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Published: Friday, May 17 2013 8:50 a.m. MDT

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DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

An "off" year in 1982, in which BYU finish 8-4 and unranked, was highlighted by a close 14-17 road loss to Hershel Walker's #4/#4 Georgia(11-1) team.

BYU started 1983 with a close 36-40 loss at Baylor(7-4-1), before reeling off 11 straight wins, including road wins over #13/#15 Air Force(10-2) and #17/#13 UCLA(7-4-1), and a Holiday Bowl over Missouri in which Steve Young CAUGHT the winning TD. BYU finished the season 11-1 ranked #7/#7, setting up BYU's 1984 National Championship season.

From 1979 to 1983, BYU was 53-9(86%), with FOUR Top 12 Finishes.

1979 11-1 #13/#12
1980 12-1 #12/#12
1981 11-2 #13/#11
1982 8-4 unranked
1983 11-1 #7/#7

It's easy to see why the pollsters were willing to give BYU 1984 the benefit of the doubt for playing a less than stellar schedule in 1984.

BYU had already established their street cred and finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak, completing the FIFTH Top 12 finish in six years.

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

Correction, it was Indiana that was ranked #19/#16 in 1979 and SMU that was ranked #20/#20 in 1980.

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

DeepBlue

Street cred!

Love it!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gored

What case are you closing? Is it the case that BYU was found to be worthy and utah was found to be lacking by pretty much the exact same groups of people? In that case I agree with you. Thanks for your honesty.

lanius
Woods Cross, UT

Did a coug fan on the previous page really say that "head to head results are overrated?

Awesome!

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

lanius

"Did a Coug fan on the previous page really say that "head to head results are overrated?"

Which team was better in 2003, Texas A&M(4-8) or Utah(10-2)?

Which team was better in 2005, No Carolina(5-6) or Utah(7-5)?

Which team was better in 2006, UNLV(2-10) or Utah(8-5)?

Which team was better in 2011, Colorado(3-10) or Utah(8-5)?

Which team was better in 2012, BYU(8-5) or Utah St(11-2)?

Answer each question honestly and you'll have your answer why head-to-head results are often over-rated in determining which team is better.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

DeepBlue

Nice summary!

Doubtful it will change any of the biased opinions on the hill, but maybe they'll gain a smidgen of understanding of how a WAC team with a mediocre schedule could earn enough respect from all five national selecting organizations to be selected the Consensus 1984 National Champion.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

It should be noted byu played ND minus their QB and UTAH played against USC w/Carson Palmer, GT did not and had roughly 1 month to prepare for USC, minus CP.

Also, byu has gotten USU the last two years at home....We all know what happened during their previous visit up there to Logan.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

Athlon Magazine recently named BYU's 1979 through 1985 era as one of

College Football's Top 25 Greatest Dynasties of the AP Era

25. BYU Cougars (1979-85): 77-12
LaVell Edward’s high-flying, revolutionary offense rolled through opponents until the pollsters finally awarded BYU with the 1984 national championship.

1979 11-1 #13/#12 WAC champion
1980 12-1 #12/#12 WAC champion
1981 11-2 #13/#11 WAC champion
1982 8-4 unranked WAC champion
1983 11-1 #7/#7 WAC champion
1984 13-0 #1/#1 WAC champion, National champion
1985 11-3 #16/#17 WAC champion

Total 77-12(87%) 7 straight conference championships, 1 national championship

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

AZUTE1

It should be noted that the Utes are always full of whiny excuses every time the Utes lose or the Cougars win.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

AZUTE1

I seem to recall BYU's starting QB Riley Nelson suffering a cracked spine against Weber St in the 2nd game of the season, but that couldn't possibly have affected the outcome of BYU's close road losses at Utah(by 3), at #16 Boise State(by 1), at #3 Notre Dame(by 3), or at #21 San Jose St(by 6), now could it?

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

That Era back then was ripe full of weak schedules, annually....LOL

Nah, 3 straight victories for us, 4 of 5, 8 of 11 and the overall record by miles, 56-34-4....Owned.

u25
West Jordan, UT

y fans are delusional and its an embarrassment to an organization saying head to head doesnt matter, If your team is not capeable of beating another team. Utah has domininated this series for the last decade. Utah would be 10-0 if not for 3 meraculous plays at the end in those losses.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Please. UTAH had more than a handful of key-starters out early in the season, including both of our starting safeties, JWIV, etc.

Our game last year was hardly a close game in its truest sense....Up 24-7 in the 4th quarter before a series of unforced mental-errors on our part, enabling 1 byu TD [Punt-Team] and extending their drive in order to produce the freak-show at its conclusion [w/our two FR ALL-America safties sitting the game out, byu rec is vacuously allowed behind them, which our starters would never have allowed to happen]....It was only justice that the DOINK ended the game.

I still chuckle over Star forcing the high-snap, which ML turned into a TD, merely by lining-up over center and causing the byu center to panic out of fear and botch it....Now that's a perfect illustration of a forced-error.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Utefanz:

"Utah beat three top 25 teams, BYU, TCU, and Alabama."

Correction: Utah beat FOUR Top-25 teams. You forgot about #18 Oregon St.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

I still question why some BYU fans on this board appear so obsessed with the opinions of Utah fans.

So far Snack Pac is the only one who has answered the question. Really, BYU fans who continue to comment on here, I would like to know why you are so concerned with the opinions of Utah fans, and the goings on of the Utah sports programs.

So please, enlighten me.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

AZUTE1

Utah fans are always "ripe full" of whiny excuses why Utah has never even come close to matching BYU's national accomplishments.

Naval Vet

The exact same pollsters who ranked OSU #18/#19, TCU #7/#7, BYU #25/#21, and Alabama #6/#6...

ranked 2008 Utah #2/#4.

The exact same pollsters who ranked Washington #2/#2, Florida #3/#6, Nebraska #4/#3, and Oklahoma #6/#6...

ranked 1984 BYU #1/#1

Live with it!!!

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

AZUTE1

LOL at your selective memory.

At 7:27 in the 3rd Q, BYU had the ball at Utah's 25 and was driving to tie or take the lead when an errant snap led to Mo Lee's scoop and score. Six minutes later, an 18-yard punt return and 39-yard scoring bomb gave Utah a brief 7-24 lead.

2:14 later, BYU completed a 75-yard drive to cut Utah's lead to 14-24.

After a couple of possession exchanges, BYU drove to Utah's 39, before punting to pin the Utes at their own 11. After stuffing the Utes on 4th down, BYU took possession at Utah's 20 and quickly scored to cut Utah's lead to 21-24 with 3:39 left in the game.

After forcing another punt, BYU took possession at their own 8 with 1:11 left. BYU drove to the Utah 19, where BYU's 36-yard FG attempt bounced off the left upright allowing the Utes to escape with a narrow 3-point win.

Utah's longest scoring drive was only 39 yards.

First Downs
BYU 25
Utah 14

Rushing
BYU 106
Utah 49

Passing
BYU 206
Utah 196

Total
BYU 312
Utah 245

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

u25

"Y fans are delusional and its an embarrassment to an organization saying head to head doesnt matter"

Y fans never said head-to-head doesn't matter; Y fans said head-to-head isn't the only criteria for determining which team is better.

If you answered these questions honestly, then you know that to be true:

Which team was better in 2003, Texas A&M(4-8) or Utah(10-2)?

Which team was better in 2005, No Carolina(5-6) or Utah(7-5)?

Which team was better in 2006, UNLV(2-10) or Utah(8-5)?

Which team was better in 2011, Colorado(3-10) or Utah(8-5)?

Which team was better in 2012, BYU(8-5) or Utah St(11-2)?

It's obvious to any objective observer that overall records and season-ending rankings carry much more weight than individual head-to-head games.

GO_COUGARS!
Provo, UT

"If strength of schedule had mattered as much in 1984, BYU would not have been voted the national champions." -Sports Illustrated

"By today's standards, there's no question we wouldn't have been number 1. There would have been four teams higher than us in the polls."
-ROBBIE BOSCOE

BYU was barely squeaking past teams on the third worst schedule in the country. They are the only team to be voted #1 without ever beating a single good team, and they played the worst bowl opponent a "champ" has ever faced. It was a joke.

This is why byu "fans" will always feel a need to come onto Ute threads and defend their SHAMpionship.

LOL

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