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Published: Friday, May 17 2013 8:50 a.m. MDT

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gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Tajemnica

Although your numbers are accurate, they are subjective relative to promoting the blue as being superior. The argument is understandable when representing BYU though.

From the time when Bronco and Kyle took over as head coaches (same time) until 2010 when Utah went to the PAC and BYU independence, Utah had one more win than BYU in that span. That is pretty equal given the more comparable schedules. Utah did lose the occasional game to inferior competition but made up for it with more non conference wins. The head to head did not favor Utah up until that point though because although Kyle leads the series 5-3 because when the break off took place in 2010 it was 3-3 (even between the coaches).

Anyway, I believe Bronco leads by 3.5 games overall now at this point and Bronco made up 4.5 games since Kyle had the one game edge as of 2010. Obviously the PAC 12 is the major factor there. I don't think Utah is worse now but plays tougher games week in and week out.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

It's true Bronco has 5 ten win season to Kyle's 3, but it was a 4 to 3 edge for Bronco when the schedules were comparable before the change in direction for both programs in 2010. But including the 5th 10 win season for BYU against Utah isn't fair as I see it because in 2011 Utah wasn't going to win 10 games that first year in the PAC regardless. Utah beat BYU 54-10 that year and finished 8-5. Again BYU was 10-3 but when they were 6-3, they finished the season (November) with games against Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa. So yeah, BYU won 10 games that year but it is my opinion that Utah had the better year at 8-5 in the PAC in 2011. Don't forget head to head either (convincing outcome there). I mentioned the Idaho game, but before the last 4 games, BYU also played Idaho State as well. That was the weakest schedule BYU has ever had. If I were a Cougar fan, I would be excited for the upcoming schedule this year though.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

Now I have given Bronco credit where I objectively see it, and I think Bronco has done more with less than Kyle ever has. He coaches under unique circumstances. But I think some of your stats are not showing the complete picture.

Yes Utah is 7-11 in the PAC so far but I don't think Utah is any worse than before. They are feeling the effects of a week in and week out grind (depth wise now). From 2000 to 2010 (ten years), Utah had a better record with more wins against BCS schools than any other so called mid major or non BCS team in the country. Yes, it's true. Utah had more wins against BCS teams in that span than BYU, Boise State, TCU, and all other non BCS schools prior to 2010. If Utah hasn't gotten worse, but now is losing the majority of these games, it makes sense that it has much to do with playing tougher teams each week. Even the weak PAC schools have bigger and stronger athletes in the war of attrition that football is health wise. The MWC days allowed for more physical recovery and peaking for the bigger programs.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"BYU has as big of a national significance as my Oregon Ducks."

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!.... good one

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Hey Chris B
Is your team going to win the conference this year, or maybe next year or how about anytime soon? The truthful answer is no and you know it. The question is how long will good players go to somewhere they can't win and the answer s not very long. I would love for the Utes to make a run at a title but that is not why they were invited. Utah and Colorado were simply invited for the numbers of Tv's each state could bring to the table for the new contract.

xert
Santa Monica, CA

This is not only great for Utah, but for the state of Utah. For BYU, Utah State and Weber to be able to fight it out for the second tier Poly players--when they might choose to stay closer to home and go to Hawaii, San Diego State, Cal Davis, or Cal Lutheran--is a real feather in the cap of those programs. But BCS is BCS and the Pac 12 is the Pac 12. I only hope these players can help us compete in real football!

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

My bad, i meant "OU", not "UO".

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

high school fan: "Is your team going to win the conference this year, or maybe next year or how about anytime soon? The truthful answer is no and you know it. The question is how long will good players go to somewhere they can't win and the answer s not very long."

Until I got to the end of your post, I thought you were talking about byu. lol. For a fan base that has been sold a bill of good on independence, byu fans are incredibly obsessed with conferences. Get into a big boy conference (or even the MWC) and then you can talk. We all know that won't happen...ever.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@azute1

"I'll give byu this much, they have the market cornered on PRE-season/MYTHICAL accolades, hands-down."

Kinda sounds like a bottom feeder program that brags about their recruiting but then churns out losing conference seasons. Bragging before it actually happens is rampant on the hill.

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CO Ute
PARKER, CO

Utah has done a really good job in developing this pipeline and continues to add great Poly kids to the program year after year. Coach Mac saw the opportunity years ago and Coach Whit has kept the same philosophy. This gives Utah a big recruiting advantage over a lot of schools.

For a number of the posters below ... I didn't see anything in this article about a team from Provo or a team from LA. Funny how some posters have a one track mind and are so insecure they need to post something about 'their' football team on every Ute article.

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@LaMont Levi Hansen

Thank you for the humorous post. (At least, I hope you meant it as the humorous post that it came off as.)

@duckhunter

If your team had played the same schedule that the University of Utah played these last two years, they would have been lucky to have gone 4-8. A more realistic projection for your team would have been 3-9. Utah has not had the luxury of playing Idaho, Idaho State, San Diego State, Hawaii, Weber State, and New Mexico State on a consistent basis like your team has.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@gored

Bragging about your schedule, while also whining about your schedule, is a lot like bragging about how great your recruiting is, while losing the majority of your games.

LOL!

ekute
Layton, UT

Hey duck,

I'm bragging about Utah vs byu in head to head rivalry football!
What say you?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@ekute

Of course you are, it is literally the only thing you have to "brag" about and even that is pretty slim stuff. But go with what you got.

ekute
Layton, UT

The rivalry is as strong as it has ever been and football is the most important part of it, and we Ute fans own the bragging rights, all time and for the last 25 years.

You're lying to yourself if you attempt to minimize the rivalry or the importance of football to it.

What say you?

ekute
Layton, UT

btw, it is not literally the only thing we have to brag about nor is it pretty slim stuff.

Slim is lower tier-bowl smack, stadium size smack and tax dollar smack.

byu fans have nothing that Ute fans want but apparently(Slim smack under Utah articles) there is a degree of jealousy on our little brothers side of the fence.

Roger Jolly
Maricopa, AZ

Hmm... can't really understand how Cougar fans could masquerade as USC and Oregon fans. It must be a real let down for Cougar fans that teams like Utah and TCU have joined the 'Power Conferences'. Even Maryland and Rutger (who have played in a total of eight bowl games) get invited into the B1G.

Being a legacy, national brand must be hard that nobody is even calling. I know BYU is exactly where they want to be, begging for a game i.e. playing Notre Dame in their house twice, but come on. Really? Seen on College Football Live that Notre Dame should wax BYU. It does nothing for them as strength of schedule. Sounds familiar, does nothing for Utah either.

I heard once that this year's Cougar schedule is 'like' a BCS schedule. Welcome to the club, Utan has been playing a "BCS" schedule for two years now.

Think whatever you want but you Cougar fans are the one's looking in...

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Ekute:
LOL, ya BYU fans are so jealous of Utah's 5-7 record and lack of any victories over winning PAC 12 teams. We are also jealous of your trophy case which contains 2 BCS bowls (Grats) and little else. We are jealous of your tv deal which didn't allow people with directtv to see half your games, let alone on national tv. Why WOULD Utah want anything BYU has...they've never embraced a winning tradition so why would they want one now? Utah's two years of great success are nice but I think I'll stick with finishing in the top 25 three times as much as Utah, having a trophy case full if awards including 6 CFB HoF inductees to Utah's zero, bigger and better facilities than Utah, national exposure from espn over Utah's ROOT PAC network local tv...wait what was I supposed to be jealous of again?

Roger Jolly
Maricopa, AZ

...And Cougsndawgs hates Utah. Do we as Utah fan want to acknowledge this kid. Let him put out his pathetic argument. He will never say Utah has a good team. People like this are trolls and I wonder if real Cougar fans even claim him as a real BYU FAN?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Actually I don't hate Utah at all, just disagree with their fans sometimes. Same way you disagree with BYU fans, Jolly. It's all in good fun, I don't take it too seriously and neither should U.

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