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Published: Tuesday, May 21 2013 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Michigander
Westland, MI

“For we without them (our own ancestors) cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us (their descendants) be made perfect” (Doctrine and Covenants 128:18).

The above statement is incorrect. The only correct interpretation to that statement is shown below:

“For we without them (all those resurrected at Christ's ascension into heaven in 30 A.D.) cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us (all those who will be resurrected at Christ's Second Coming) be made perfect” (Heb.11:40).

?
SLC, UT

Michigander, you have an interesting perspective comparing Doctrine and Covenants 128:18 with Hebrews 11:40. I don't think the one perspective negates the other. If anything they both very well might complement each other.

The atonement of Jesus Christ and temple ordinances enable those who died without the opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ in life, to yet receive it and accept it in the world of spirits that they too might be among those who come forward in the resurrection at Jesus Christ's second coming.

Michigander
Westland, MI

Re: ? in SLC, UT

All temple ordinances are completely null and void, except for marriage and that is only until "death due the man & woman part" as Jesus and Apostle Paul both taught.

All those people of the nations of the earth who died after living a righteous life but did not have the opportunity to hear or obey the gospel of Jesus Christ as preached by one having the priesthood authority (The Church of Jesus Christ, WHQ: Monongahela, PA) will have an opportunity to do so only in the 2nd Resurrection after Christ's Millenial Reign on the earth per Revelations 20:8.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@?

"The atonement of Jesus Christ and temple ordinances enable those who died without the opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ in life, to yet receive it and accept it in the world of spirits that they too might be among those who come forward in the resurrection at Jesus Christ's second coming. "

I think the primary point of disagreement here, at least for those, like myself, who believe that dying without the opportunity to accept the gospel of Jesus Christ in life aren't automatically condemned, is the matter of why should their salvation then be dependent on someone on Earth doing something for that person?

?
SLC, UT

You're certainly welcome to a differing view, and no you don't have to agree with me.

You ask, "why should their salvation then be dependent on someone on Earth doing something for that person?"

I don't know. A similar question could be asked. Why is the salvation of those who do receive and accept the gospel of Jesus Christ in this life possibly dependent on helping another who didn't have that chance? Part of Doctrine and Covenants 128:18 does say that "we without them cannot be made perfect."

A thought comes to mind which leads to part of a scripture verse, Doctrine and Covenants 82:3, "For of him unto whom much is given much is required..."

Also, the importance of having a physical body. Those who have passed on no longer have their physical body to receive the ordinances for themselves. So, we who are living act as proxy for them. They are then able to accept or reject that ordinance done in their behalf.

Hope this helps or at least answers your question.

?
SLC, UT

Michigander, do you believe Joseph Smith, Jr was a prophet and that he saw and spoke with God, the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ? As well as saw and spoke with all the other messengers sent to him?

Michigander
Westland, MI

Re: ? in SLC, UT in answer to your questions,

We in the aforementioned Church believe that Joseph Smith was only a prophet when his prophecies and teachings agree 100% with the KJV Bible and the Book of Mormon only (these two records only are the word of God). We believe that only ONE Personage (Jesus Christ the Son of God) appeared to Joseph Smith in early spring 1820. He heard ONLY the voice of God the Eternal Father (JEHOVAH) say: "This is My Beloved Son, hear ye Him." We also firmly believe that the Angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith yearly at the same time of the year from Sep.21, 1823 thru Sep.22, 1827, with the final visits being the restoration of the priesthood after the order of the Son of God to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery on Friday May 15, 1829, and the visitation of the Angel Moroni with the gold plates to the 3 Witnesses in late June 1829.

?
SLC, UT

Thank you.

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