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Published: Friday, May 10 2013 5:20 p.m. MDT

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Layton, UT

Honestly, wouldn't you guys love to trade places with us right now?
And can you honestly say that byu would of done any better then Utah, their first 2 years in the "Pac whatever".

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA


Reasonable questions. I DO like independence. It is the best we could have done with circumstances being what they are. Would I have loved an invite to the PAC? Of course, or the Big Whatever either. But absolutely not at the expense of our values, thus end of discussion for the PAC. And now that we've enjoyed some of the benefits of independence, that tv thing may well keep us permanently out of any conference discussions. Even if we were in consideration.

Could we have done any better? Here is what I honestly think, blue glasses aside. Utah fans think that their victory over BYU is a true benchmark, and therefore BYU could not have done any better. I think Utah plays BYU out of their heads (or BYU chokes against Utah, you choose) and then Utah under-performs. Has done for the last two years.

Yes, I think last year BYU would have done better.

Layton, UT

"Utah fans think that their victory over BYU is a true benchmark"

You guys incessantly try to play down our dominance on the field.
So in the unlikely occurrence that byu wins over Utah this fall, will you guys politely congratulate us on a good game then quietly go home?

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Well, we will be home.

Perhaps I didn't clarify myself as well as I had hoped. BYU is pretty predictable. We win the games we're supposed to, we lose the games we're supposed to. We don't often surprise many people. Therefore, it's pretty easy to think, "last year, Utah was a little bit better than BYU. The year before, Utah was hugely better than BYU."

The problem is, Utah has always been a little unpredictable, and the last two years they've been off the charts unpredictable. Serious, the team that slaughtered BYU at Provo, loses to Colorado at SLC???

This last season? Connect the dots and what you come up with is either Utah out coaches BYU and plays out-of-their-minds ball against their rival (which in no way denigrates the accomplishment), or BYU chokes, which I'll admit is an unintended slap at at both teams.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Grad / Y Dad

Squandered miserably?

While Cougar Nation would love to declare the demise of Utah football, it's a little early to declare Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 a squandered opportunity.

It's only been two years.

Despite the loss to Colorado, Utah's first year in the PAC was a success by any measure. Year 2 was a challenge, but I know of no Ute fan who expected to compete immediately for a conference championship.

Utah's progress toward PAC12 competitiveness is reflected in its recruiting results. The fact is that Whit's three recruiting classes since the PAC12 announcement have been independently ranked as his best classes ever. By comparison, Bronco's three recruiting classes since the announcement of independence have been independently ranked as his worst classes ever.

The point is that Utah has a place at the big-boy table. With each passing conference realignment it appears that BYU will remain on the outside looking in for a looooooong time.

Oh, and maybe BYU could have played better last year... but Utah could have played better too. The bottom line is that you can't be relieved of the fact that your team lost.

idaho cougar fan
Twin Falls, ID

As a Cougar fan, I don't think we have the right to talk crap to Ute fans. We did in the 80's and 90's, but now we don't. Until the players and coaching staff get it together, we should lick our wounds quietly. I feel that BYU's will return to beating our little brothers from the north soon (your are the little brothers, fans who rush the field after beating a 9-4 team that was average at best show how big a deal it is for little brother to beat big brother.) If we beat Utah in September, I say we should not rush the field, because we are simply restoring the true order of importance. Let Ute fans beat their chest about being in the Pac-12. They will be little fish in the big pond and nobody will even remeber there is a Pac 12 team in Utah.

Springville, UT

"Honestly, wouldn't you guys love to trade places with us right now?"

Ute arrogance is something else to behold isn't it?

Other than a possibility to win a conference championship trophy (which the Utes really don't have a remote chance at doing), the Utes have nothing that BYU doesn't already have access to.

"Squandered miserably" was well said.

The Utes wandering off to hang on to the coattails of the PAC10 will be a continuing source of comedic relief for several of us and a sad tail for its fans for a long time.

"... love to trade places...?


Layton, UT

"Ute arrogance is something else to behold isn't it?"
Does the truth hurt? lol.

"Other than a possibility to win a conference championship trophy"
Jealous? lol.

"the Utes have nothing that BYU doesn't already have access to."
You got that one backwards my frantic and emotional friend. lol.

"Squandered miserably"
As in byU's attempts to get into a major conference. lol.

"... love to trade places...?"
And end that losing streak in your most important game every year. lol.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Layton, UT

"You guys incessantly try to play down our dominance on the field.
So in the unlikely occurrence that byu wins over Utah this fall, will you guys politely congratulate us on a good game then quietly go home?"

If in the likely occurence we do beat Utah this September, it will probably be on the last play, come from behind, seeing as so many of the games have come down to that.

I don't think most of the cougar fans will proclaim dominance, as winning by a blocked field goal, or an overtime touchdown when two defenders tackle each other instead of the tight end, while a magnificent win, is not dominance.

And I think most cougar fans will be smart enough to proclaim the quality of the vanquished foe, if at all possible. It is just plain foolish to brag about dominance over a rival you proclaim to be mediocre at best.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I'm surprised we underperformed last year. Normally we have tons of NFL talent all over the line.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ ygrad/dad
I bet that was painful for you to admit/write. Perhaps this year when you don't have seven or eight gimmes on you schedule you will realize what it is like to play a competitive schedule. If BYU makes a bowl game this year they will have earned it for the first time in many years.

Salt Lake City, UT

Great to have these young men enter the program. Good hunting.

Springville, UT


Unlike several of U Utesies that live and die by the scoreboard of one game and go silent and are ashamed/embarrassed when your team goes belly up at the end of the season and bowl-less my life as a Cougar fan goes on with wins or losses. I enjoy the sport, the competition and the rivalry.

You see, BYU has many sports that it excels in. BYU is not some one trick pony trying to be something it is not. BYU just continues to move forward.

Except for a couple months out of the year these webpages are full of BYU accomplishments.

At the U we read about a few accomplishments but a lot more drama these days... swimming, rugby, player discipline, light suspensions... you name the topic and we can find it in the Ute section.

Trading places for a train wreck? ... sorry, nothing appealing about the several problems at the U.

Jealous over a trophy competition? Nope.

Let's be honest... I'm sure there would be a slobbery mess of you drooling over the variety of shiny trophies if you toured the Legacy Hall down here in Provo.

A legacy vs. 2 BCS banners... LOL

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Springville, UT

"drooling over the variety of shiny trophies"

Cougar Nation clings desperately to legacy and aging shiny trophies as if they had relevance in the modern era of college football.

If legacy and shiny trophies had any current relevance the power conferences would be beating a path the BYU's door.

But alas... BYU is relegated to reflecting on the glory of its legacy and polishing those aging trophies while waiting for that phone call from the PAC12 or the BIG12.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You would lose the bet, don't quit your day job.

Despite popular opinion on the hill, most BYU fans do not suffer from blue lens myopia. We do, however, come equipped, for the most part, with an over developed sense of hope.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

"...an over developed sense of hope."

An over developed sense of "hype" is a more apt description of Cougar Nation.

Layton, UT

A legacy of losing to Utah.
A legacy of losing bowl games.
An over developed fantasy that football vs Utah doesn't matter.

Let's be honest...You're sitting there right now polishing them old trophies and thinking about them sparkling new Pac12 emblems up on The Hill. lol.


Howard S. / ek / etc. - Why are you here to defend the fort? This is an article about BYU, not the Pac 12 or Utah. Why aren't you off harassing your rival?

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Well, one of us is sitting there with a losing record, no bowl game and beating his chest. You tell me who has the over-developed sense of hype.

Kind of sad, really. You have a seat at the big boy table, money rolling in, better recruits than you've ever had, yet all you want to do is try to take away what your brother has. U have an over developed sense of "little" and "petty", I'd say.

let's roll

I for one wouldn't want to trade places with the U. Here's why. The BCS is dead. Its funeral will be in January.

The landscape of college football will shortly look much more like March Madness than the BCS. While Football will never have a 64 team tournament, I suspect they'll be at 8 (and then 12 and then 16) sooner rather than later and there will be multiple paths to qualify...and if I am to believe those who trumpet what a daunting death march a PAC-12 schedule is, the more feasible path to selection may be an Independent schedule with a couple of high profile wins.

Any reasonable observer would agree the likelihood of BYU or Utah getting in the tournament anytime soon is a long shot, but it's time to acknowledge that membership in the PAC-12 may be more of an impediment to Utah's chances than an advantage.

It's far more likely that either Utah or BYU would qualify for the tournament as an Independent with two signature wins than it would be that either one of them would win the PAC-12. BYU may indeed have the clearer path to the tournament.

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