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Published: Friday, May 17 2013 8:50 a.m. MDT

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ekute
Layton, UT

@Roger Jolly

I think you're right, same old "pathetic argument"

I'll just leave it at that. Go Utes.

davidutefan
Evanston, WY

@Tajemnica, Yep, USC, the best team money can buy. Could they have done the things they have done without the cheating?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

@ekute
You mean the same "pathetic argument" that utes make about being in the PAC 12 and having recent success against the cougars somehow equating to being bigger and better? Enough of the little brother BS, there is nothing little about BYU in comparison to Utah. Bigger stadium, bigger fanbase, more national success in awards and trophies and conference championships. Grats to the utes on their recent success against BYU but that in no way makes U bigger or better. As I've said BYU has had their string of successes against Utah also. 2006-09 was 3/4 for BYU...not that long ago. And Jolly...I said Utah's teams were awesome in 2004 and 2008. I actually picked Utah to beat Alabama in the sugar bowl. It doesn't make a lot of sense to make your accusations when u don't even know me. I actually want Utah to be successful, and have many friends and family that are ute fans. I give them their credit when it's do. Try and do the same for BYU.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Polynesian players go to Utah because of exposure to more scouts. The Utah schedule (compared to BYU´s for the ease of the cougar come-backs to this post that inevitably come) is incredible:

4 probable top 25 teams in Oregon (projected no.3), Stanford (projected no. 4), USC, and Oregon State.

5 possible top 25 teams in Utah State, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State and BYU

and three others: Weber State, Colorado, Washington State

FOr the trolls wanting to compare, BYU also has 4 probable top 25 teams, but none projected to be in top 10 (Texas, Notre Dame who finished 4th last year, Boise State and probably someone else other than Middle Tennessee State)

It is no wonder the utes have so many players in the NFL, especially the polynesian players.

GO UTES!!

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

wwookie

"The Utah schedule (compared to BYU´s for the ease of the Cougar come-backs to this post that inevitably come) is incredible..."

As we all know, pre-season rankings are MEANINGLESS!

USC was a pre-season favorite to win the NC in 2012, and didn't even come close to finishing in the Top 25, while unheralded Utah State and San Jose State both finished in the Top 25.

BYU played FIVE teams that FINISHED in the Top 25 in 2012, including one of the two teams that played in the NC game.

Utah only played TWO.

BYU finished #26 in Sagarin. Utah only finished #61.

It's laughable that all of those Ute NFL players, including Star, couldn't even get the Utes into a bowl game last year.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Despite the crimson colored bubble that the kids on the live under, the reality is this:

Since Utah's 2008 high water mark, the Utes have been in steady decline, finishing with worse records and lower rankings than BYU in the three out four seasons.

2009 #12/#12/#15 BYU(11-2) > #18/#18/#24 Utah(10-3)
2010 unranked/#45 BYU(7-6) < UR/#23/#26 Utah(10-3)
2011 UR/#25/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)

The kids on the hill desperately cling to their head-to-head wins versus BYU because that's the only thing the Utes have going for them since joining the PAC.

The Utes aren't even good enough to play in a bowl game anymore.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

gored

"If your team had played the same schedule that the University of Utah played these last two years, they would have been lucky to have gone 4-8."

Utah fans are prone to hyperbole when they have absolutely no evidence to back up their wild claims.

Here are a couple of indisputable facts that refute your assertion:

-- Unlike Utah, BYU wasn't kept out of a bowl game last season because the Cougars couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule

-- Unlike Kyle (who has lost to two), Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team like Utah lost to in 2011 that denied the Utes a gift-wrapped PAC South title.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

JollyRoger

"Utah has been playing a "BCS" schedule for two years now."

And proving that they're in over their heads:

7-11 in football
8-28 in basketball
15-39 overall (28%) in the PAC in the two big boy sports

It's laughable the Utah fans keep beating their chests about their PAC 12 membership as validation of Utah's athletic excellence, when the evidence is overwhelming that Utah's athletic prowess had very little, if anything, to do with Utah's invite to the PAC 12.

We all know why BYU wasn't invited to the PAC 12 or Big 12, and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of BYU's athletic programs, which dwarf Utah's programs, by comparison.

In the 20-year history of the Director's Cup, which recognizes overall athletic excellence across all men's and women's sports, BYU has finished ahead of Utah 20 out of 20 times.

Current Director's Cup standings as of April 25, 2013

#45 BYU 308.00 points
#63 Utah 228.75 points

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Why do you BYU fans who post on these Utah articles care so much about what Utah fans say on this board anyway?

So many of you have Duckhunteritis. It appears that there is a visceral need for you to type til your blue in the face, trying to convince us of your reality. Why is it such a big deal to you?

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Very nice article Dan. Congratulations to you and the Deseret News for your insight.

I just love how a good Utah story like this, that has nothing to do with byU, sends the jealous byU faithful, and it's trollers, into a tizzy. Pure entertainment!!

Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

pocyUte

"Why do you BYU fans who post on these Utah articles care so much about what Utah fans say on this board anyway?"

Sounds like the kind of argument someone makes when they realize that they're losing the real argument.

We're just trying to help our young friends understand a very simple concept; that the way to win a national championship is to win enough games and play well enough to convince a majority of poll voters that you're more deserving of being named national champion than any other team.

That's what BYU did in 1984 and what Utah failed to do in 2008.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Hey Dan - can you do something about getting an article about Singleton on this site? I mean, if an unrated LB who commits to little brother can get an article, why not a big, 3 star speedster WR?

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

VegasUte

"I just love how a good Utah story like this, that has nothing to do with byU, sends the jealous byU faithful, and it's trollers, into a tizzy."

I just love how you're so blinded by your crimson glasses that you didn't notice that the very first comment on this article was made by a Ute fan taking a dig at the Cougars.

Chris B: "Its now to the point where Utah can decide who we want and then USU and BYU fight for the leftovers. Utah has won the recruiting battle 4 years straight."

If you're going to whine about BYU fans commenting on a "Utah article", at least show some consistency in calling out your fellow Ute fans.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

byU should change it's mascot to a top - that's all their fans do is spin!!

Reality - check it out in Websters!!

Go Utes!! Go Crimson!!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Interesting that you comment on convincing voters, rather than actually earning it on the field-of-play.

byu played the 3rd weakest schedule in the nation in '84, yet was awarded for it with a "MYTHICAL" NC. Hysterical, actually. Particularly with them greatly benefiting from beating a grossly overrated PITT team, thus vaulting them out of nowhere up there to near the Top-10 [#12, if I remember correctly] in the rankings.

PITT concluded the season at 3-7-1, bowl-less and UNRANKED. Everybody knows byu couldn't have done it without such a fluke-occurrence taking place and, obviously, the voters couldn't undo their obvious error in ranking PITT so high, to begin with.

BTW, did you see what OU did to PITT on the same, exact field just 2 weeks later? Unlike byu, in struggling to barely beat PITT, OU complete obliterated them. Good times.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

sports fan

You say "Utah fans are prone to hyperbole when they have absolutely no evidence to back up their wild claims." Really? Utah went 5-7 against BCS competition, including a win over BYU. It would logically follow that BYU would be lucky to go 4-8 if they had played Utah's schedule. Their offense struggled last year more so than Utah's did.

You go on to say "Unlike Utah, BYU wasn't kept out of a bowl game last season because the Cougars couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule." What you failed to say is that BYU received a bowl bid because they padded their schedule with awful WAC-type teams such as Hawaii, Weber State, Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. If BYU had played Utah's schedule with only one easy game (Northern Colorado), yes, BYU would have been lucky to go 4-8. 3-9 would have been more likely.

(continued)

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

sports fan (continued)

As for your last statement “Unlike Kyle (who has lost to two), Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team like Utah lost to in 2011 that denied the Utes a gift-wrapped PAC South title.” Again, this is misleading, since in 2011 Utah was adjusting to a BCS schedule of USC, Arizona State, Washington, and UCLA while BYU was playing such “powerhouses” as Idaho, Hawaii, Idaho State, and New Mexico State. Kyle would have killed those teams. Yes, losing to Colorado was disappointing, but their lack of depth in the first year of the PAC 12 was challenging. BYU would have been lucky to have gone 2-10. Remember, Utah humiliated BYU 54-10 IN PROVO.

snack pac

If you have followed college football over the past 40 years, you would know that BYU backed into the “national championship”. They only beat one ranked team, and barely beat a 6-6 Michigan team by 7 points. Utah, on the other hand, beat four ranked teams, including former #1 Alabama. But the BCS schools had already changed the rules, and non-BCS Utah was not allowed the national championship.

U 90
Corona, CA

@mussingaround "BYU played FIVE teams that FINISHED in the Top 25 in 2012.

That's really neat, but BYU lost to all of those teams. BYU racked up their wins against weak competition... Idaho, Idaho State, Weber, New Mexico State etc. Their SOS was 63 which paved the way to a low level bowl. If you claim otherwise, you're kidding yourself.

U 90
Corona, CA

@Snack "That's what BYU did in 1984 and what Utah failed to do in 2008"

What Utah did in 2008 was beat 4 ranked teams including the team that spent the majority of the season at #1. What BYU did in 1984 was achieve their signature win against 8-4 Air Force or 6-6 Michigan... you pick. BYU won an NC, however Utah put together a much more impressive body of work. Has BYU ever beaten more that one team that finished the season ranked?

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

AZUTE1

"Interesting that you comment on convincing voters, rather than actually earning it on the field-of-play."

LOL at your illogic. BYU did earn it on the field by beating every team they faced.

How do you know BYU played the third weakest schedule? How do you know that Michigan(6-6) wasn't a Top 25 team and that Air Force wasn't a Top 10 team?

#1/#1 BYU(13-0) was undefeated and BEAT #24 Air Force(8-4) on the road 30-25

#2/#2 Washington(11-1) LOST to USC(9-3) 7-16, which LOST to UCLA 10-29, which was destroyed by Nebraska 3-42, and Washington only beat Michigan(6-6) 20-11, the same Michigan team that BYU beat in the Holiday Bowl 24-17

#3/#7 Florida(9-1-1) LOST to Miami(8-5) 20-32, and was ineligible to play in a bowl

#4/#3 Nebraska(10-2) LOST to Syracuse(6-5) 9-17

#6/#6 Oklahoma LOST to Kansas(5-6) 11-28

Michigan BEAT Miami(8-5) 22-14

Both Washington and Nebraska were invited to play BYU, but turned down the invitation.

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