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  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    May 15, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Here are some observations I have made from this conversation:

    1) Ute fans believe that mere membership in the PAC trumps anything BYU could have.
    2) Ute fans believe a win against BYU is more of an accomplishment than achieving a bowl game.
    3) Cougar fans realize that Ute players play extra well against BYU while Ute fans believe it is pure dominance. However, this head-to-head comparison is only made by Ute fans when they beat BYU (for example, when they lost to Colorado that wasn't a fair comparison of the two teams).
    4) Ute fans laugh at BYU coaches and players for shooting for the stars, but then admit that they themselves do (and then claim that BYU doesn't shoot for the stars).
    5) Ute fans believe their team's strength of schedule means they will always be better than BYU. They do not realize that pollsters already consider strength of schedule (meaning a team ranked #25 in a poll is ranked there because their SOS didn't justify any higher/lower; thus created the differences in the different polls).

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    May 15, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    I for one wouldn't want to trade places with the U. Here's why. The BCS is dead. Its funeral will be in January.

    The landscape of college football will shortly look much more like March Madness than the BCS. While Football will never have a 64 team tournament, I suspect they'll be at 8 (and then 12 and then 16) sooner rather than later and there will be multiple paths to qualify...and if I am to believe those who trumpet what a daunting death march a PAC-12 schedule is, the more feasible path to selection may be an Independent schedule with a couple of high profile wins.

    Any reasonable observer would agree the likelihood of BYU or Utah getting in the tournament anytime soon is a long shot, but it's time to acknowledge that membership in the PAC-12 may be more of an impediment to Utah's chances than an advantage.

    It's far more likely that either Utah or BYU would qualify for the tournament as an Independent with two signature wins than it would be that either one of them would win the PAC-12. BYU may indeed have the clearer path to the tournament.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 14, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    Howard S.
    Taylorsville, UT

    Well, one of us is sitting there with a losing record, no bowl game and beating his chest. You tell me who has the over-developed sense of hype.

    Kind of sad, really. You have a seat at the big boy table, money rolling in, better recruits than you've ever had, yet all you want to do is try to take away what your brother has. U have an over developed sense of "little" and "petty", I'd say.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    May 14, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Howard S. / ek / etc. - Why are you here to defend the fort? This is an article about BYU, not the Pac 12 or Utah. Why aren't you off harassing your rival?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 14, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    A legacy of losing to Utah.
    A legacy of losing bowl games.
    An over developed fantasy that football vs Utah doesn't matter.

    Let's be honest...You're sitting there right now polishing them old trophies and thinking about them sparkling new Pac12 emblems up on The Hill. lol.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    "...an over developed sense of hope."
    ***********

    An over developed sense of "hype" is a more apt description of Cougar Nation.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    Silent Lurker
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    You would lose the bet, don't quit your day job.

    Despite popular opinion on the hill, most BYU fans do not suffer from blue lens myopia. We do, however, come equipped, for the most part, with an over developed sense of hope.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 13, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT

    "drooling over the variety of shiny trophies"
    ******************

    Cougar Nation clings desperately to legacy and aging shiny trophies as if they had relevance in the modern era of college football.

    If legacy and shiny trophies had any current relevance the power conferences would be beating a path the BYU's door.

    But alas... BYU is relegated to reflecting on the glory of its legacy and polishing those aging trophies while waiting for that phone call from the PAC12 or the BIG12.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 13, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    ikute

    Unlike several of U Utesies that live and die by the scoreboard of one game and go silent and are ashamed/embarrassed when your team goes belly up at the end of the season and bowl-less my life as a Cougar fan goes on with wins or losses. I enjoy the sport, the competition and the rivalry.

    You see, BYU has many sports that it excels in. BYU is not some one trick pony trying to be something it is not. BYU just continues to move forward.

    Except for a couple months out of the year these webpages are full of BYU accomplishments.

    At the U we read about a few accomplishments but a lot more drama these days... swimming, rugby, player discipline, light suspensions... you name the topic and we can find it in the Ute section.

    Trading places for a train wreck? ... sorry, nothing appealing about the several problems at the U.

    Jealous over a trophy competition? Nope.

    Let's be honest... I'm sure there would be a slobbery mess of you drooling over the variety of shiny trophies if you toured the Legacy Hall down here in Provo.

    A legacy vs. 2 BCS banners... LOL

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    Great to have these young men enter the program. Good hunting.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 13, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    @ ygrad/dad
    I bet that was painful for you to admit/write. Perhaps this year when you don't have seven or eight gimmes on you schedule you will realize what it is like to play a competitive schedule. If BYU makes a bowl game this year they will have earned it for the first time in many years.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 13, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    I'm surprised we underperformed last year. Normally we have tons of NFL talent all over the line.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 13, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    ekute
    Layton, UT

    "You guys incessantly try to play down our dominance on the field.
    So in the unlikely occurrence that byu wins over Utah this fall, will you guys politely congratulate us on a good game then quietly go home?"

    If in the likely occurence we do beat Utah this September, it will probably be on the last play, come from behind, seeing as so many of the games have come down to that.

    I don't think most of the cougar fans will proclaim dominance, as winning by a blocked field goal, or an overtime touchdown when two defenders tackle each other instead of the tight end, while a magnificent win, is not dominance.

    And I think most cougar fans will be smart enough to proclaim the quality of the vanquished foe, if at all possible. It is just plain foolish to brag about dominance over a rival you proclaim to be mediocre at best.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 13, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    "Ute arrogance is something else to behold isn't it?"
    Does the truth hurt? lol.

    "Other than a possibility to win a conference championship trophy"
    Jealous? lol.

    "the Utes have nothing that BYU doesn't already have access to."
    You got that one backwards my frantic and emotional friend. lol.

    "Squandered miserably"
    As in byU's attempts to get into a major conference. lol.

    "... love to trade places...?"
    And end that losing streak in your most important game every year. lol.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 13, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    "Honestly, wouldn't you guys love to trade places with us right now?"

    Ute arrogance is something else to behold isn't it?

    Other than a possibility to win a conference championship trophy (which the Utes really don't have a remote chance at doing), the Utes have nothing that BYU doesn't already have access to.

    "Squandered miserably" was well said.

    The Utes wandering off to hang on to the coattails of the PAC10 will be a continuing source of comedic relief for several of us and a sad tail for its fans for a long time.

    "... love to trade places...?

    Hardly

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    May 12, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    As a Cougar fan, I don't think we have the right to talk crap to Ute fans. We did in the 80's and 90's, but now we don't. Until the players and coaching staff get it together, we should lick our wounds quietly. I feel that BYU's will return to beating our little brothers from the north soon (your are the little brothers, fans who rush the field after beating a 9-4 team that was average at best show how big a deal it is for little brother to beat big brother.) If we beat Utah in September, I say we should not rush the field, because we are simply restoring the true order of importance. Let Ute fans beat their chest about being in the Pac-12. They will be little fish in the big pond and nobody will even remeber there is a Pac 12 team in Utah.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 12, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    Grad / Y Dad

    Squandered miserably?

    While Cougar Nation would love to declare the demise of Utah football, it's a little early to declare Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 a squandered opportunity.

    It's only been two years.

    Despite the loss to Colorado, Utah's first year in the PAC was a success by any measure. Year 2 was a challenge, but I know of no Ute fan who expected to compete immediately for a conference championship.

    Utah's progress toward PAC12 competitiveness is reflected in its recruiting results. The fact is that Whit's three recruiting classes since the PAC12 announcement have been independently ranked as his best classes ever. By comparison, Bronco's three recruiting classes since the announcement of independence have been independently ranked as his worst classes ever.

    The point is that Utah has a place at the big-boy table. With each passing conference realignment it appears that BYU will remain on the outside looking in for a looooooong time.

    Oh, and maybe BYU could have played better last year... but Utah could have played better too. The bottom line is that you can't be relieved of the fact that your team lost.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 12, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    Well, we will be home.

    Perhaps I didn't clarify myself as well as I had hoped. BYU is pretty predictable. We win the games we're supposed to, we lose the games we're supposed to. We don't often surprise many people. Therefore, it's pretty easy to think, "last year, Utah was a little bit better than BYU. The year before, Utah was hugely better than BYU."

    The problem is, Utah has always been a little unpredictable, and the last two years they've been off the charts unpredictable. Serious, the team that slaughtered BYU at Provo, loses to Colorado at SLC???

    This last season? Connect the dots and what you come up with is either Utah out coaches BYU and plays out-of-their-minds ball against their rival (which in no way denigrates the accomplishment), or BYU chokes, which I'll admit is an unintended slap at at both teams.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 12, 2013 8:46 p.m.

    "Utah fans think that their victory over BYU is a true benchmark"

    You guys incessantly try to play down our dominance on the field.
    So in the unlikely occurrence that byu wins over Utah this fall, will you guys politely congratulate us on a good game then quietly go home?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 12, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    ek,

    Reasonable questions. I DO like independence. It is the best we could have done with circumstances being what they are. Would I have loved an invite to the PAC? Of course, or the Big Whatever either. But absolutely not at the expense of our values, thus end of discussion for the PAC. And now that we've enjoyed some of the benefits of independence, that tv thing may well keep us permanently out of any conference discussions. Even if we were in consideration.

    Could we have done any better? Here is what I honestly think, blue glasses aside. Utah fans think that their victory over BYU is a true benchmark, and therefore BYU could not have done any better. I think Utah plays BYU out of their heads (or BYU chokes against Utah, you choose) and then Utah under-performs. Has done for the last two years.

    Yes, I think last year BYU would have done better.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 12, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    Honestly, wouldn't you guys love to trade places with us right now?
    And can you honestly say that byu would of done any better then Utah, their first 2 years in the "Pac whatever".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 12, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    Things are lush and green in the tri-cities right now, but quickly turn dull and brown as we get into summer and then fall. Will it be the same for byu when they are confronted by their overwhelming schedule?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 12, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    ekute
    Layton, UT

    Lets establish some details. Yes, Utah owns scoreboard, has for three years, may for three more. We will see.

    No, the universe does not revolve around a team, or its fan base, that has had progressively worse records, culminating most recently in a losing season and failure to participate in a bowl game.

    Your ownership of scoreboard, temporary or not, does not relieve you of the fact that your team has gotten worse and that your fans very nearly cost their team another loss in a season of which those were had in abundance.

    U got the better end of the stick with your invitation to the PAC whatever. There, I said it. U've squandered it miserably.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 12, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    "falling short" 3 times in a row (2012) is "bad form".

    Claiming superiority over a team that owns you on the field is "bad form".

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 12, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    Howard S.
    Taylorsville, UT

    "Oh and as for rushing the the field on September 21, 2013... it's really not good form to rush the field when you've lost the game."

    I will have to bow to experience on this one. Utah certainly knows about losing games. Also Utah is expert in bad form when it comes to rushing the field.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 12, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs
    @sammyg

    Shooting for the stars is fraught with challenge.

    Sometimes lofty goals result in stumbling and falling short of the mark.

    Some prefer the satisfaction of modest goals that are easily achieved.

    Enjoy the satisfaction of third tier bowl games.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 12, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    howie... speaker of UteNation

    "Utes choose to shoot for the stars"...

    Really?

    I'm sorry howie, the harsh reality of the Ute Christmas break was a summary lockout for miserable performance brought on by poor coaching, poor recruiting in certain ignored positions and some performance issues on the field, etc.

    To suggest "falling short" was planned for "shooting for the stars" is pretty funny and a complete denial of reality.

    Can we expect more 'planned' "falling short" moments from the Utes?

    The continuing descent of your Utes to below mediocrity (aka < .500 conference showing) accelerates.

    Enjoy the ride!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 12, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Howie:
    I'd worry more about Utah's inexperience on a defense that wasn't very good last year when it had experience. Utah has their own problems that will asuradly have them sitting home again for the holidays. As far as bowl games..."shooting for the stars"? Most people realize when they can't see the stars anymore they come down from the clouds and shoot for something more realistic. Ute fans are the exception with many of them still holding the rose bowl and a PAC CC as realistic in the near future. Instead of shooting for the stars, try shooting for .500. The PAC12 honeymoon is over, either start producing or join the ranks of irrelevant teams in big conferences. I'm sure Vanderbilt, Minnesota, Iowa St, wash St, northwestern et al would love the company.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 11, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    If it wasn't for hoping to beat Utah, Cougar Nation would have no hope at all.

    As for bowl games and sitting home... The Utes choose to shoot for the the stars, even if it means falling short, than to have a third tier bowl game as their ceiling.

    Hang on to that good feeling... it was probably the same feeling you had just before mid-night on September 15, 2012.

    Oh and as for rushing the the field on September 21, 2013... it's really not good form to rush the field when you've lost the game.

  • pacificblue55 SANDY, UT
    May 11, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    The only reason a BYU hater dedicate his life commenting on byu related articles is because BYU gotten under his skin. It's like an addiction. A very unhealthy one.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 11, 2013 8:43 p.m.

    Re Howard: "Oh, and hold on to next year because when it comes to Utah, "wait until next year" is all the Cougar Nation has."

    Lately, Utah hasn't even had "wait'll next year." Granted, you have had BYU, three years running, but in the U's slow, painful decline, you've reached a point where that is all you've had. Last year, your season was over the evening of September 17th.

    So we're inexperienced in some key areas, Utah returns experience at losing out and sitting home. I have a good feeling this year, the tide changes, and u will have to live with a BYU victory for a few years. I think I should be in Provo this year, just to show Utah fans again the right way to rush the field.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 11, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT

    You're really going to mock Utah for playing an injured QB with an empty bench... Really...
    Do the initials RN mean anything to you.

    As for rushing the field... when the Utes win all is good.

    As for Brian Johnson... the guy holds a 4-1 record against BYU as a player and coach. I'll take that brand to stupid every day of the week... and so would you.

    As for next year... The Utes aren't relying on o-linemen that have yet to show up on campus, the Utes aren't relying on coaches who have yet to coach a division 1 game, and the Utes aren't relying on an inexperienced/injured QB.

    But if inexperience and uncertainty on the offensive side of the ball make you happy... then enjoy because you have it in abundance.

    Oh, and hold on to next year because when it comes to Utah, "wait until next year" is all the Cougar Nation has.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 11, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    Ute lessons learned from stupidity...

    1) Don't play a quarterback who's not fully recovered from an injury.
    2) Don't have an empty quarterback bench
    3) Year two... don't play the same quarterback who's not fully recovered from a previous, previous injury.
    4) Don't have an empty quarterback bench
    5) Don't rush the field until the game is over
    6) Don't rush the field until the game is over
    7) Don't hire a kid off the street to replace Norm Chow and say it's a great move. We knew it wasn't. (oops my bad, no one else wanted the job, beggars can't be choosers)
    8) Year two, hire a second OC to really replace the kid and say it's a co-OC when we all know it's not.

    So howie, how many repeats of 'stupid' do we have running concurrently in Uteville?

    And how's that new offense, new quarterback,new o-line, new defense and new OC thing working out?

    It's going to be great seeing you guys choke in Provo and singing Christmas carols again.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 11, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    manaen1
    Buena Park, CA

    Something stupid?

    Well, let's let the results of stupid speak for themselves... against BYU Utah has won 3 of the last 3, and 8 of the last 11.

    Oh, and if inexperienced offensive linemen and coaches running a new system with an inexperienced/injured QB doesn't worry you... well, then you're just not facing reality.

  • manaen1 Buena Park, CA
    May 11, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    @ Howard S. - 10:59 p.m. May 10, 2013
    You make it sound so risky. Don't worry, it's not like this program would do something stupid like give the OC position to someone with no experience.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2013 10:27 a.m.

    We are going to have the best O-line in the country.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    May 11, 2013 2:57 a.m.

    ...Sir

    I am sure you are right. Lots of Utah players and student envy Kearsley. It is special to make it to BYU...he did...they didn't. I know they must be disappointed.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 10, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    New offensive linemen who aren't even on campus yet...

    New offensive coaches some of whom have never coached a division 1 game...

    An inexperienced QB coming back from a serious knee injury...

    And a brand new offense...

    Sounds like a formula for success against one of the toughest schedules BYU has ever played.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 10, 2013 8:57 p.m.

    There are so many Utes pulling for Brayden Kearsley! Here's hoping he can get into the Utah/BYU game! I know all of the Utah players don't want to have to wait until 2016 to let Mr Kearsley know what we think of him!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 10, 2013 8:20 p.m.

    Offensive line play was probably the worst I've seen in a long time for BYU last year. I hope this group can make the adjustments and hit the ground running so the offense can be more solid this year. We also MUST get better passing from the QB position. Taysom Hill is a great runner, and good athlete, but his passing will need to be greatly improved to make him a true duel threat QB and run Anae's offense efficiently.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    May 10, 2013 7:27 p.m.

    Tough coming in with a lot of new faces, especially in the case of offensive lineman. But last years performance warrants change and it sounds like coaches are taking the approach that they have a good crop of players and it will be up to them to see if they can coach them up and get them ready for the new offensive calls.

    We will need high performance from this group to accomplish things this year. This is one area we will improve on over last year.