Actually this show is much worse in its portrayals of Africa. Its condescending
and paternalistic portrayals of the residents of Uganda strike one as a screed
that could easily be used to justify neo-colonialism in many ways. I thought
Spencer Fluhman was spot on in pointing out how this is a continuation of
mocking Mormons by people who have bigger problems. In the 1870s Mormons were
attacked for Polygamy and supposedly thus marginalizing women, while Utah
allowed women to vote while every state in the country banned them from doing
so, Wyoming the only other place they could vote being a territory.
I find myself very conflicted about this musical. It bothers me to feel the
production mocks my faith and my God, but I can certainly see how the
church's approach has left open a door of goodwill that invites the
open-minded to explore who we really are. I trust that's a good thing, and
I know the church leadership has taken a higher road that I and many others
probably would not have taken. Great living example.@sharrona -
and, the pancake I ate this morning was dependent upon me for its existence, and
upon God for the existence of that matter from which I made it. I don't
consider myself, or God, to be the father of the pancake. A father is certainly
the creator of his offspring, but he is does not have a "fatherly"
relationship with everything he creates. The language of the scriptures
repeatedly denotes a parental relationship with God, not merely a
RE: zoar63,The scriptures say God is the father of our spirits. True,… the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Ecc 12:7For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28) Creation is
dependent on God for its very existence.I agree with, Moroni 8:18
“God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is
unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity”. Psalm 90:2
“Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world,
from everlasting to everlasting you are God.”
I am a mormon and I saw the show in London. I was offended at some parts of the
show. I didn't think showing the Elders in their underwear was necessary.
I was so hyped for the show that honestly i was a bit disappointed it
wasn't better than it was. Not as good as an average south park episode.
But the acting is very well done. This is the best publicity that church has
probably ever had since the Donny and Marie Show. At least thousands and
thousands of people are becoming familiar with the term book of mormon.
@Sharrona"This process known as eternal progression is
succinctly expressed in the LDS aphorism, 'As man is, God once was. As God
is, man may become.' Encyclopedia of Mormonism 4:1474."The
scriptures say God is the father of our spirits.Furthermore we have
had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall
we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? (Heb 12:9)And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the
God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with
all the congregation?(Num 16:22)So don’t you
think that a parent would encourage their offspring to be like them?
Matt Stone and Trey Parker have made fun of Islam. There are a few South Park
episodes that make fun of the idea that they cannot make fun of Islam. South
Park also did a few episodes that specifically made fun of Islam, but Comedy
Central censored the shows quite heavily. For those that are mad
about Loud Laughter toward religion, don't be afraid of it. Religions that embrace the critics/comedians with love are much more liked
than those that do not. Take the laughter with pride, Jews and
Catholics take it all the time.
Sharrona's capacity for irrelevance is really astounding sometimes.
RE: Comments on the Book Mormon. Moroni 7:22 For behold, God knowing all
things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to
minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of
Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing. Moroni 8:
18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he
is a unchangeable from ball eternity to all eternity. This process
known as eternal progression is succinctly expressed in the LDS aphorism,
'As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.' Encyclopedia of
Mormonism 4:1474.RE: Ether 12:25-28. Romans(1:22-23)Although they
claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal
God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and
I saw two episodes of Southpark in which Mormons were mocked, and at least one
episode ended with something worthwhile to say about Mormons. It sounds like
the play is that way too, but with a lot of vulgarity and offensiveness towards
God.I enjoy having a little fun poked at our way of life. Just
watch the movies Baptists at the Barbecue, and the RM for plenty of good natured
laughs. But these movies did it without mocking God or sacred things. I would
like to see the play except for the vulgarity and disrespect of God.What does it say about our society that a Broadway play attracts so many by
vulgarity and irreverence? Mormonism has a wonderful message that the heavens
are open again, and all of God's blessings are once more available to all
during mortal life. We want to share it with everyone. Yet so many refuse to
even listen to us.
Yes, some good may come from the curiosity the show arouses, but it is still
mockery and it still causes harm in that for many others it just seems to create
or harden a false and negative image of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. One sign of a follower of Jesus Christ is the ability to
love one's enemies and pray for them which despitefully use you.
Despite the fact that the Church has bought space in the playbill I firmly
believe it is inaccurate to characterize this as sponsorship by the Church.
Clearly the approach taken by the Church is nothing short of brilliant. I
prefer, rather to characterize the Church's reactions to the Broadway show
as inspired. Makes no sense for the Church to voice indignance. Just draws more
attention to the show which the producers would love.($$$$)
Personally, I think it's great that the performers of the play now know
they are mocking the beliefs of real people. It's always nice when mockery
has such a human dimension.
The best way to handle someone laughing at you, is to laugh with them. When
they see that you aren't offended, it loses a lot of its fun. Too many
members of the church have a persecution syndrome-just like a lot of Jews and
Muslims who get offended easily. We accomplish much more good with either good
humor (i.e. "Read the Book) than we do with creating our own politically
correct Jihad or Haulocaust mentality. Is South Park juvenile and sophomoric?
Undoubtedly. But it isn't worth getting worked up over. Our good humor
might actually change some opinions.
It sure is nice for the brilliant,benevolent theater folk to come down and meet
the people they are trashing. Thanks for walking amongst us simple folk. Now
hurry up and get back to broadway to trash on in the matinee.
I currently live in upstate New York, and I know one of the men who took the
cast on tour and they talked about the change they saw on the bus between going
to the sites and returning back to Rochester. Very interesting.It
seems to me that the musical adds interest in the Church and that is always a
good thing. Better people know something about us than nothing!
A lot of movies and literature that mock or attack the Church have actually
turned out to be catalysts for people joining the Church. I think we'll
see many come into the Church directly or indirectly as a result of this
musical. However, it doesn't mean that those who wrote and
promote this stuff won't be held accountable. God will not be mocked.
Oh the joy and excited giddiness brought upon the patrons of this performance.
Profanity and the mockery of someone else's faith seems to bring laughter
and finger-pointing by all those who attend. Is there a four-letter word that
isn't just hilarious..Within the covers of the Book of Mormon
itself, it speaks of a great and spacious building full of people who mock the
faith of those seeking to live righteously. Perhaps as the narrow path gets
thinner, many will suffer the slings and arrows of those who deride that which
is sacred.In turn, there is a true desire that our fellow brothers
and sisters not be blinded or hearts hardened against His true plan of
happiness. We often ask, how do you dross, dross? You can't. You do what
Christ has always sought to do, love those who persecute you. That's why
the Church challenges those who attend this production to seek answers for
themselves.Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which
leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
As my old salesmanager always said, "Any advertising is good
advertising" The show may be something most will not see, but the
advertising has given the Book of Mormon a forward leap.
To quote Paul: 'When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a
child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish
things.' I used to love South Park. I watched it religiously. It was the
highlight of my week. Then I turned 30 years old. There's more to life than
funny TV shows, movies and musicals. I mean, grow up, Matt and Trey. You're
like ten years older than me, yet still 'living the dream.' I
don't mean to be preachy, but someone has to say it. I quit indulging in
potty humor, and you know what? It actually feels pretty good. It feels good to
not be a clown and for people to take you seriously.
It wouldn't be politically correct to write one about Islam, and they might
as well paint a target on their backs. I haven't seen the musical,
don't plan to see it. It is enough for me that there are people out there
including non-Mormons who stand with us that it isn't appropriate. They are
a couple of guys who delight in the rude, the crude and unrefined.
That's like saying in the '20's that those blackface shows that
portrayed African Americans as they did, just made those people more
"loveable". Right. This show is like the worst kind of ethnic jokes. And
it isn't limited to Mormons. A song that uses several expletives in the
title and lyrics about God, isn't just about Mormons. I'm
flabbergasted that people of any religion (or who stand for mutual respect)
would stand for that kind of reference to deity and that Jews, Blacks and others
who have been the object of this kind of "loveable" putdowns would stand
by and let us be the butt of jokes.That these actors tread on our
sacred sites and pretend to compliment us while insulting us for commercial
gain, is a slap in the face. Anyone who pays money to see this kind of hateful,
mocking trash should take a deep look inside at what they are doing.And I also would just love to see these people try this with Islam...
@frugalflyActually, the South Park guys readily admit they
won't mock Islam for the very reasons you have pointed out. I
see the Book of Mormon Musical as a plus, rather than a negative, for the LDS
Church. I don't think we will get very many converts as a result of the
musical, but as popular as the show has become (just saw a video where several
cast members of Downton Abbey were attending a performance of the Book of Mormon
musical in London) people might actually talk more to our missionaries which in
turn might break down a few of the stereotypes they may have of Latter-day
I've met many people who joined the church after hearing various preachers,
pamphlets and movies which sought to discredit the LDS church. The people just
couldn't reconcile the nature of the members they personally knew with the
image being portrayed and they came to get the LDS side of things, were
impressed in some way. Friendships or better understanding ensued from it if
I would challenge the makers of this play to make the same kind of play about
Islam... see how that would go over. I recommend they tour it all over the
middle east. It would even be more poignant if they would star in it themselves
and take it into Tehran or Saudi.... I'd be interested in seeing how that
would shake down. Now that would be entertainment. Watch a play that is
sarcastic and irreverent at its best and deplorable and offensive at its worse
about a peaceable Christian religion that takes it in stride with longsuffering?
... yawn... too predictable....watchers laugh and snicker like children looking
at a dirty magazine while the offended religious persons take the high road.
Too predictable for me.
You mean that behind all of the mockery and crude language is a genuine
affection for Mormons? I knew it. Thank you.
"By all accounts the show is crude, vulgar and irreverent, and is known for
poking the eye of organized religion in general and the LDS Church
specifically."Actually, every account I've read emphasizes
that underneath the irreverence is a palpable affection for Mormonism."The church has even been purchasing advertising space in theater
playbills, urging those who have seen the musical to 'read the
book.'"I haven't seen the show, but now that the
Church is sponsoring it, perhaps I should.