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Utah GOP convention agenda includes vote on Common Core

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  • Waaandy Bountiful, UT
    May 20, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    The Common Core did not come from the government. It came from the fact that some kid could take Algebra in Virginia, move to Utah, and as his math teacher I would have no idea what he'd learned because Algebra in Virginia meant something different than it did in Utah. Most states are still using the traditional Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II format. Utah chose to go a different route that uses a spiraling curriculum. It's the same content, but they've all been combined together, and then it gets deeper and deeper each year. It does a great job of helping students think for themselves (maybe that's why so many of these groups are against it) instead of having formulas drilled into them, and helping them see the connections between subjects that before seemed unrelated.

    Again, participation was voluntary. Yes, there have been implementation issues, but once they're all worked out it will be better for students. Students can still take an accelerated track, though it does leave something to be desired as far as helping the struggling student (never been too big of a priority for our legislature).

    Please legislature, stay out of education.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    May 20, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    @Momma C

    DNews did report on the "huge" news. I found it covered in two or three sentences on the article talking about the convention where they chose to keep the current caucus system as is. Everyone expected the Convention was going to adopt some anti-common core agenda because it was the Republican convention.

    Getting rid of the Common Core would be highly disruptive to testing and accountability if the legislature forces the elected school board to change course. The state has been in transition using the higher/different standards for two years. Next year the state will have fully adopted common core and have wasted millions on computer adaptive testing tied to common core. The state will have to pony out more money to realign the tests to the old standards.

    What the legislature should do is nothing. They should stop meddling in education EVERY year. Kids thrive on consistency. Leave education alone for a long period of time and the results will be better than if we change standards/testing every year like we currently do.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    May 19, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Yesterday at the GOP convention a huge thing happened. The Republican state delegations voted to support the ANTI-Common Core resolution by over 65%. Those of us who care about local control, about high quality, tested and legitimate standards, and about the Constitutional right to education WITH representation, are relieved. Why didn't the Deseret News report on this huge turn of events?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 17, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Let me simplify this:

    * Common Core is not about education,--it's control over American children.

    Similarly:

    * Obama Care isn't about the health the American people,--it's control.

    We're slowly walking into a communistic trap, and our people can't see it. I'd rather be a nut, then correct.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    May 17, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    I find this whole argument over the common core fascinating and silly.

    The misinformation by its opponents to fight against it is reaching ridiculous levels. Since it has such vocal resistance in this state, it is doomed to fail even if it had good concepts.

    Its proponents saying it will revolutionize education also have me laughing out loud. How do we know? Just because a bunch of educrats and politicians made this up doesn't mean it will work.

    Finally, is there any student or parent accountability pieces. Again, unless this is changed in education the fight over the common core is just paramount to arguing where to put the deck chairs on the Titanic prior to iceberg collision.

  • SaltLake Dad ,
    May 17, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    It is very easy to look to our community and think that we have everything we need to sustain a child's developmental needs. That could be true at the level of religion and family values. But at the academic level, a student / scholar needs to atleast consider ideas that come from outside the immediate community for a good education even is they do not agree with them.

    The Eagle forum is opposed to that and are very vocal in their opposition. UtahnsAgainstCommonCore claim that they are opposed to the process adopting the common core because the public was not involved. That same public has not been too involved in the past either. Parents are best qualified to present religious and family values to their children. The educators who approved the use of common core are qualified to decide on academic standards. The teachers are qualified to pick specific curriculum and adapt as they go along. Look to your child's teachers not EagleForum.

    Let's stop acting as if the sky is falling and give common core a chance. Let's not mix community values with updated academic standards.

    Official CC content can be found at corestandards dot org.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 17, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    The IRS will control medical life making decisions, while the feds manage education.

    Can we trust an organization who created a 17 trillion dollar debt, and impoverished our country?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:30 a.m.

    Why not be truthful and honest when debating things such as Common Core? All the dishonesty and fear-mongering that the opponents of common core are using has been quite amusing, but doesn't reveal the motive of the individuals behind the rhetoric. Common Core does not take away local control. It merely states standards for which the schools plan curriculum and instruction to achieve.

    Frankly, the standards the school board sets do not matter as much as whether they remain consistent over the long stretch. With all the yearly meddling of the state legislature and school board everything gets muddled and kids get the short end of the stick. We need to stick to one set of standards and don't change them or testing for at least a decade.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:00 a.m.

    I wish to thank the reporter for a good article. One minor correction - it was a committee of four, not three.

    I asked them about the objections. Holly Richardson said it was "inflammatory." I asked specifically where? Two passages: "inferior national standards" and "unproven experiment" lacking "empirical evidence." She also claimed that the statement that the Common Core initiative was not a state-led.

    The one-page resolution contains 46 meticulously researched citations and more co-sponsors than any resolution in a Republican convention, along with over 5,500 petitions signers.

    Two formidable educators that stand with us on those "inflammatory" statements are Stanford Math Professor Emeritus James Milgram, and U of Arkansas Endowed Chair Quality Teaching, Dept of Education Reform Sandra Stotsky, both noted in their fields. Both also served on the Common Core validation committee and have publicly objected to the lowered and untried standards and have testified against them.

    Google Utahns Against Common Core, and all the evidence you need is available for review. We invite the members of that committee to attend an upcoming event, along with others who may want to learn more.

  • Cherilyn Eagar Holladay, UT
    May 16, 2013 11:46 p.m.

    I want to thank Benjamin for contacting me and for the excellent article. Just one minor correction: the committee had four members, not three. When I presented the resolution, I asked what the specific objections were. Holly Richardson led the discussion. "It's inflammatory." When I asked specifically where, she pointed out the first statement that the standards were inferior and that this was not state-led but the result of a collaboration of non-profit organizations and stimulus money. This is entirely factual.

    The other "inflammatory" statement was that the standards comprise an "unproven experiment" lacking "empirical evidence." Utah adopted the standards in 2009 in a race for stimulus money before they were even written. Two members of Common Core's validation committee, Sandra Stotksy and James Milgram (language arts and math professors respectively) have been outspoken in their objections of lower standards and have testified in several states against them.

    We extend an invitation to the committee members and anyone who would like to learn more. Utahns Against Common Core has a dot com blog site for more info. on upcoming events.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    May 16, 2013 5:48 p.m.

    Unfortunately the anti-CommonCore crowd are telling the truth,

    and are demonized, name-called, belittled by the extreme left for it.

    CommonCore is a huge step in the federal takeover of local education.

    Which means the loss of local and parental control of our local schools.

    and loss of privacy of students,

    It's lowers standards, and lowers learning methods.

    It isn't pro-constitution nor pro-American in teaching true and full history and love for country.

    It doesn't lift up but lowers all to the lowest common denominator. Hence the name.

    The pro-CommonCore crowd are lieing about it.

    CommonCore was created by the far left, "progressives" or communists by any other name,

    They were NOT originally developed by the National Governor's Assoc. and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), though they may have given to those groups later for approval or amendment.

    There're a lot lies and misinformation coming from the proCommonCore crowd.

    As you can see in the comments here, they will personally attack and minimize anyone who gives the real truth about CC.

    CommonCore isn't good for anyone, but those who seek power and control over the people.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 16, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    The amount of misinformation and outright lies about Common Core is simply incredible among its opponents.

  • Highlandmom American Fork, UT
    May 16, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    All Hands on Deck, Moabmom and bandersen,
    Are you members of the Eagle Forum? You sound like it since you seem to be part of a few vocal people now fighting the implementation of the new standards. Did you attend the earlier and extensive public hearings convened by the Board? Didn't you speak up then? Or are you followers of an ultra-conservative group outside of Utah who deny the truth about how the standards were created.
    I respect the rights of the minority to object; but I expect our state leaders to respect the authority of the Utah State Board to govern public education and to recognize the public hearing processes the Board convened for months ahead of standards adoption when the majority of attendees expressed support for the rigor of the new Utah Core Standards.

    Now is not the time to reverse gears and yield to the unreasonable demands of a few.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    May 16, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    How can any Utahn who considers him/herself a lover of the Constitution not throw this back in the face of the Federal Government? How can anyone with a lick of common sense that has eyes to see look around and say, "Yup, I'm sure the Federal Government has the answers on this because wow, look at what they have been able to do with everything else they're running." This is an absolute deal between business and government. The EDUCATION of our children is not the same as preparing them for the workforce! Say that you want this if you want, but don't say you are a lover of the Constitution. liberty, and local control!

  • Moabmom Moab, UT
    May 16, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Common Core standards are exactly what the name suggests...common and mediocre. I am opposed to CC because I have read the actual material/lesson plans that are being introduced into our schools. the instructions to teachers are especially enlightening as regards the move away from American values and toward global values. Those who support CC either have not read this material or they are more concerned with the Federal dollars that are connected to implementing CC than they are with the social engineering curriculum of the material itself that is being taught to our children. CC is another massive Federal overreach, this time for control over our children's education. Parents really need to stop listening to those who have bought into CC and look at the actual curriculum materials. Most Utah families would be appalled at what they find.

  • all hands on deck Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Common core is rotten to the core. Our state board thinks that we will maintain control. NO WAY. The tests will come our of AIR a very liberal organization. We are told that Utah will decide the test questions. Then, when pushed, our state board says, well actually AIR will give them to us and no parents will have input.

    The standards are dumber! My 8th grader is repeating math from last year. American exceptional-ism is already eroding from the discussion. Science will teach man made global warming is real. Bill Gates has funded most of this initiative. Tracking detail about students, not just academic, but all aspects of students is already being planned.

    Wake up. This is granting control of education to outside entities, to 3rd parties outside of Utah. Mark Tucker's goal of creating a national education administered from the Federal level is becoming a reality. We are jumping into the river that is taking us right over the cliff to a Federal education system with common core.

    Obama himself said he established the new common core standards during his debate with Romney.. Wow.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    May 16, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    I'm confused by the misinformation being given by the opponents, and think its a bit disingenuous. At the beginning of the year meeting with m y child's kindergarten teacher this year, she said that she'd bee teaching kindergarten for 20 years, but that now, with the new standards, she would effectively be teaching first grade, because of the new requirements placed on the children. Doesn't this suggest an increase in rigor?

  • Highlandmom American Fork, UT
    May 15, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    @Utah_1, just as the State Board of Education adopted the Common Core, it has the authority to "amend/modify/add/delete" the standards has it has done for decades. Many of those screaming in opposition of the CCSS were screaming for tougher math standards only a few short years ago. Now that they got tougher standards they continue to scream that they are not good enough. The USBE has always set the standards that district must meet. But districts, school and classroom teachers set the curriculum of what is actually taught to meet the standards set. That is plenty of local control.

    @Sally, There is no "common core curriculum run by the feds." There are common core standards developed by the National Governor's Assoc. and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO)that have been adopted by states but there is a big difference between educational standards and curriculum. The Federal Government offered State Offices of Education grants based on the standards that they set but that does not equate to the Federal government taking away local control of education. Utah did not win a grant. However, they were granted a waiver from No Child Left Behind.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 15, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    States will lose federal funding, or must create an approved & complex/alternative curriculum, in order to get away from common core. Similar to the IRS scandal, states rejecting common core will be singled out.

    Our children are being turned over to the feds.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    May 15, 2013 8:10 p.m.

    Education should be controlled by the local populace. Having raised children in many states, I still see no reason for a common core curriculum run by the feds. It was a great experience for our children to adjust. I am impressed by parents who are home schooling their children. I am also against medicaid expansion. The less the Feds are involved, the more control we have in the state. Lawful immigration is acceptable. Illegal immigration is not acceptable in the U.S.A. They need to show respect to us, return on their own, get in line, then they will be welcome.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    The race to the top funding competition provided little time for the states to adopt common core, so almost no legislatures were involved in the adoption nationally. With the National Governors Association behind it, I am not surprised it was signed in the approx. 2 months the states were given initially. Federal Funds are the only enforcement tool, and we haven't got any of them over this yet.

    I believe it was Governor Huntsman in 2009 who signed up for this direction along with the state school board who was acting constitutionally: "The general control and supervision of the public education system shall be vested in a State Board of Education. ", were within their duties. Saying the Feds are outside their constitutional powers is one thing, which I agree with, but saying the state school board was outside theirs is an argument that would be lost.

    The only thing the legislature has done so far is raise concerns and provide some barrier to federal control, calling it Utah's Common Core in the Statewide Adaptive Testing request for proposal. The feds have lowered the student privacy laws and so Utah has tied Utah's student privacy laws to any funding.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    Having heard both sides and talked to the local district, Common Core has control problems. The districts say that the state school board is calling all the shots on it and the state school board has been put in an bad situation.

    I don't mind having access to a national grassroots standard, as long as we have the flexibility to amend/modify/add/delete anything to make it better. I am not sure we have enough control.

    Math teachers I have talked to believe the standard will do 2 things, help ACT scores rise and decrease the number of students taking remedial math when they reach college.

    Many do not like the no text books and wants other options.

    There are those that would have taken 8th grade Algebra that would take Calculus their senior year that should not have to waste their 8th grade and could move faster and those that are not understanding the concepts, and may not understand, that have traditionally been taught by rote.

    The standard, a is a one size fits all approach, which will only work with the middle students. Ask the teachers that have been teaching for 30 years.