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Published: Wednesday, May 15 2013 5:20 p.m. MDT

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

Having heard both sides and talked to the local district, Common Core has control problems. The districts say that the state school board is calling all the shots on it and the state school board has been put in an bad situation.

I don't mind having access to a national grassroots standard, as long as we have the flexibility to amend/modify/add/delete anything to make it better. I am not sure we have enough control.

Math teachers I have talked to believe the standard will do 2 things, help ACT scores rise and decrease the number of students taking remedial math when they reach college.

Many do not like the no text books and wants other options.

There are those that would have taken 8th grade Algebra that would take Calculus their senior year that should not have to waste their 8th grade and could move faster and those that are not understanding the concepts, and may not understand, that have traditionally been taught by rote.

The standard, a is a one size fits all approach, which will only work with the middle students. Ask the teachers that have been teaching for 30 years.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

The race to the top funding competition provided little time for the states to adopt common core, so almost no legislatures were involved in the adoption nationally. With the National Governors Association behind it, I am not surprised it was signed in the approx. 2 months the states were given initially. Federal Funds are the only enforcement tool, and we haven't got any of them over this yet.

I believe it was Governor Huntsman in 2009 who signed up for this direction along with the state school board who was acting constitutionally: "The general control and supervision of the public education system shall be vested in a State Board of Education. ", were within their duties. Saying the Feds are outside their constitutional powers is one thing, which I agree with, but saying the state school board was outside theirs is an argument that would be lost.

The only thing the legislature has done so far is raise concerns and provide some barrier to federal control, calling it Utah's Common Core in the Statewide Adaptive Testing request for proposal. The feds have lowered the student privacy laws and so Utah has tied Utah's student privacy laws to any funding.

sally
Kearns, UT

Education should be controlled by the local populace. Having raised children in many states, I still see no reason for a common core curriculum run by the feds. It was a great experience for our children to adjust. I am impressed by parents who are home schooling their children. I am also against medicaid expansion. The less the Feds are involved, the more control we have in the state. Lawful immigration is acceptable. Illegal immigration is not acceptable in the U.S.A. They need to show respect to us, return on their own, get in line, then they will be welcome.

worf
Mcallen, TX

States will lose federal funding, or must create an approved & complex/alternative curriculum, in order to get away from common core. Similar to the IRS scandal, states rejecting common core will be singled out.

Our children are being turned over to the feds.

Highlandmom
American Fork, UT

@Utah_1, just as the State Board of Education adopted the Common Core, it has the authority to "amend/modify/add/delete" the standards has it has done for decades. Many of those screaming in opposition of the CCSS were screaming for tougher math standards only a few short years ago. Now that they got tougher standards they continue to scream that they are not good enough. The USBE has always set the standards that district must meet. But districts, school and classroom teachers set the curriculum of what is actually taught to meet the standards set. That is plenty of local control.

@Sally, There is no "common core curriculum run by the feds." There are common core standards developed by the National Governor's Assoc. and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO)that have been adopted by states but there is a big difference between educational standards and curriculum. The Federal Government offered State Offices of Education grants based on the standards that they set but that does not equate to the Federal government taking away local control of education. Utah did not win a grant. However, they were granted a waiver from No Child Left Behind.

staypuffinpc
Provo, UT

I'm confused by the misinformation being given by the opponents, and think its a bit disingenuous. At the beginning of the year meeting with m y child's kindergarten teacher this year, she said that she'd bee teaching kindergarten for 20 years, but that now, with the new standards, she would effectively be teaching first grade, because of the new requirements placed on the children. Doesn't this suggest an increase in rigor?

all hands on deck
Sandy, UT

Common core is rotten to the core. Our state board thinks that we will maintain control. NO WAY. The tests will come our of AIR a very liberal organization. We are told that Utah will decide the test questions. Then, when pushed, our state board says, well actually AIR will give them to us and no parents will have input.

The standards are dumber! My 8th grader is repeating math from last year. American exceptional-ism is already eroding from the discussion. Science will teach man made global warming is real. Bill Gates has funded most of this initiative. Tracking detail about students, not just academic, but all aspects of students is already being planned.

Wake up. This is granting control of education to outside entities, to 3rd parties outside of Utah. Mark Tucker's goal of creating a national education administered from the Federal level is becoming a reality. We are jumping into the river that is taking us right over the cliff to a Federal education system with common core.

Obama himself said he established the new common core standards during his debate with Romney.. Wow.

Moabmom
Moab, UT

Common Core standards are exactly what the name suggests...common and mediocre. I am opposed to CC because I have read the actual material/lesson plans that are being introduced into our schools. the instructions to teachers are especially enlightening as regards the move away from American values and toward global values. Those who support CC either have not read this material or they are more concerned with the Federal dollars that are connected to implementing CC than they are with the social engineering curriculum of the material itself that is being taught to our children. CC is another massive Federal overreach, this time for control over our children's education. Parents really need to stop listening to those who have bought into CC and look at the actual curriculum materials. Most Utah families would be appalled at what they find.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

How can any Utahn who considers him/herself a lover of the Constitution not throw this back in the face of the Federal Government? How can anyone with a lick of common sense that has eyes to see look around and say, "Yup, I'm sure the Federal Government has the answers on this because wow, look at what they have been able to do with everything else they're running." This is an absolute deal between business and government. The EDUCATION of our children is not the same as preparing them for the workforce! Say that you want this if you want, but don't say you are a lover of the Constitution. liberty, and local control!

Highlandmom
American Fork, UT

All Hands on Deck, Moabmom and bandersen,
Are you members of the Eagle Forum? You sound like it since you seem to be part of a few vocal people now fighting the implementation of the new standards. Did you attend the earlier and extensive public hearings convened by the Board? Didn't you speak up then? Or are you followers of an ultra-conservative group outside of Utah who deny the truth about how the standards were created.
I respect the rights of the minority to object; but I expect our state leaders to respect the authority of the Utah State Board to govern public education and to recognize the public hearing processes the Board convened for months ahead of standards adoption when the majority of attendees expressed support for the rigor of the new Utah Core Standards.

Now is not the time to reverse gears and yield to the unreasonable demands of a few.

one old man
Ogden, UT

The amount of misinformation and outright lies about Common Core is simply incredible among its opponents.

the truth
Holladay, UT

Unfortunately the anti-CommonCore crowd are telling the truth,

and are demonized, name-called, belittled by the extreme left for it.

CommonCore is a huge step in the federal takeover of local education.

Which means the loss of local and parental control of our local schools.

and loss of privacy of students,

It's lowers standards, and lowers learning methods.

It isn't pro-constitution nor pro-American in teaching true and full history and love for country.

It doesn't lift up but lowers all to the lowest common denominator. Hence the name.

The pro-CommonCore crowd are lieing about it.

CommonCore was created by the far left, "progressives" or communists by any other name,

They were NOT originally developed by the National Governor's Assoc. and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), though they may have given to those groups later for approval or amendment.

There're a lot lies and misinformation coming from the proCommonCore crowd.

As you can see in the comments here, they will personally attack and minimize anyone who gives the real truth about CC.

CommonCore isn't good for anyone, but those who seek power and control over the people.

Cherilyn Eagar
Holladay, UT

I want to thank Benjamin for contacting me and for the excellent article. Just one minor correction: the committee had four members, not three. When I presented the resolution, I asked what the specific objections were. Holly Richardson led the discussion. "It's inflammatory." When I asked specifically where, she pointed out the first statement that the standards were inferior and that this was not state-led but the result of a collaboration of non-profit organizations and stimulus money. This is entirely factual.

The other "inflammatory" statement was that the standards comprise an "unproven experiment" lacking "empirical evidence." Utah adopted the standards in 2009 in a race for stimulus money before they were even written. Two members of Common Core's validation committee, Sandra Stotksy and James Milgram (language arts and math professors respectively) have been outspoken in their objections of lower standards and have testified in several states against them.

We extend an invitation to the committee members and anyone who would like to learn more. Utahns Against Common Core has a dot com blog site for more info. on upcoming events.

Cherilyn Eagar
Holladay, UT

I wish to thank the reporter for a good article. One minor correction - it was a committee of four, not three.

I asked them about the objections. Holly Richardson said it was "inflammatory." I asked specifically where? Two passages: "inferior national standards" and "unproven experiment" lacking "empirical evidence." She also claimed that the statement that the Common Core initiative was not a state-led.

The one-page resolution contains 46 meticulously researched citations and more co-sponsors than any resolution in a Republican convention, along with over 5,500 petitions signers.

Two formidable educators that stand with us on those "inflammatory" statements are Stanford Math Professor Emeritus James Milgram, and U of Arkansas Endowed Chair Quality Teaching, Dept of Education Reform Sandra Stotsky, both noted in their fields. Both also served on the Common Core validation committee and have publicly objected to the lowered and untried standards and have testified against them.

Google Utahns Against Common Core, and all the evidence you need is available for review. We invite the members of that committee to attend an upcoming event, along with others who may want to learn more.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

Why not be truthful and honest when debating things such as Common Core? All the dishonesty and fear-mongering that the opponents of common core are using has been quite amusing, but doesn't reveal the motive of the individuals behind the rhetoric. Common Core does not take away local control. It merely states standards for which the schools plan curriculum and instruction to achieve.

Frankly, the standards the school board sets do not matter as much as whether they remain consistent over the long stretch. With all the yearly meddling of the state legislature and school board everything gets muddled and kids get the short end of the stick. We need to stick to one set of standards and don't change them or testing for at least a decade.

worf
Mcallen, TX

The IRS will control medical life making decisions, while the feds manage education.

Can we trust an organization who created a 17 trillion dollar debt, and impoverished our country?

SaltLake Dad
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It is very easy to look to our community and think that we have everything we need to sustain a child's developmental needs. That could be true at the level of religion and family values. But at the academic level, a student / scholar needs to atleast consider ideas that come from outside the immediate community for a good education even is they do not agree with them.

The Eagle forum is opposed to that and are very vocal in their opposition. UtahnsAgainstCommonCore claim that they are opposed to the process adopting the common core because the public was not involved. That same public has not been too involved in the past either. Parents are best qualified to present religious and family values to their children. The educators who approved the use of common core are qualified to decide on academic standards. The teachers are qualified to pick specific curriculum and adapt as they go along. Look to your child's teachers not EagleForum.

Let's stop acting as if the sky is falling and give common core a chance. Let's not mix community values with updated academic standards.

Official CC content can be found at corestandards dot org.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I find this whole argument over the common core fascinating and silly.

The misinformation by its opponents to fight against it is reaching ridiculous levels. Since it has such vocal resistance in this state, it is doomed to fail even if it had good concepts.

Its proponents saying it will revolutionize education also have me laughing out loud. How do we know? Just because a bunch of educrats and politicians made this up doesn't mean it will work.

Finally, is there any student or parent accountability pieces. Again, unless this is changed in education the fight over the common core is just paramount to arguing where to put the deck chairs on the Titanic prior to iceberg collision.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Let me simplify this:

* Common Core is not about education,--it's control over American children.

Similarly:

* Obama Care isn't about the health the American people,--it's control.

We're slowly walking into a communistic trap, and our people can't see it. I'd rather be a nut, then correct.

Mamma C
HEBER CITY, UT

Yesterday at the GOP convention a huge thing happened. The Republican state delegations voted to support the ANTI-Common Core resolution by over 65%. Those of us who care about local control, about high quality, tested and legitimate standards, and about the Constitutional right to education WITH representation, are relieved. Why didn't the Deseret News report on this huge turn of events?

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