Published: Monday, May 20 2013 12:30 p.m. MDT
Howard Beal:I was about to address the same thing, thank you for bringing
it up.In fairness to Freeman, there probably wasn't enough space or
time to write every controversial event for each president, though I am also
surprised that he didn't mention the whole WMD fiasco with W. I think
history (and not very far into the future) will see more than just Benghazi as a
scandal for BO. He's facing 3 scandals working themselves into a full blown
monsoon at this point. His presidency has certainly been marred and he is losing
credibility by the day as he tries to decide between pleading ignorance and
incompetence or lying to the American people and lacking integrity.
Are there any liberals remaining who value truth? Obama and his vice president
and secretary of state and their spokespeople lied to the American people about
the nature and cause of the the terrorist attack at Benghazi. They lied when
they said they were only repeating what the intelligence community had told
them. They lied when they said they had made only one stylistic change from
those written assessments.Are there any liberals remaining who value
freedom of the press? Obama's Justice Department secretly seized months of
phone records from the offices and private phones of AP news writers and
editors. This intrusion was both massive and unprecedented.Are there
any liberals remaining who value equality before the law? Obama's Internal
Revenue Service targeted tea party groups and other conservatives for abuse in
their applications for tax-exempt status. These abuses were widespread. Top
officials knew about them years ago.Are there any liberal remaining
who even recognize the party they belong to?Speak up, folks.
Liberalism is getting a very bad name.
5,000 dead Americans, 75,000 wounded,$2 Trillion in unfunded debt,
for a war based on imaginary Weapons of Mass Destruction....and the resignation of 11 Federal judges and Karl Rove gets the top billing
for the controversies during the GWBush administration.
Just because the GOP wants Benghazi to be a scandal does not make it one. The
actual white house emails with regard to the talking points refute the GOP
versions and interpretation of the content of the emails. No smoking gun has
"secretly seized months of phone records from the offices and private phones
of AP news writers and editors"Do you value truth Nate?Kind of hard to say they "secretly seized" phone records "its
prosecutors followed federal regulations by first seeking the information
through other means before subpoenaing media phone records"Would
you call that "secret"?
@JoeBlow "Would you call that 'secret'?"Yes, and
I'm not the only one."DOJ's secret subpoena of AP
phone records broader than initially revealed", by Michael Isikoff"The Justice Department’s secret subpoena for AP phone records
included the seizure of records for five reporters' cellphones and three
home phones as well as two fax lines, a lawyer for the news organization tells
NBC News...."Schultz confirmed that the subpoenas for the phone
records were secretly issued to Verizon, which turned them over to the Justice
Department without any initial notice to AP.""AP President
and CEO Gary Pruitt said the secret subpoenas were 'so sweeping, so
secretively, so abusively and harassingly … overbroad, that it constitutes
… an unconstitutional act.'....
"secret subpoena"Isnt that a bit of an oxymoron?You cant get a subpoena without a judge knowing about it.Whether
you or I agree with what has happened, so far, it looks like nothing illegal has
happened.I guess time will tell.I fully support an
investigation, but I hope to see the truth.Many just want to may
@JoeBlow "You cant get a subpoena without a judge knowing about it."The Justice Department themselves issued the subpoenas."...so far, it looks like nothing illegal has happened."Nothing big, just the First Amendment.Seriously...what happened to
what we used to call liberal values?
"Nothing big, just the First Amendment."You may be right. I
will wait to see.Certainly there will be hearing and
investigations.I guess you don't need to wait for those.
"Your cause is just, but I can do nothing for you; if I take up for you, I
shall lose the vote of Missouri."______________________________Please, Deseret News. Even if Van Buren said that to Joseph Smith (which
I doubt he did), that’s hardly a scandal.I find far more
scandalous the Van Buren Administration decision to return to the
Amistad’s slave traders the kidnapped slaves who freed themselves from
their captors at sea.
@ronnie "The actual white house emails with regard to the talking points
refute the GOP versions and interpretation of the content of the emails."Actually, they don't. The actual White House emails establish that
--1) References to al-Qaeda and terrorism were removed from the
talking points originally provided by the intelligence community.2)
The were removed after being objected to by Victoria Nuland, spokesperson for
the State Department. Her specific objection was that they “could be
abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying
attention to warnings….”3) The intelligence talking
points never, at any time, made mention of a YouTube video.The
differences you have mentioned between reported versions of the talking points
and actual emails, are attributable to the fact that the former came from
handwritten notes, made when the White House was stonewalling the release of the
emails. The claim that the quotes were 'doctored' was given three
Pinocchios by Glenn Kessler, fact checker at the Washington Post.@JoeBlow "I will wait and see."Yes, we will all watch the
White House's ever-changing story.
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