Sounds as if the PAC 12 recognizes BYU as a big draw money tree even if they
passed them over because of their religious convictions.
A PAC-12 opponent willing to play the Y! If: Arizona projected to make 50%
more and be given twice as many complimentary tickets and PAC-12 has media
rights. I thought it was interesting the Y's copy of the contract was
shown. That way any hand written comments as to why it was structured with a
"neutral site" (in Arizona) would not be shown. If they had been some
might considered this a two for one contrary to the Y's position of never
again accepting such an agreement. Love it! Note: all games in September. I
thought only Utah wouldn't schedule them in November.
Love the neutral site games. I went the BYU vs TCU game at Cowboy stadium in
2011. There were as many BYU fans as Horned Frogs. I'm sure BYU will be
well represented at this neutral site game also.If BYU had stayed in
the MWC, and played Wyoming; I wonder what the payout would be? And would I
rather travel to Phoenix or Laramie? I'm sure by the time we get to 2016,
the schedule will look a lot like the 2013 schedue, which is just as good as a
Big12 or PAC schedule.Don't get me wrong; I'd still prefer
to be in the Big12, but Indy is so much better than MWC for football.
BYU is willing to trade some of the payoff for exposure in a market with high
concentrations of U of A alum and BYU alum. It perpetuates BYU's
philosophy that scheduling The Cougars can be lucrative because exposure, not
money, is BYU's primary motivation. This is one of the best examples of
how BYU's quest for home-home-neutral series is supposed to work.
If giving the better deal to the BCS teams is what we have to do, in order to be
able to play them, so be it.It is worth the trade difference in
order to get the exposure.Once we start winning those BCS teams on a
consistant basis, that will be the timethat we can start demanding
equality. Until than, perhaps we are not equal. We should not
complain until we can show that indeed we can win as many games or more vs those
BCS that now get the better pay.Don't we get the better
deal when we play teams like Idaho, Idaho State, UNLV. If not, perhaps we
If all were perfect and all was fair in college football, which it isn't,
we should complain about the uneven payout and advantages all going to Arizona
including money, free tickets and State that the neutral playing field is being
played in,(Arizona and not Utah, or Nevada).Since the
happenings in college football are not always fair, perhaps, we should not
complain when a team with greater National Respect, i.e. a team from a BCS
Conference, plays a Mid Major Team, be that Mid Major Team coming from a Mid
Major Conference or be they an Independent, I think that the Mid Majors should
not complain and accept the unfairness as a fact that part of the privilege of
playing the BCS team is to compensate that BCS team as indicated in the posted
contract.My question is: When BYU plays teams like Idaho or Idaho
State, do we get an advantage? Is our share of the pot larger than that of
Idaho or Idaho State or other lesser schools? Do we get more free tickets? Do
we get the advantage of where the games are played in the series?
So Arizona gets to play TWO games in AZ to only ONE game in Utah, they get twice
as many comp tickets as their opponent, scheduled to receive a 45% HIGHER
payout, and they get to play the first two games of the series up front
instate?Sure looks likes like little brother got the shorter,
"mid-majorey" end of the deal to me. Thanks Ryan Carreon! I got a good
chuckle out of your article. Were you laughing while you were writing it?
WACfaninTX:"I'm sure by the time we get to 2016, the
schedule will look a lot like the 2013 schedue, which is just as good as a Big12
or PAC schedule."Nope. You're '13 schedule is most
certainly NOT Pac-12/Big 12 worthy. There appears to be way too many mid-majors
on it to be in the same elite BCS class as the Pac-12/Big 12. I'm sure
your '16 schedule will be just as mid-majorey, if not moreso.
This payout is as good as many bowl games. The exposure for BYU is actually
better than a game in Tucson and I'm glad that there will be Big 12
referees. No more PAC12 homecooking from the officials.
I'm glad so many ankle-biters are enjoying so much trying to rile the true
blue by pointing out what this is not, rather than what it is. How
much will Utah earn that weekend?How many sets of eyes will watch
Utah's game that weekend?And IF Arizona backs out of the third
game, how much will Utah earn that year for not playing somebody?Now, for the record, I don't care about the answers. I don't care
what Utah is or isn't doing, who they are or are not playing and how much
they are or are not making. It appears Arizona is VERY happy to be playing BYU.
Playing BYU is big money.
Naval Vet,You're right, BYU's '13 schedule with 4-5
ranked teams on it isn't better than your Pac 10+2 schedule with 2 ranked
teams. Utah, CO, and WSU are to the Pac 10 what WYO, UNM, and UNLV were to the
MWC. Shoot, you don't even have the second toughest schedule in the state!
Where is your NC?:To what rankings were you referring? Neither the
AP nor the Coaches polls have been released yet, and the only polls I'd
seen thus far were titled "Way too early...".Hold
you're horses. Phil Steele will release his preseason publication in about
5-wks. Then we'll know. And I'll betcha he ranks our SOS as tougher
than yours, and you'll run off and change your handle to another name.
Not sure why anyone says that BYU gets the worse deal here. You can't tell
from the term sheet who gets the better deal. All of the commenters have only
mentioned the revenues. What about the expenses? Surely there are real
expenses right? Who pays those? Oh, it says right there, AZ pays
most of the expenses. HMMMM...... well then, is it possible that BYU walks
away with more in profits?? It's impossible to know from just this
sheet.But ignoring expenses when trying to calculate profit seems a
bit silly to me.
I chuckle at byu fans on this thread referencing, in an obviously vain attempt,
a "comparison" of our respective schedules and the strength of each.
Please. Two Top-5 teams in Stanford/UO, alone, dwarf the entirety of byu's
schedule. We all witnessed in conclusion of this last season how utterly
unworthy ND was, for instance, of ever legitimately being even remotely
considered to be at this same Elite level. No amount of Spin comes close to
altering this proven fact.Has byu succeeded in enhancing their SOS,
on paper, for 2013? Certainly, nobody disputes this, but they, unequivocally,
don't face a true, relentless week-in, week-out grind of a schedule,
whatsoever. For comparison, just simply reference our six-game stretch,
midseason, in 2013, as clear evidence.This leads up to the
three-game series this article dicusses. AIl know byu has a good size chunk of
their fanbase down here in PHX-Metro, but where do think the vast majority of ua
students relocate to, upon graduating from ua? Michigan? Florida?Not only is their fanbase enormous down here, but the figures discussed within
this article further cement how utterly one-sided it is, in BCS ua's favor.
The BCS is dead. Its funeral will be in January. So why are people still
talking about BCS conferences as if the term carries any relevance?The landscape of college football will shortly look much more like March
Madness than the BCS. While Football will never have a 64 team tournament, I
suspect they'll be at 8 (and then 12 and then 16) sooner rather than later
and there will be multiple paths to qualify...and if I am to believe those who
trumpet what a daunting death march a PAC-12 schedule is, the more feasible path
to selection may be an Independent schedule with a couple of high profile
wins.Any reasonable observer would agree the likelihood of BYU or
Utah getting in the tournament anytime soon is a long shot, but it's time
to acknowledge that membership in the PAC-12 may be more of an impediment to
Utah's chances than an advantage. It's far more likely
that either Utah or BYU would qualify for the tournament as an Independent with
two signature wins than it would be that either one of them would win the
PAC-12. BYU may indeed have the easier path.
I'm humored by the remarks over SOS by our little sisters up north.The poor Utes were so eager to play 'big boy' football and now
they bring up the sad fact that their SOS is tough. That must be 'code
speak' for an excuse to losing a lot of games.And here comes
the opportunity for BYU to play its best schedule ever and we have jealous
Utesies worried about it.LOL
BYU will likely lose money on the "neutral" site game.First,
BYU has to pay its own travel costs.Second, in order to balance the
home/away schedule Tom Holmoe will have pay an FCS team to come to LES on a one
and done basis.At best the Cougs break even.Not only
does AZ get more money for the neutral site game they won't have the same
level of travel costs, and the PAC12 owns the broadcast rights. These are the kinds of one-sided deals BYU has to agree to with its weaker
negotiating position against the big boys.
Howard,Where's your proof. What are the travel expense of the Cougs?
You really think they are over $800k?Also, what are AZ costs to host the
event? What is their advertising budget etc.Do you know your statement to
be true or are you estimating? If they lose money I'd like to know.
RE: AZUte"Has byu succeeded in enhancing their SOS, on paper,
for 2013? Certainly, nobody disputes this, but they, unequivocally, don't
face a true, relentless week-in, week-out grind of a schedule,
whatsoever."Seriously? Well, let's see, the most
criticized part of BYU's schedule has always been November scheduling, so
let's use that as a comparison...Utah's 2013 November
games: ASU, Oregon, WSU, Colorado.BYU's 2013 November games:
Wisconsin, Idaho State, Notre Dame, NevadaNow, I agree that
Utah's schedule for 2013 is pretty solid and the six week grind you
referenced (which includes BYU) will certainly be tough. But you can't
honestly say that BYU isn't facing an equally tough slate. Texas, Boise
State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame are as good or better than the top four teams
the Utes face. Both teams are looking at very difficult schedules for 2013.
Wiscougarfan--"Seriously? Well, let's see, the most
criticized part of BYU's schedule has always been November scheduling, so
let's use that as a comparison...Utah's 2013 November
games: ASU, Oregon, WSU, Colorado.BYU's 2013 November games:
Wisconsin, Idaho State, Notre Dame, Nevada"November? No,
it's been the entirety of their schedule which has consistently been under
scrutiny. Last year was merely an extreme ex RE: Nov, but byu's sched is
punctuated with weeks off in between their tougher games, annually. 2013 is no
exception, with two strategically placed bye-weeks prior to games against
UTAH/WISC, MTSU GT from the weak ACC, UH, ID ST and a UNR team whose time in the
sun has clearly run its course, particularly with breaking in a brand-new HC in
replacing their legend.
[Cont'd]Furthermore, this six-game stretch I referenced did NOT
include byu, but I could've extended it to eight-games by including
OSU/byu, four on the road. byu's schedule doesn't even remotely touch
it in level-of-difficulty and Stanford/UO, alone, are light-years ahead of any
two teams on byu's schedule. Both of these schools are legitimate Top-5
teams. Our six-/eight-games stretch[es] is 100% relentless, which is
unequivocally foreign to byu.
RE: AZUTE1"Stanford/UO, alone, are light-years ahead of any two
teams on byu's schedule."Last year Wisconsin played in the
Rose bowl and Notre Dame played in the National Championship. Light years? Try
LOL at the Ute fans here still trying to prove themselves. This article is
about BYU and Arizona...Not your Juco commuter school in Salt Lake. Sorry you
didn't get in. Bye.
RE: AZUTE1If you're talking about "entirety of their
schedule" than why do you leave off who Utah is playing at the beginning and
end of their season (USU, Weber State, WSU, Colorado)? That doesn't look
like "a true, relentless week-in, week-out grind of a schedule" to me.
Indeed, that looks very much like New Mexico, Idaho, etc.
Wiscougarfan--"Last year Wisconsin played in the Rose bowl and
Notre Dame played in the National Championship. Light years? Try again."Last year, WISC backed-into their conf champ game/The Rose Bowl as the
third-place finisher in their division behind OSU/PSU, both of which WISC lost
to, due to these two schools having been previously rendered ineligible for the
post-season. Furthermore, WISC lost to none other than, Stanford, in The Rose
Bowl.Regarding ND, the epic-fashion in which they were so
utterly/thoroughly destroyed in The NC Game, they not only proved they had zero
business playing in this game, in the first place, but showed they belonged
nowhere even remotely within the Top-10. Try again. And while you're at
it, go ahead and address the entirety of my previous comment. Thanks in
Wiscougarfan--This 8-game stretch constitutes 2/3 of UTAH's
schedule and is the perfect illustration for a 100% relentless, week-in/week-out
grind of a schedule which, literally, offers not even remotely even one, single
week of reprieve, whatsoever.Furthermore, byu also plays a usu team
which we both know, unequivocally, is not even remotely close to being the
perennial bottom-feeder they've been know to be, historically. And Weber
State is light-years ahead of what is arguably the single worst program in all
of the FCS in Idaho State. WAZZU/CU are not world-beaters, but they possess
significantly greater overall talent/coaching than MTSU/UH/UNR, combined.
Again, GT hails from the weak-ACC.byu's schedule is punctuated
with weeks-off in-between their tougher games, throughout. This fact is so
blatantly obvious, it's utterly mind-boggling that you're even
remotely conceiving of debating it, let alone actually following through with
it. Surreal, actually.
WON84"LOL at the Ute fans here still trying to prove themselves.
This article is about BYU and Arizona...Not your Juco commuter school in Salt
Lake. Sorry you didn't get in. Bye."Huh? Didn't get
in? What in the world are you talking about? And in typical-fashion, you
don't even bother specifically commenting on what the article, itself,
discussed, but rather merely reference the two-schools mentioned.
AZUTE1Sorry, I was just trying to apply Ute-logic to your statements
so I based my previous comment of "strength of a team" by BCS bowl
appearances, which is usually the only metric that holds up when discussing
football with Ute fans. Since the two most prestigious bowls (again, according
to Ute fans) are the Rose Bowl and the National Championship (probably in that
order) I figured that two teams that played in those bowls last season would be
considered formidable opponents. Of course more rational people
would look at end-of-season rankings as a more accurate metric for a team's
success. Last season Oregon (#2) and Stanford (#7) did indeed finish high. But
I don't know if that is light years ahead of Notre Dame (#4), USU (#16),
Boise State (#18), and Texas (#19). If you're going to make
outlandish claims (i.e. "Two Top-5 teams dwarf the entirety of byu's
schedule") maybe you should try providing evidence to back those claims.
Especially when your claims go contrary to what all other trolls are saying
(i.e. BYU's schedule is weak because it includes a few Idaho-type teams).
I find it funny that Utah fans want to say how much tougher their schedule is.
There's only two reasons for programs to bring up how strong their SOS is.
1) to make an argument about deserving to be in the NC and future final four
playoff or 2) to make excuses for their failures. We all know which one fits
Utah...and will for the foreseeable future. So whenever Utah fans bring up SOS
all I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses. I've already said it before avg
BCS ranking of Utah's opponents was 47.63 to BYUs 55.16 last year. Those
are human voters and computers rankings, arguably the most accurate there could
be. The week in week out argument is just another excuse...Utah didn't have
to play the top end teams BYU did, which take a lot out if a team especially
when you have to face them on the road. It's time to put up or shut up for
Utah, otherwise SOS arguments are just excuses.
AZUTE: I also love how you minimize ND because they were easily beat in
the NC and Wisconsin because they backed into the rose bowl and were beat by
"none other than Stanford".Well lets see, using your logic this
makes Stanford so much better..."light years" ahead of ND and Wisconsin
(your words). Oh, except that Stanford lost to ND, and ND beat USC in Los
Angeles. It appears ND would have done just fine in the PAC 12 last year. So
either you're saying the PAC 12 isn't as good as you think it is, or
ND is better than you're giving them credit. Which is it?As far as
Wisconsin they shredded a pretty good Nebraska team in the big ten CG last year,
and by all accounts are expecting their second half of the season improvements
from last year carry over to this year. Again, it just sounds like excuses and
whining when you try and minimize BYUs opponents to make your schedule look
tougher. Utah's schedule was indeed tougher, just not by much, and BYUs top
end opponents were definitely tougher despite your failed attempts at
I hope Ute fans have as much interest in their won team as they have in BYU. For
some it is becoming a fetish.
@Won84andnothingelse.........."your Juco commuter school in Salt
Lake"LOL...Cougies have lost 4 in a row 9 of 12 after this year
and have been absolutley dominated not only in last couple of decades but
overall by a Juco commuter school in Salt Lake.
Naval Vet,Are you going to the game? You seem to have more interest
in BYU football than Utah football. I am a vet also so I would like to make a
request. Please represent us better! Mocking words and slurs drag down our
military image. Please be aware of who you are and who you represent? Thanks
and thanks for your service!
Some Ute fans here sound like they're trying to start an elementary school
playground-style name calling fight. Give me a break! Both BYU and Utah will
play great schedules this season. BYU will just have better exposure while doing
To those Utah fans talking about tough competition every week I have 1 question.
Why did Chris Hill stop the rivalry? He said that Utah has too tough of a
schedule and he needs to drop BYU because they can't play that caliber of
competition every week. BYU and UTAH have had very similar competition the past
two years and have very similar schedules this year. SOS doesn't matter,
wins are what matter. Utah couldn't even get into their conference
championship game and that was without playing the two toughest teams in the
PAC12. BYU and Utah have a lot to prove this season to show the country what
kind of programs they really are. They only beat us these past 3 years because
Riley was our QB. Now we won't have that as an excuse so let's see
what happens this year. GO COUGS!!!
2BCSWINSWest of I15, UTTalk about BYU fans living in a bubble!
Only on the hill do they count a win in the future based on the last game. Of special interest, Utah fans were predicting a total annihilation of
BYU this last year based on the humiliation from the year before, this game
being played in slc, superior recruiting, PAC whatever officials, and on, and
on. Keep predicting, but I predict that BYU fans will be teaching Utah fans
the proper way to storm the field.
I just took the "under" on Utah winning less than 5 games this year... I
have them for 3 and possibly 4 wins max...On BYU take the over at 8
games... I believe they win 9 or possibly 10...
I see that the DN censors are doing their lopsided editing again...Typical...
When does the Utah Alums and Utah Biased editors go home so that we can have
equal editing again? You (MR. Censorship) need to be fair and equal on what you
allow to be printed... There is nothing wrong with what I said and you denied
it... Yet you let AZUTE, Naval Vet, and Chris B come out with defaming remarks
all day and all night long...I want to appeal your denial, so please
tell us all you do that???
@ AZUTELet me give you a few corrections to your post... ND beat
Stanford last year and Stanford beat Oregon, yet you think that ND was weak in
comparison??? General rule of thumb... It's hard to convince anyone that a
given team is weaker than the teams they beat.Your post at
Wiscougarfan was amusing... You could tell that as you were writing it that you
knew your point was becoming weaker by the word... Wisconsin, ND, Nevada and yes
Idaho State as a group are every bit as tough opponents as ASU, Oregon, WSU and
Colorado... In fact the only decent team in that last group, based on records
the past 5 years, is Oregon... Then you quickly want to jump away from the
November comparison because you know your logic had crumbled... Classic.Then to suggest we needed a week off to prepare for Utah after playing
Texas? I had to laugh out loud at that one. Truth is that BYU plays only 2 teams
that are weaker than Utah on their 2013 schedule... ISU and MTSU (and the second
one is a maybe)... In other words, Utah would go 2-10 with the Cougs 2013
@poymanThat is standard practice for dnews censors. They appear to
be utah "fans" and allow other utah "fans" to post anything they
like. For awhile they were even allowing them to post 600 word novels while
limiting BYU fans to the supposed 200 word minimum. Meanwhile even the tamest of
remarks that in anyway expose the truth about utah, and its "fans", is
generally censored right out of existence.
Pac 12 has the TV rights? So Utah could make money on the revenue from the game?