Where did the attendance figure of 300 come from?
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the stadium, the USA Rugby
O-nion's fearless leader of collegiate rugby strikes, AGAIN!!! Why NC?The upside: NC is a great location, with good food, and
wonderful people.The downside: Um... Did anyone check to see if anyone in
NC was interested in attending a rugby match?Here's the math,
as it relates to the 320 in attendance at Nationals:15 players on
the field, per team = 30Teams typically fly 30 players, including
sub's = add 30 Running Total = 60 playersAverage
number of family members attending, per player = 2Total family attending
(2 x 60) = 120 Running Total = 180Average number of Alumni
attending = 4040 x 2 Institutions = 80 Grand Total = 260320 in attendance - 260 = 60NC Locals attending = 60
Well said IRS Agent.... Perhaps he will use the temporary absence of Utah from
competitions as reasoning behind such nefarious rubbish.... Blue Coug, Every
champion since the corruption of the BCS inception has been mythical... At least
in any season where more than 1 undefeated team remained... And I don't
know about crowning a champion when the competition came from the same
conference with the head to head for the season being a split... Of course this
year it was nice as it was a S W E E P ! ! !One team even had their championship
taken away due to cheating.... Yet, no award to the 'loser' to make
that season have a champion.... I think the playoff system is closer than in a
long long time... But if two teams from the same conference ever meet up in it,
it will instantaneously lose all credibility and be no remedy at all. :) In the
end, in college football... ROLL TIDE!
Because past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior, I suggest that
it's time for Cortez-- and his 'Cowboy cronies’ in the USA Rugby
O-nion Field-- to dismount from their trusty steeds. Let’s leave these
old horses, behind. Like rugby rules and regulations that were adjusted to
speed up the game (e.g lifting in the line-out), the USA Rugby O-nion needs to
adjust; put the old horses out to pasture; replace them with new Chevy trucks;
and quickly move into the future. This will be difficult to do, and will take
considerable time and resources. Gratefully, while we wait, the new
Chevy’s can help carry away the large quantities of “Steer
Manure” the O-nion Field continues to produce. Until then, this
strain of “O-nion” will always make me cry!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, this M.O. of the leading Collegiate O-nion Exec., is typical.
Much like him, the teams he coached in Wyoming were always FULL-- as in, FULL of
bluster prior to the game; FULL of 'bull' during the game; and FULL of
excuses because of the constant losing, they became accustomed to, when playing
solid, well trained rugby teams. (I guess, if you can't beat 'em on
the field, you gotta beat 'em with O-nion policies, right?)Three "chairs" (purposely misspelled) to the USA Rugby O-nion. Why?
For selecting a leader for collegiate rugby, who doesn't understand
'player development', but has healthy respect for—and membership
in—the Good-Ol'- Boy O-nion Field network. (Way to grow the program,
USA Rugby O-nion! We all wanna follow you because we know you can deliver...
Not!!! And, we all wanna 'click' on your Homepage, and donate more
resources so we can enjoy more of the fantastic leadership you provide…
Also, we cannot forget the all important 'marketing' and 'spin
doctoring' that O-nion Exec’s need to provide for their Collegiate
National Championship. Unfortunately, upon closer examination, the
"spin" is not about advertising or building collegiate rugby,
nationally. Instead, it is clearly an effort to excuse past ineffectiveness,
while also passing-the-buck for poor planning, useless communication, and the
implementation of ridiculous policies that restrict the growth of USA collegiate
rugby. As the most recent, example of the leadership style of the
O-nion's Collegiate Exec., review the way Cortez treated those involved in
the D-II Championships. And, see how many folks attended the National Finals
I wonder if the O-nion understands that its members will follow and support
them, through Thick-and-Thin. However, they also reserve the right to NOT
follow. This is especially true, when "Thick" describes the thickheaded
and unable-to-be-advised O-nion Exec’s ability to lead, and
"Thin", describes the O-nions ability to manage the future of USA Rugby.
The Exec’s from the O-nion Field (Headquarters) have drawn too much
salary for such poor leadership, and are overpaid for the limited perspective
they provide about the future of collegiate rugby. How sad, especially when you
consider that college programs actually contribute and financially assist these
O-nion Exec’s. Way to take care of yourselves, O-nion Exec’s!!!
Of Championship, Cortezes Cowboys, Control, Chevy Trucks, and O-nions that Make
Me Cry.It's sad when the USA Rugby O-nion can't even
retain, top college teams (e.g. Cal and BYU) for their own, Collegiate National
Championship. Even sadder, that the lead O-nion Exec. over collegiate programs
talk ‘smack’ in the media, about O-nion members. Well done Rugby
O-nion (Not!!!)… Way to help members of the O-nion (sarc.)… Way to
build the confidence of O-nion members in your O-nion (...still sarc.)... and,
way to gain the trust and respect of O-nion members (... Yes, still sarc.)...
A bit more news on the so called "championship " put on by USAR. Guess
how many folks turned out for Cortez's championship match ? According
Gainline US rugby blog, 350 people tops showed in Greensboro NC. 350 tops !.
Then because of rain there were less then 100 people in the stands by the end of
the match. Less then 100 people ? Are you serious !!!USAR received a
$250,000 grant from International Rugby for college championships and this is
what they got from the investment?USAR should apologize to the Varsity Cup
members and promply turn over the college playoffs to the leaders of the Varsity
Cup.Again USAR put on their championship with funding from IRB and
attendance was 350 people. And USAR has the nerve to question the Varsity Cup ?
Long live the Varsity Cup !!!!!!!
WACpaddled"BYU would have been crushed by any of the teams that
finished in the top ten that year."Easy to say, IMPOSSIBLE to
prove, but there's this:14 September 1985 1984 #1
BYU 311984 #2 Wash 3Finishing 1984 on a 24-game winning streak
with back-to-back Top 7 finishes was definitely a superb accomplishment, worthy
of being crowned Consensus 1984 National Champion by these organizations:AP Sportswriters PollFootball Writers Association of AmericaNational Football FoundationUSA Today/CNNUnited Press
International Coaches PollThe exact same national organizations (AP,
FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, and UPI) that selected all of these major college football
national champions:1989 Miami1988 Notre Dame1987
Miami1986 Penn St.1985 Oklahoma1984 Brigham Young1983
Miami1982 Penn St.Despite the jealous whining of the kids on
the hill, BYU's 1984 major college football national championship was just
as legitimate as any of the above-mentioned national champions.
Not real smart in promoting the sport of rugby when downplaying the hard work of
BYU and Cal.
Well, then maybe they should just settle it with a Varsity Cup/USA Rugby D1-A NC
winner become the "World Champion". If they're gonna fight about it
just settle it on the playing field. That's how all three of our major
professional sports settled it, probably plenty of others too, like boxing.
That's what makes competitive sports exciting
I don't think you need to pile on Cortez. He's just the messenger,
and you don't shoot them. He wasn't even in the position he's in
now when the eligibility rules were changed by all of the collegiate members of
USA Rugby. To me, that says the other schools thought BYU had an advantage.
I'll be interested to know how the board meeting went, and if USA Rugby
will be making any changes.
Oh...and the Haka...you'd have to be a caveman to think it has no place in
Rugby. As an All Black fan, I cannot get enough of it. Still wish BYU and Utah
would pick it back up for football.
I was totally with TomClayman until his 2nd comment. He's right about Life
and St Mary's. Life is here in the Atlanta area and if you all remember
they gave BYU a very good game in last year's playoffs--so don't so
quickly pile on the non Varsity Cup programs. I thought "kudos to Tom for
knowing the real deal" ... until the amusing missionary comment. I always
love that comment when I hear opponents use it because it is so uneducated.
Surprised to have seen that cited by Tom when he seemed to know his stuff.And what's the worry about mythical or not mythical
championships...we've all been dealing with the mythical football
championship for years. I've never liked it even in 1984 when it worked for
BYU [...which is why I also enjoyed the shellacking BYU gave the
'supposed' Natl Champ Washington the next year.] Face it, for now the
Varsity Cup is the system we have until something better can be setup. Maybe we
can do like football with it's new and improved "Natl Championship"
and just pick 4 teams to play in it and ignore the rest...
Life University 2013 USA Rugby D1-A National Champions!
I baited someone to bit on the Haka comment, but the monitor of the comments
will not post my reply, which simply states that there is no place for it in the
game as it has nothing to do with LDS or collegiate sports.
Tom Clayman,For someone who acts like he knows so much about rugby I have
a hard time believing that you don't know what the Haka is.
So I went to the National semi's for mens club rugby put on by USA Rugby
today in Virginia Beach. The fields were next to the 8-10 year old youth soccer
players with very little seating. Teams traveled from Boston, Wisconsin and
Minnesota to play in this tournament and you can tell it was done on a
shoestring budget. No announcers, no PA system, no programs and no media
coverage. Horribly overpriced cheap food. It's a wonder that rugby is
growing in America at all with USA Rugby involved.Long live the
Varsity Cup !!!!!
I happened to be a meeting with this discussed by Cortez and some others. The
reality is all of this revolves around eligibility requirements that USAR put in
place under Cortez's perview. The new eligibility requirements would punish
military, returned missionaries, peace corp and other players with fewer years
of eligibility. Revenue share with USAR is also horrible. We ran the JWRT here
and had to threaten USAR with collections to get them to pay the state its fair
share of the proceeds. One last comment and item to remember, Cortez
coached Wyoming for years and has absolutely no love for BYU or Cal. The Varsity cup is a great move, no matter what Cortez calls it. Things were
working, barely before he took over as collegiate chairman and now he is a
driving force in making USAR irrelevant. Soon we will see the state orgs
breaking away do to the extremely poor leadership and management by USAR.
It's unfortunate that USA Rugby and the Varsity Cup teams were not able to
come to an agreement this year. We'll have to accept the fact that there
will be two teams this year that can claim the title of "National
Champion." The idea that the BYU/Cal game was a "Mythical
Championship" is ridiculous.Few people that know much about
college Rugby would ague that BYU and Cal aren't the two most dominant
programs in the nation and have been for the past several decades. That being
said, the competition from other schools is getting better every year. BYU
narrowly defeated Life in the semifinals last year and St. Mary's nearly
beat Cal (St. Mary's led at the half) this year. Had there been a single
championship tournament, I think Cal and BYU would have met in the final, but
there would have been some tough/close games on the way. St. Mary's, Life,
and a few others can hold their own against Cal and BYU.Hopefully
all the best teams can compete in a single national championship tournament next
year and hopefully BYU will be three-peat National Champions. Go Cougs!
The haka is not a LDS thing. It is an old Maori tradition. It has been
adopted by the Polynesians who play Rugby and football as a fun way to maybe
intimidate the opposition. The ancient Maori's would line up opposing each
other and do the fearsome "Haka." Just like now, it largely failed to
accomplish that goal. But was a great tradition. To call it a LDS thing shows
a naive lack of understanding.
"BYU would have been crushed by any of the teams that finished in the top
ten that year."Sure. Whatever. I supposed that's why BYU
played against Washington the next year and beat up on them; pretty much the
same Washington team that some thought should have been champions in 1984.And Utah was going to be demolished by Alabama, right? And Boise State
didn't have a prayer against Oklahoma. Need I go on?
@4601Your post doesn't make sense.
If Rugby USA thinks a two year hiatus is an unfair advantage, send their players
to the Peace Corps for two years. The "mission advantage" is a common
fallacy and inverted argument. When BYU wins it's because missions give an
unfair advantage and when BYU loses it is because missions cause athletes to be
old and soft. Rugby USA needs to grow up and join the higher level competition.
For Tom in SF, the answer is yes. Other schools admit student athletes in
similar circumstances. The military academies have their own way of recruiting
athletes. Is being unaware on the haka a SF thing?
Is the Haka a LDS thing?
Excellent article. Now I know what happened and why.I'm a
former BYU rugby player, really happy for the team and coaching staff. Also,
really happy Utah is getting sorted out. We waged some serious battles with that
team. Whatever happens BYU and Cal will end up on top with Utah and others right
on their heels.
As it applies to the 1984 National championship... It wasn't BYU's
choice to play Michigan. They were willing to play any team. Many top notch
major conference teams could have come to the Holiday Bowl to play BYU. None
were willing to come So BYU beat the Michigan team that was willing to come
dnaySalt Lake City, UTChris B, enough with the jealousy, we won a
National Championship in football live with it. The 2 best teams in rugby are
BYU and Cal, bottom line, so how can this Cortez really believe that the winner
of his game would be considered the best in college rugby. Personally I
don't think he does, he knows that their in trouble so he has to try and
down play it. Personally I think this years championship means more than the one
last year because they beat the best team. It's like Memphis Grizzlies
beating the Thunder, it doesn't quite have the same feel because the
Thunder didn't have their best team. I think Memphis would be more proud of
beating a Thunder team with Westbrook playing then with him out._________Ok then lets use your example. BYU did not even play the
best team to win the title in 1984. Do you and BYU fans think that beating a 6-6
Michigan was an accomplishment? BYU would have been crushed by any of the teams
that finished in the top ten that year.
So many empty logic trails... If BYU having older/bigger/more mature athletes as
a result of missions was such an advantage all schools would be encouraging LDS
athletes to go on missions. Don't see too many schools trying to copy
BYU's mission/athlete juggling act. USA Rugby trying downplay the varsity
cup and say that BYU won a mythical national championship is the same as the NIT
trying to claim superiority over the NCAA tournament. The championship
tradition of the teams involved with the varsity cup clearly show who the big
dogs are and where the best competition will be found.Watched BYU
baseball last night on TV. Great game. Love watching the cougars play sports.
Rugby USA is just bitter that a third of its members left. Seems to suggest that
Rugby USA is not as innocent and clean as they espouse. Rugby USA is a myth in
its own mind. No one is going to care about their championship tournament.
It's about as valid and the football's BCS.
Rich Cortez is full of himself! If he is the face of USA Rugby than I say good
riddance! And let's get BYU Rugby back on BYUTV!
Y Grad/Y Dad,Nice comment to the ankle biters.
"What BYU won ... was a mythical championship"And Cougie
Nation goes into a panic!
Oh my. I say this to all haters. If you let your loathing cloud your ability
to reason and instead lead with emotion before your fact gathering deductive
mind, save yourself the trouble of commenting and fast track your take with one
word written on your forehead using a big black sharpie. The word is FOOL.
Let USA Rugby call it what they want. BYU Rugby's performance over the
years is impressive--- to say the least.
@Truth MachineYou claimed:"As far as "importing
players", every school out there has the exact same opportunity to recruit
foreign players as BYU."Coach David Smyth stated in a Desert
News piece on May 13, 2013 about Linehan from New Zealand:"One
of those players showed up at the beginning of October, shoes in hand, all the
way from New Zealand. "Jonny (Linehan) showed up and we worked him out on
Tuesday, he came back for an hour and a half on Thursday, and we were impressed
with what he could do," Smyth said. Linehan went home, took the ACT, and was
in school by Jan. 9."You tell me what university other BYU can a
student take the ACT in October and be enrolled 3 months later? Do you think
other Varsity Cup teams can do that? UCLA? Air Force? Dartmouth? Navy? You're living in a dreamland.
USA Rugby needs to get over itself... CAL vs BYU is several steps
above anything USA Rugby has left. They need to cooperate and give the 2 year
mission allowance then everybody can play nice
Even local high school kids have to pay fees to be a part of USA Rugby.
www.usarugby.org/usa-rugby-policies I've heard the team fee is much more.
What would you expect USA Rugby to say? That the opposing championship was the
legitimate one? Just more snootiness on the part of USA Rugby. While I like
the structure of the USA Rugby championship, they put their legitimacy for
crowning national champions into question when they set up their exclusionary
TomClayman"As good of a team that BYU is I have to give my
respect to Cal where they don't have 26 year old student athletes and where
they don't import 21 year old players as "Freshman" to play in the
skill positions."It's interesting how often this argument
is used when BYU is doing well in football, or basketball, or rugby, yet the
disadvantages of missionaries departing for two years after their Freshman year
and coming back out of shape, and sometimes suffering from parasites picked up
in the 3rd world countries they served, and the juggling act BYU coaches face
trying to make plans for recruited players who might not actually step onto a
football field or basketball court or rugby pitch for 3 or 4 years, are
completely ignored by those who have no concept of the disadvantages BYU has to
overcome because of athletes serving church missions.Some of those
disadvantages will be remedied by the earlier missionary age, but not all.As far as "importing players", every school out there has the
exact same opportunity to recruit foreign players as BYU.
“The (USA Rugby) national championship is the one you earn your way into.
What BYU won against Cal was a mythical championship.”Where
have we heard this before? '84 comes to mind, when byu literally played
against the 3rd easiest schedule in the nation and was rewarded for it by being
crowned the "MYTHICAL" NC. Seriously, this stuff can't be made up.
I've got popcorn in-hand, kicking it on my Lazy-Boy and literally roaring
in laughter.Never actually earned through their play, but
overflowing with PRE-season/MYTHICAL accolades = byu athletics. Good times.
It may be a little off-topic but since it has been bantered about in several of
the posts in here, I’ll direct one toward Tajemnica with “May sound
like 1984 but remind me again how many national championship trophies in
football utah has?”The BCS (and all its incarnations) was
formed to make sure another 1984 wouldn’t happen. Were it not for that,
Utah would have had its NC when it rolled over Alabama in 2009 becoming the ONLY
undefeated college team in the country. The fact that the BCS discounted it is
no different than USAR discounting the Varsity Cup this year. Utah has a NC.
They just don’t have a trophy to strut around.
USA Rugby is simply a tax organization on rugby teams. They give little and take
much. Cortez's comments were childish and unprofessional just like
As good of a team that BYU is I have to give my respect to Cal where they
don't have 26 year old student athletes and where they don't import 21
year old players as "Freshman" to play in the skill positions. Cal
develops players right out of HS and have had BYU's number for quite a few
years. When the day comes that more universities support the rugby program the
Cal model is scaleable. The BYU model of older players will be neutralized, like
it is in basketball and football, when the quality of young athletes trump the
age advantage. Also, the ability to get the import talent into BYU within 3 to 6
months after identifying them is not realistic at almost every other university.
Enjoy your dominance, but the day will come when there are 20 Cal
type programs and BYU will be just a mediocre team.
If my memory is right.....which it is BYU went to life in the playoffs last year
and beat them. They regularly crushed St. Mary's so you tell me which
championship is mythical. BYU beat Cal which is well known for being the best
rugby program for many many years. End of discussion.
SlopJ30Re: "Chris ... Through overuse you're diluting the
impact of a well-placed "LOL.""_______While I tend
to agree with this statement, have you taken the time to mention the same thing
to our friend Duckhunter?
The key point of the article is the finances. As a former player and familiar
with what's going on, there is one program in the U.S. with a large enough
endowment to attract and support national and international players--Cal. BYU
has struggled on an extramural budget that hasn't changed since the early
90s, and though there have been some changes in administrative support, the BYU
athletic department has no interest in changing their support or model of
support for extramural programs (see BYU lax coach leaving for greener pastures,
soccer program leaving the club scene to get some legitimacy in a semi-pro
league). So when BYU goes to the national championship in California multiple
times, and isn't even reimbursed enough for their travel and lodging
expenses by USA Rugby, one can begin to see the frustration of trying to work
with a national program that is unwilling to appropriately reimburse the
programs generating the revenue. Cortez's suggestion that they should be
there for the highs and lows is silly. The programs that generate the revenue
should get disapproportionate income from it.
Why doesn't BYU simply challenge the winner... like the two divisions in
the NFL, to proclaim a national champion?.
#1 Champ"Does Manti Teo play for BYU Rugby because he should.
They seem to have a lot in common."Not really.
Shame on USA Rugby for knowingly excluding BYU with their 5 year eligibility
clock! With the new mission age, their running clock may work if it
didn't start until a player plays his first match..
Sounds a lot like the snooty exclusiveness of the BCS in D1 Football, but more
like if Alabama were excluded from next year's BCS.Chris
B's post is more ridiculous since Utah's rugby team is also excluded.
Nice try...btw - where can we get some of this gear? I really like
the black and blue rugby shirts. I've never seen them for sale anywhere.
Does Manti Teo play for BYU Rugby because he should. They seem to have a lot in
The LOL starts whenever I see a comment coming from Chris B about any BYU
sporting event. Every reader of DN sports articles who has been around awhile
knows better than to take Chris B seriously. It's interesting that even
many Ute fans will often chide him for his extremism. Based on his past
comments, any college not named U-of-U that wins a national championship in any
sport can't be legitimate... especially if that college happens to be
BYU.Someday, if he lives long enough, the Utes just might win a national
championship in a men's sporting event. For his sake, I hope it happens.
Then, in that private world he's been living in since 1984, the sky will
finally turn from an artificial red color to the true blue color that everyone
I have no doubt that BYU had the best rugby team in college this year. They
beat professional teams in the highest classification of USA Rugby and lost to
other pro teams in close matches. It does not matter to me what you
call it, the Varsity Cup Champion is the best college rugby team in 2013.
Anyone honest with themselves would say the same thing.
Chris B, enough with the jealousy, we won a National Championship in football
live with it. The 2 best teams in rugby are BYU and Cal, bottom line, so how can
this Cortez really believe that the winner of his game would be considered the
best in college rugby. Personally I don't think he does, he knows that
their in trouble so he has to try and down play it. Personally I think this
years championship means more than the one last year because they beat the best
team. It's like Memphis Grizzlies beating the Thunder, it doesn't
quite have the same feel because the Thunder didn't have their best team. I
think Memphis would be more proud of beating a Thunder team with Westbrook
playing then with him out.
St Mary's ran Cal very close just a few weeks before Cal played BYU. I
think St Mary's was up by 11 at the half and lost by 10 in the end. Life
probably will beat St Mary's this weekend. To say that Life or St
Mary's can be beat by any of the Varsity Cup teams is a stretch. Life or St
Mary's could beat BYU or Cal on a given day. Not the favorites, but
certainly not an easy game.
I'd love to see a match between BYU and the winner of Life and St.
Mary's. I remember BYU beating both of these teams last year.
Looks like USA Rugby did the equivalent of forcing the SEC out of the major
college football playoffs.Sorry, but you don't kick Alabama,
LSU, and Florida to the curb and then try to claim that your tournament still
determines the "real" national champion.Every real rugby fan
knows that the two best teams in the country played in the Varsity Cup
championship match and that match determined the real national champion.
Chris BSince EVERY AP National Champion has been determined in
exactly the same way, by finishing #1 in the final poll of a nation-wide panel
of sportswriters, EVERY national champion from 1936 to 2012, at least according
to your theory, is a nothing more than a "mythical" national
champion.This of course makes Utah's 2004 and 2008 teams
"mythical" #4 and #2 teams, and of course makes every Utah win over a
Top 25 team a win over a "mythical" Top 25 team.Sorry bro,
but you can't have it both ways.Either you have to recognize
BYU's 1984 National Championship as being just as legitimate as any other
national championship, or you have to label every national champion as
Article quote: "I applaud their efforts, but the Varsity Cup is an
invitational. The (USA Rugby) national championship is the one you earn your way
into,” USA Rugby Collegiate Director Rich Cortez said. “What BYU won
against Cal was a mythical championship.”Mythical?Good grief!, that positively reeks of snootiness.So a team that
competed in 6 straight championships (BYU) has to abide by a rule that..1) limits the time an athlete can play it by the number of years they
graduate after high school (What college sport does that??? Answer: none of the
others.)2) allows for ONE year leaves of absence, when LDS
missionaries need 2 years for mission.No, the Rugby USA Collegiate
guys don't have it out for BYU at aaaaall. (end sarcasm)
Yes, 1984's NC was a "mythical" NC. So was 1985's,
1986's, 1987's . . etc etc up through 2013. Without any sort of
workable playoff, every NC is make-believe. When votes go a long way to
determining who a sport's champ is, it's illegitimate.Chris LOL's about a lot of stuff that just doesn't seem that
amusing. Dude, were really laughing out loud when you typed up your post?
Through overuse you're diluting the impact of a well-placed "LOL."
@ Chris BSo now you are discrediting the Rugby NC that was won by a
team from the same league that Utah plays in? I believe you have just exposed
the true rationale behind all of your posts regarding BYU.Don't
look now, but I believe your jealousy is showing ;).
Why would christy be questioning the legitimacy of a national championship that
the Utes could be in line to win next year?Seems that in her haste
to bash BYU, she stomped all over her own future prospects.
You're right, Chris B. This championship is just as mythical as the 1984
championship. Just go take a look at the trophy and see just how
"mythical" it is!
I would say that BYU, Cal, and the other top rugby teams should form their own
conference or league, make it permanent, and leave USA Rugby in the dust.
It's obvious that Cortez has it out for BYU just like many University of
Wyoming folks. Let USA Rugby flounder and then disappear. Saint Mary's and
"Life" University wouldn't stand a chance against any of the
Varsity Cup Eight Teams.
Chris, so glad you finally get it! Both 1984 and 2013 are National Champions,
recognized by all except those few with chips on their shoulders.Thanks for coming round~!
Sounds like the BCS of Rugby. BYU 1 USAR/Cortez 0. Go Cougars!
Well I don't know much about Rugby and now not a National Champion? Double
Wammy, but at least BYU did beat Cal the second time. Still a well done game.
Anyone one know where to watch this Rugby 101 or "Rugby for Dummies"?
Sure I could live in New Zeland or England to learn Rugby.
@Christine. May sound like 1984 but remind me again how many national
championship trophies in football utah has?Go Trojans!
LOL...and yet we consistenly refer to the winners of the MLB championship as the
"World Champions". We even call it the "World Series". We call
the NBA champions and the NFL champions the "World Champions". This is
all a bunch of hoopla over nothing. Next thing you know, the Jets from the
lowly AFL are gonna claim they can beat the Colts from the mighty NFL.
BYU and Cal would wipe the floor with either of the 2 finalist in the
"National Championship" game. In fact I bet most of the 8 would do well
if not beat the final 2 teams. The 5 year rule was a shot at BYU and they knew
it when they made the rule. What did they expect BYU to do? If you have not
noticed BYU will not roll over and die. Whenever they are faced with not fair
rules they push back hard. I remember when the Feds tried to get them to coed
all dorms. Yeah that went over well. Football? Yeah we rolled over dead there
too. I think the USA Rugby will cave. Now that most of the better
teams and most of the high profile universities are gone if they want them back
they better listen to what they have to say. If not then we keep on doing what
we are doing. There is no question in anybodys mind that BYU and Cal were and
are the best 2 teams in the College Rugby.
This is just USA Rugby trying to discredit them because they are upset their
cash cow has left. And Cortez is the director? He was the head coach of
Wyoming, which would routinely get beat by 80 points by either of these teams.
Cortez is well spoken, but it doesn't sound like a good business move to
take a direct shot at one of the historically top two teams in the sport after
you've already lost the other top (two) team. Hate to see
anyone jump out of the "all for one and one for all" financial model of
team sports, but its bound to happen when you have individuals and teams already
sacrificing so much for love of the game. You can only milk the cash cows so
LonestarRunner"How can you possibly dispute which tournament
crowned the true national champion when Varsity Cup teams have won 31 out of 33
national championships?"Make that 32 out of 34 national
championships for Varsity Cup teams.With the Varsity Cup looking to
grow - Texas and Utah are already in the mix for next season - it sounds like do
or die time for USA Rugby to do whatever it takes to draw Varsity Cup teams back
into the USAR tourney, or USAR could lose all of its Division 1A teams to the
Sounds a lot like 1984Lol.
Are we seriously going to question if Life or St. Mary's has a legitimate
chance of competing against either of these schools who played in the
"championship?" Skill, not naming rights, determine who the true
How can you possibly dispute which tournament crowned the true national champion
when Varsity Cup teams have won 31 out of 33 national championships?