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Published: Friday, May 17 2013 7:00 a.m. MDT

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Salt Lake City, UT

How can you possibly dispute which tournament crowned the true national champion when Varsity Cup teams have won 31 out of 33 national championships?

Salt Lake City, UT

Are we seriously going to question if Life or St. Mary's has a legitimate chance of competing against either of these schools who played in the "championship?" Skill, not naming rights, determine who the true champion is.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Sounds a lot like 1984


Orem, UT


"How can you possibly dispute which tournament crowned the true national champion when Varsity Cup teams have won 31 out of 33 national championships?"

Make that 32 out of 34 national championships for Varsity Cup teams.

With the Varsity Cup looking to grow - Texas and Utah are already in the mix for next season - it sounds like do or die time for USA Rugby to do whatever it takes to draw Varsity Cup teams back into the USAR tourney, or USAR could lose all of its Division 1A teams to the Varsity Cup.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Cortez is well spoken, but it doesn't sound like a good business move to take a direct shot at one of the historically top two teams in the sport after you've already lost the other top (two) team.

Hate to see anyone jump out of the "all for one and one for all" financial model of team sports, but its bound to happen when you have individuals and teams already sacrificing so much for love of the game. You can only milk the cash cows so long.

Holladay, UT

This is just USA Rugby trying to discredit them because they are upset their cash cow has left. And Cortez is the director? He was the head coach of Wyoming, which would routinely get beat by 80 points by either of these teams. Jealous much?

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

BYU and Cal would wipe the floor with either of the 2 finalist in the "National Championship" game. In fact I bet most of the 8 would do well if not beat the final 2 teams. The 5 year rule was a shot at BYU and they knew it when they made the rule. What did they expect BYU to do? If you have not noticed BYU will not roll over and die. Whenever they are faced with not fair rules they push back hard. I remember when the Feds tried to get them to coed all dorms. Yeah that went over well. Football? Yeah we rolled over dead there too.

I think the USA Rugby will cave. Now that most of the better teams and most of the high profile universities are gone if they want them back they better listen to what they have to say. If not then we keep on doing what we are doing. There is no question in anybodys mind that BYU and Cal were and are the best 2 teams in the College Rugby.

Healthy Skeptic
Saratoga Springs, UT

LOL...and yet we consistenly refer to the winners of the MLB championship as the "World Champions". We even call it the "World Series". We call the NBA champions and the NFL champions the "World Champions". This is all a bunch of hoopla over nothing. Next thing you know, the Jets from the lowly AFL are gonna claim they can beat the Colts from the mighty NFL.

West Valley, Utah

@Christine. May sound like 1984 but remind me again how many national championship trophies in football utah has?

Go Trojans!

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

Well I don't know much about Rugby and now not a National Champion? Double Wammy, but at least BYU did beat Cal the second time. Still a well done game. Anyone one know where to watch this Rugby 101 or "Rugby for Dummies"? Sure I could live in New Zeland or England to learn Rugby.

Lindon, UT

Sounds like the BCS of Rugby. BYU 1 USAR/Cortez 0. Go Cougars!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Chris, so glad you finally get it! Both 1984 and 2013 are National Champions, recognized by all except those few with chips on their shoulders.

Thanks for coming round~!

Elk Grove, CA

I would say that BYU, Cal, and the other top rugby teams should form their own conference or league, make it permanent, and leave USA Rugby in the dust. It's obvious that Cortez has it out for BYU just like many University of Wyoming folks. Let USA Rugby flounder and then disappear. Saint Mary's and "Life" University wouldn't stand a chance against any of the Varsity Cup Eight Teams.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

You're right, Chris B. This championship is just as mythical as the 1984 championship. Just go take a look at the trophy and see just how "mythical" it is!

Sandy, UT

Why would christy be questioning the legitimacy of a national championship that the Utes could be in line to win next year?

Seems that in her haste to bash BYU, she stomped all over her own future prospects.

IRS Agent

@ Chris B

So now you are discrediting the Rugby NC that was won by a team from the same league that Utah plays in? I believe you have just exposed the true rationale behind all of your posts regarding BYU.

Don't look now, but I believe your jealousy is showing ;).

St Louis, MO

Yes, 1984's NC was a "mythical" NC. So was 1985's, 1986's, 1987's . . etc etc up through 2013. Without any sort of workable playoff, every NC is make-believe. When votes go a long way to determining who a sport's champ is, it's illegitimate.

Chris LOL's about a lot of stuff that just doesn't seem that amusing. Dude, were really laughing out loud when you typed up your post? Through overuse you're diluting the impact of a well-placed "LOL."

Enid, OK

Article quote: "I applaud their efforts, but the Varsity Cup is an invitational. The (USA Rugby) national championship is the one you earn your way into,” USA Rugby Collegiate Director Rich Cortez said. “What BYU won against Cal was a mythical championship.”


Good grief!, that positively reeks of snootiness.

So a team that competed in 6 straight championships (BYU) has to abide by a rule that..

1) limits the time an athlete can play it by the number of years they graduate after high school (What college sport does that??? Answer: none of the others.)

2) allows for ONE year leaves of absence, when LDS missionaries need 2 years for mission.

No, the Rugby USA Collegiate guys don't have it out for BYU at aaaaall. (end sarcasm)

Orem, UT

Chris B

Since EVERY AP National Champion has been determined in exactly the same way, by finishing #1 in the final poll of a nation-wide panel of sportswriters, EVERY national champion from 1936 to 2012, at least according to your theory, is a nothing more than a "mythical" national champion.

This of course makes Utah's 2004 and 2008 teams "mythical" #4 and #2 teams, and of course makes every Utah win over a Top 25 team a win over a "mythical" Top 25 team.

Sorry bro, but you can't have it both ways.

Either you have to recognize BYU's 1984 National Championship as being just as legitimate as any other national championship, or you have to label every national champion as illegitimate.

Orem, UT

Looks like USA Rugby did the equivalent of forcing the SEC out of the major college football playoffs.

Sorry, but you don't kick Alabama, LSU, and Florida to the curb and then try to claim that your tournament still determines the "real" national champion.

Every real rugby fan knows that the two best teams in the country played in the Varsity Cup championship match and that match determined the real national champion.

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