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  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 12:36 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    "What will you be saying when, in due time, RES is expanded? What will you yap about then?"

    Call us when the Utes sell out a 60,000+ seat RES for the first time.

    Until then, filling a cracker box-sized, 45,000-seat stadium is no big deal, BYU was drawing over 46,000 in LES THIRTY years ago, BEFORE LES was expanded.

    As far as trend's go, BYU has drawn 60,000+ every year except one (Crowton's final season) for the past 30 years.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Holy cow, these posts from the byu faithful are absurd. The bottom line here is that for the last several years attendance at RES has exceeded capacity and that condition is not expected to change.

    Don't you think it would be more productive, as byu fans, to find ways of getting attendance at your own stadium up to capacity? You have a dinosaur stadium that is more than 10% empty on any given week. Expend your energy addressing that issue instead of demonstrating your envy by frantically finding fault with the deferred expansion plans of your hated rival.

    What will you be saying when, in due time, RES is expanded? What will you yap about then?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    @magnaute
    "Boo! I think we are wasting some great opportunities right now. I would buy season tickets again if they were available. Students are graduating from the U, and hence from the MUSS. Many of them want to buy season tickets and continue going to games. But, they can't. So they will form other buying habits and many of them will be lost as potential customers."

    They can always become Dairy Ute fans and drive up to Logan for games. The Dairy Utes don't fill Romney Stadium, they're currently a winning program and have capacity to take on a bunch of bandwagon fans AND it would help "ute fans/BYU Haters" maintain their dislike of the Cougars while enjoying some quality football played by a winning program that currently has some upward momentum.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 17, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    The 'little stadium' inferiority complex is alive and well in Uteville.

    When I'm around the BYU campus it is 'magic'. And seeing the football stadium that Lavell built is just like seeing the castle at Disneyland.

    Yeah, it's that kind of a feeling when football season is in full swing.

    Seeing the Ute fans just begging for some morsel of RES expansion and left wanting is so funny.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 16, 2013 10:20 p.m.

    anti BCS

    "Assuming a 6-game home schedule and BYU outdrawing Utah by 20,000+ fans per game, LES has outdrawn RES by over a QUARTER-MILLION fans this century."

    Check your math:

    20,000 fans X 6 games per year X 13 years = 1,560,000

    LES has outdrawn RES this century by more than half the population of the entire state of Utah!

    Even at a VERY conservative $30 per ticket price, LES gate receipts have surpassed RES gate receipts by $46,800,000 this century.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 16, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    navelvet

    "It is YOU who need to call US..."

    Why?

    What makes you think BYU fans would be interested in the Utes drawing a "sell-out" crowd punier than BYU was drawing 30 years ago, BEFORE Cougar Stadium was expanded?

    Assuming a 6-game home schedule and BYU outdrawing Utah by 20,000+ fans per game, LES has outdrawn RES by over a QUARTER-MILLION fans this century.

    The reason you try to minimize attendance smack is obvious; Utah's small-ball stadium and fan base are simply no match for BYU's big boy-sized stadium and fan base.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    May 16, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    gored

    "Duckhunter (and your other aliases):"

    What makes you think that Duckhunter has other aliases?

    It is possible, you know, for reasonable fans to share similar opinions that don't necessarily agree with the group-think on the hill.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:00 p.m.

    navelvet

    "...when was the last time LES was sold out?"

    When was the last time RES drew 60,000+ fans?

    Even with Utah's best attendance in history and BYU suffering through the Crowton debacle, BYU has still averaged 20,000+ more than Utah this century.

    Year BYU Utah
    2000 60,619 38,538
    2001 60,450 34,069
    2002 62,176 35,429
    2003 61,501 35,134
    2004 64,236 45,155
    2005 58,204 41,536
    2006 60,524 43,279
    2007 64,497 42,593
    2008 64,102 45,342
    2009 64,236 45,155
    2010 61,381 45,459
    2011 60,265 45,149
    2012 61,161 45,347

    Avg 61,796 41,707

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 16, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    duckhunter (and your other aliases):

    Why do you care?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 16, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "Call us when the Utes actually sell out a 60,000+ capacity RES for the first time."

    Call YOU? No, no, no, my "small ball" little brother. It is YOU who need to call US...at some point where you're wanted by an elite conference, or playing in a big boy bowl game.

    I have to laugh at how our Indy-WACey little brothers have been forced to fall back to the "stadium size" trash talk, seeing as how they can't beat us on the field. And speaking of "actually sell[ing] out [stadium] capacity", when was the last time LES was sold out?

    Answer: Sept. 17, 2011....in other words, the last time your big brother came to town. 54-10! Haha!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    Lol
    Ekute:
    In the words of our beloved Homer Simpson, "DOH!" Deep blue is your daddy, tell him good night and you promise to do your homework next time lol.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 16, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    ekute

    What 25 years are you talking about?

    AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18, Utah 7

    1964 Utah UR/14
    1977 BYU 20/16
    1979 BYU 13/12
    1980 BYU 12/12
    1981 BYU 13/11
    1983 BYU 7/7
    1984 BYU 1/1 National Champions
    1985 BYU 16/17
    1989 BYU 22/18
    1990 BYU 22/17
    1991 BYU 23/23
    1994 BYU 18/10, Utah 10/8
    1996 BYU 5/5
    2001 BYU 25/24
    2003 Utah 21/21
    2004 Utah 4/5
    2006 BYU 16/15
    2007 BYU 14/15
    2008 BYU 25/21, Utah 2/4
    2009 BYU 12/12, Utah 18/18
    2010 Utah UR/23
    2011 BYU UR/25

    As you can see, 5 of Utah's 7 Top 25 finishes occurred within an 8-year period, and if you look only at the AP poll (the poll Utah fans always cite), only ONE of Utah's 5 AP rankings occurred outside of a tiny 6-year window.

    Utah football success is indeed a flash-in-the-pan.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 16, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    25 years of "Utah's recent flash-in-the-pan success".

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    ekute

    "Isn't this whole conversation about you guys telling us that the Utes don't have 60,000+ fans?"

    You're forgetting that every available seat at a BYU-Utah game at RES that wasn't occupied by a Utah fan, would be occupied by a BYU fan.

    Long before Utah's recent flash-in-the-pan success, BYU's biennial visits to Utah were often the only games that Utah managed to sell out.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 16, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @Y's little brother

    Slow down, your getting all frantic and emotional again. Isn't this whole conversation about you guys telling us that the Utes don't have 60,000+ fans? lol.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    ekute

    More like 60,000+ fans falling over themselves at halftime trying to get out of the stadium cause their mighty weak Utes are getting owned by the Mighty Cougars!

    A fitting fulfillment of the dire concerns of Chris Hill when he delayed and then finally caved on expanding RES - a few losing seasons, coupled with once again getting owned by the Cougars, and expanded RES would look just like the HC, a vast sea of empty red chairs.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 16, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    60,000+ fans falling over themselves at halftime trying to get out of the stadium cause their team is once again getting owned by the Pac12 Mighty Utes!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 16, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Thlete

    Poor Utah fans having to live with egg all over their faces after realizing that all of their stadium expansion banter turned out to be nothing more than wishful thinking, haha.

    Call us when the Utes actually sell out a 60,000+ capacity RES for the first time.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Thlete:
    "Extending the winning streak this year and having a whole 3 years to crow about it is gonna be so nice".

    Famous last words. I don't want to hear you crying or giving any excuses when the opposite happens. BYU is done giving gift baskets to the utes...our charity ends this year. GO COUGS!

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    May 16, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    I personally hope they don't expand RES anytime soon. I love being able to sell my extra season tickets in the north end zone for over 3x face value every year.

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    May 16, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Poor Cougar fans having to resort to stadium size banter, haha. Like they say, it's not the size of the stadium, it's the number on the scoreboard. Extending the winning streak this year and having a whole 3 years to crow about it is gonna be so nice.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 16, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Duck:
    No I wasn't saying anyone said RES needed an update. I was referring to that because of my statement that most businesses solidify or upgrade their infrastructure before expanding their business. Utah's infrastructure needed upgrading (see the article about all the building and renovating they are doing right now) so that's what they're focusing on before expanding the football stadium. As far as whether they could fill more seats, that may be debatable, but in the end whi cares? They get more revenue from TV than ticket sales, so expanding the stadium is a low business priority right now. I also believe Utah WILL expand their stadium at some point because the plans have already been drawn up and it remains on their plans for the future. I know from my own experience with friends and some family who are ute fans that there is a waiting list for season tickets. How long that list is, and whether Utah could fill a 60,000 seat stadium is a matter of debate, but I don't think that's what's holding them up on stadium expansion...other pressing needs are taking the cash right now.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    Did anyone say rice eccles needed an "upgrade"? It is a nice little facility and doesn't need any apparent "upgrades". But it also doesn't need an expansion and chris hill apparently realizes this because there are no plans to do it anytime soon. The utah "fan"base needs to actually prove they are more than flash in the pan fair weahter types before that expense would be incurred. The only ones clamoring for an expansion are utah "fans" that simply see it as validation for their own tenuous "fan"base. Since there are no plans to do it anytime soon we can take that as the utah powers that be not giving them that validation.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    Thank you Naval Vet. It is true that they will be 100% next year though right? I wasn't sure if it was 50 or 75% this year so thanks for the info.
    Rockwell:
    No I'm not saying Utah will necessarily decrease their seating like other schools have done. I was pointing to the fact that if other schools in the PAC 12 are decreasing their seating, than it decreases the pressure on Utah to increase right away. Btw the other schools aren't actually decreasing their stadium sizes, they're just decreasing the number of seats for season ticket holders to install luxury suites and skyboxes, etc. Still hurts fans to do that though because it lessens their opportunity for season tickets. I hope Utah knows better.
    I think Utah is doing the right thing here. In business you always strengthen and upgrade your infrastructure before you expand it. And it's not like Chris hill didn't say expansion is off the table, it's just not going to happen before other renovations. To my fellow BYU fans, Utah has other facilities that NEED to be upgraded. RES is a beautiful facility that doesn't need upgrade, only expansion.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    May 15, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    I've never seen so many fans trying so desperately to explain why their big boy conference team is incapable of expanding their tiny little stadium to big boy size.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 15, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Chewbacca

    "I'm curious to see how the millions of Cougar fans will do now that they finally have a big boy schedule."

    BYU will do just fine playing a "big boy" schedule. Unlike the Utes, BYU has been playing the big boys for decades.

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams last season, plus ACC division champ Georgia Tech, and MWC tri-champ SDSU, and still finished with an 8-5 record and #26 ranking in Sagarin.

    Utah played TWO Top 25 teams, lost to both, and finished with a losing 5-7 record and #61 ranking in Sagarin, despite all of those BYU legacy kids playing for the Utes.

    Unfortunately for U, the biggest difference between BYU and Utah isn't losing to better teams, the biggest difference is BYU doesn't lose to bad teams like 10-loss Colorado and 10-loss UNLV.

    btw, BYU and USC are the ONLY programs from the West to make Athlon's Top 25 All-Time College Football Dynasties.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    May 15, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    midmajor-

    I'm curious about a few things too.

    I'm curious to see how the millions of cougar fans will do now that they finally have a big boy schedule. Will winning 5-6 games and maybe qualifying for the no-name bowl be good enough for them? Will losing a majority of those 2 for 1 games on the road be the exposure that you wanted?

    How much of your hair will you pull out watching the on-going line of byu legacy kids committing to the U? (Jake Murphy, Harrison Handley,…)

    How will you handle the on-going line of top in-state talent (Jackson Barton, Harvey Langi,…) committing to the U?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 15, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    "Utah is also not a 100 % revenue earner until 2014...I believe they're only 50% this year, correct me if I'm wrong."

    You're wrong. This year, we'll be receiving a 75% share.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 15, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    Just curious how many of the millions of Utah fans on this mystery waiting list would be willing to shell out money year after year for season tickets to watch a team that isn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 15, 2013 3:36 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "I'm uncertain of why you and your fellow BYU-fans insist on consistently making claim, but you clearly haven't done your homework, if you believe UTAH doesn't have a seemingly endless waiting-line for season tickets, miles-long."

    That's gotta be one of the most confused comments I've ever seen on this blog, and that's saying alot.

    As Duckhunter asked, where's your proof, your detailed analysis, that apparently only you and NV are privy to? You might want to share your little secret with Chris Hill who seems to be having doubts about the wisdom of expanding RES anytime soon.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 15, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    @azute

    And of course you are going to post a "detailed, thorough break-down/analysis of" your assertion? I am going to venture a guess that you cannot, and will not.

    If there truly were ""seemingly endless waiting-line for season tickets, miles-long" then expanding rice eccles would be utah's most pressing athletic infrastructure need and the others would all be behind it. Considering the only one of the other projects that might bring in more direct revenue would be hc improvements then your assertions appear to be...well...."frantic amd emotional".

    I look forward to your "detailed, thorough break-down/analysis" of your assertions.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 15, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    Magna Ute

    If Cougsndawgs' statement is true, that

    "...some PAC 12 schools are actually decreasing the size of their stadiums despite waiting lists for season tickets. To me this is positive proof that schools no longer care about the fans but about their bottom line..."

    That should be far more disturbing for Utah fans than simple cash flow impediments to expansion. What that's really saying is that Utah has become just another money-grubbing institution that's far more concerned with money, than its own fans.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 15, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs- You are awfully reasonable and level-headed for a Cougar fan posting here on a Ute article. Thanks for adding to the conversation instead of just stirring the pot.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Where's your proof that UTAH wouldn't be able to fill-up R.E.S., post-expansion?"

    Where's your proof that Utah would be able to fill up RES post expansion?

    Actions speak louder than words, and the fact that Chris Hill is hesitant to move forward on expansion plans is clear proof that your own AD has doubts about Utah fans being able to consistently fill RES, especially if the losing season, no bowl trend continues.

    All Hill has to do to find evidence of how fickle Utah's fan base is, is look a couple blocks east of RES to the HC, which has become a vast sea of empty red chairs.

    If money is the issue, then why aren't all of these "endless lines" of Utah fans helping cash-strapped Utah with private contributions to fund Utah's stadium expansion?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    My understanding is that some PAC 12 schools are actually decreasing the size of their stadiums despite waiting lists for season tickets. To me this is positive proof that schools no longer care about the fans but about their bottom line. They make far more in media revenue than ticket and concession sells for games. Utah is also not a 100 % revenue earner until 2014...I believe they're only 50% this year, correct me if I'm wrong. To me this seems to make expansion of RES a low priority...and if you've been to the U campus recently, it is true they need major upgrades with other facilities. I've told people for a long time during alignment that this is why BYU doesn't care about the money they would get from a conference. They already have better facilities than half the BCS schools because they are a rich private institution. I think expanding RES would be stupid right now based on their present needs. I also don't believe Utah would have any problem selling 15000 more seats. My bro in law and sister talk about the lines and people waiting, so I don't think that's an issue.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    @ Swoop--

    Where's your proof that UTAH wouldn't be able to fill-up R.E.S., post-expansion? Just simply pointing to Dr. Hill not immediately proceeding forward with it, doesn't even remotely come close to making any sense, whatsoever, nor has this ever been stated as the primary-cause for delay.

    You people haven't come close to making a case for it and, on the contrary, only serve to strengthen what it is we've been laying claim to as the primary-reason for momentarily delaying it, regarding its cost. We're currently wrapping-up the construction of our brand-new, state of the art Football Facility, for instance, and have other sports we're allocating funds to, as well.

    Again, provide definitive evidence of this theory of yours that the real issue at hand is this notion that UTAH is concerned about being able to fill-up R.E.S., once they've in fact completed its expansion. I sincerely look forward to your detailed, thorough break-down/analysis of it. Thanks in advance!!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    You can ignore reality if it helps you sleep at night, but as CG correctly stated:

    "... IF the Utes had a fan base capable of regularly filling a larger stadium, RES would have been expanded years ago."

    The only reason RES was slightly expanded in the first place, was to accommodate the 2002 Olympics. Ten years later, RES still sits at 45,000+ capacity, with no firm plans for expansion.

    That's LESS than BYU averaged in 1981, the year BEFORE less was expanded to 65,000+.

    IF Utah really did have a "seemingly endless waiting-line for season tickets, miles-long", there's absolutely no reason Chris Hill wouldn't be moving full speed ahead on expanding RES.

    Despite the whiny excuse making coming from the hill, actions speak MUCH louder than words.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    CG--

    "The truth is, if the Utes had a fan base capable of regularly filling a larger stadium, RES would have been expanded years ago. Money isn't the main issue here. Having a large enough fan base to fill a larger stadium is the real issue."

    I'm uncertain of why you and your fellow byu-fans insist on consistently making claim, but you clearly haven't done your homework, if you believe UTAH doesn't have a seemingly endless waiting-line for season tickets, miles-long. Filling-out their expanded-stadium isn't even remotely the issue here. On the contrary, it's 100% as Naval Vet so eloquently stated it when he referenced our portion of our conference's revenue-sharing. Attempting to dispute this irrefutable fact in no way renders it untrue, whatsoever.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 15, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Little brother Y, the fact that you think the stadium was the Utes' most glaring disparity in facilities shows exactly how little you know about the school, and brings your credibility on the subject into question. And that's just your comment, your username already removes all doubt as to your lack of credibility.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 15, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    @naval

    The wonderful thing about the internet is you can go right to the state auditors website and get a full report on utah's athletic department, its revenue and its expenses.

    If as you claim the expansion would add 11,000 seats then it would add approximately 3.3 mil per year in added ticket revenue as an "average" season ticket cost $300 per season. Concessions would also increase by around 1 mil per year for an increase in revenue of 4.3 mil per season. That means a stadium expansion could pay for itself, with no donations at all, in about 14 years.

    But according to chris hill all of these upgrades have to be 50% paid for by donations which means that it would only take 7 years to pay for the expansion if added revenue went to that purpose because donations would offset half of the cost.

    That is a relatively short time frame and the money would not need to be taken from any other projects.

    So who isn't doing their math?

    LOL!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 15, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Maybe this will tone down some of the "revenue" chest-beating we constantly hear from the kids on the hill. When the Utes can't even afford to address their most glaring disparity in facilities, it's obvious that the PAC 12 gravy train isn't contributing nearly as much to Utah's athletic coffers as Ute fans claim.

    It's going to take years, perhaps decades, perhaps never, for our little brothers to match the facilities already in place in Provo.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 15, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    I'm with Mildred and Duckhunter. Their's only like too dozen ute "fans" at the games. Everybody else is just their to boo when they hear the byu score because byu is always winning. The u should take down half the stadium and they still couldn't fill it.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 15, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    @u25

    Wow, that UofU mentality is why Y fans will never be Ute fans! Since your so smart, why would the Y drop football?

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    May 15, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    There will be 60,000 y fans looking for a new team, when they drop football down south.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 15, 2013 4:08 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    Stadium expansion plans would add an extra 11,000 seats. How many more "millions" did you expect those extra seats would be expected to add this season? You didn't do the math did you? Nope. You were just being desperate, frantic, and emotional. Typical.

  • Jeremyh West Jordan, UT
    May 14, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    The stadium expansion has been reported to cost at least 60 Million. This is more than a complete tear down and rebuild of the stadium. The expansion would reportedly add about 10k seats. Considering the season ticket price for that approximate area for this year these seats would produce about 1.75 million a year.

    Considering there are other facilities that desperately need upgrades and there are other PAC 12 schools that are looking at ways to downsize their stadiums, I am glad that Dr. Hill is being cautious with expansion plans. The demand is there. The challenge is justifying the cost vs the income expansion will bring in. I do think it will happen eventually but for now there are other priorities.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    Duckhunter is right. Our stadium is bigger than yours and we have more fans. Now if we could ever beat U, we'd be set.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    May 14, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    Wow,

    presumably grown men comparing the size of their stadiums.

    Must be compensating.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    @naval

    You are of course "frantically and emotionally" wrong about this. As I stated if chris hill and the rest of the utah administration really thought the utah "fan"base would actually fill an expanded rice eccles then they would do it since that would hypothetically generate far more revenue than they are currently getting and help fund all of those other things they are doing that you claim are keeping them from expanding the stadium. In otherwords if you were correct stadium expansion, and its resulting increase in revenue, would fund those other projects you claim are keeping the money away from stadium expansion.

    But of course they don't think utah "fans" will fill it, they know they are pretty much topped out and they have ample evidence, which you conveniently didn't mention, by the last several years of little to no attendance at the hc.

    No plans to expand mean just that, no plans to expand. It is hard to be any more clear than that.

    LOL!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 14, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    The howling wind that U hear is all of the hot air being let out of the RES expansion balloon.

    Duckhunter was correct in his assessment that there are only about "20-30,000 "real" Utah fans out there; the rest have already proven their "loyalty", or lack thereof, with Utah's basketball team.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    tdlawton

    BYU averaged over 46,000 in 1981, the year BEFORE LES was expanded.

    For the last 30 years, BYU has averaged 60,000+.

    Call us when U have your first 60,000+ average attendance season at RES.

    ----------

    navelvet

    LOL at your "lack of funds" frantic and emotional whining. Utah fans have been telling us for years that the Utes would be swimming in cash as soon as they joined the PAC.

    It's interesting that WAC member BYU was somehow able to raise enough private donations to expand their stadium to 65,000 way back in 1982, BEFORE BYU won its National Championship, but PAC member Utah still can't scrape together enough to expand RES AFTER two BCS bowl wins.

    Obviously, all of the talk about Utah's fanbase rivaling BYU's fanbase is just a bunch of idle prattle.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 14, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    Chris Hill is smart enough to know that it's not wise to waste millions expanding a stadium that could easily become another vast sea of empty red chairs, just like the Huntsman.

    As usual, despite the grandiose "plans", the Utes are all talk, but no walk, on stadium expansion.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 14, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "...they realize the utah fanbase is about topped out..."

    Not so little bro. It isn't the "fanbase" that's been "topped out". It's the money. Stadium expansion would be the most expensive endeavor at this point, and we won't be 100% revenue sharers until the FOLLOWING season. The article was quite clear about it:

    "Utah Athletics Director Chris Hill noted there are other projects that need to get done at this time...Even so, Hill acknowledged that, 'Yes, there are things on the books about the stadium.'...Initial drawings with major changes to the south end of the stadium have already been created."

    Case closed.

    You panicked again, didn't you? Don't be so frantic and emotional.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 14, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    @magna ute fan

    If chris hill, and other university officials, really thought a stadium expansion would lead to a major increase in attendance, and therefor revenue, then they would do it as quickly as they possibly could. But they realize the utah fanbase is about topped out and although expansion would make room for more people it wouldn't automatically translate into enough of them to be worthwhile. They have seen how quickly the hc has emptied out with the demise of the basketball program and also know that the football program is on its way downhill so they wisely are waiting to see how much that will affect attendance.

    If utah can keep attendance fairly static over the next few years with the coming poor seasons then they will probably consider expanding the stadium. But they aren't going to do it now based on the ample evidence of utah's tenuous, at best "fan" base.

    They know that there are only about 20-30,000 "real" utah fans out there. The rest are simply "fans" and have a lot to prove.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 14, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    @Pavalova: "Why would they change something they can fill anyway? Works fine the way it is."

    What fantasy world are you living in?

    RES listed capacity 45,017

    2012 attendace average 45,149
    2011 attendace average 45,459
    2010 attendace average 45,156
    2009 attendace average 45,155
    2008 attendace average 45,352

    5 straight years of averaging over listed capacity Utah IS filling their stadium, that is why so many Ute fans are beating the drum for expansion.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 14, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    Boo! I think we are wasting some great opportunities right now. I would buy season tickets again if they were available. Students are graduating from the U, and hence from the MUSS. Many of them want to buy season tickets and continue going to games. But, they can't. So they will form other buying habits and many of them will be lost as potential customers.

    Come on Dr Hill! Let's get this done!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 14, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    Why would they change something they can fill anyway? Works fine the way it is.