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Published: Thursday, May 9 2013 12:00 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Well done!

Keep up the good work ladies!

Though I'm not particularly religious, it is nauseating listening to those who demand free speech and free love and free healthcare and free housing and free food for anyone who wants it, but then tries to restrict the free religious rights of those who acknowledge God.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

This topic keeps coming up over & over, particularly in Texas.

"Hooray for religious freedom!" today.

But tomorrow there could be a Jewish family who objects to the explicit message supporting Christianity, and they'll be the bad guys, or the ACLU, or liberals trying to destroy America.

Do an internet search of "ACLU Mormon highschool prayer Santa Fe Texas" and you'll find a more disturbing angle on religious freedom in full bloom.

A Mormon family and Catholic family objected to the heavy "Christian" overtones in the schools in Santa Fe, Texas, including a 7th grade history teacher handing out flyers for an after hours Christian gathering.

A Mormon kid asked if everyone was invited, to which the teacher asked "what are you?", and upon hearing "LDS" replied "well, that's a cult". The teacher was forced to apologize by the school district, and later resigned.

"The government is trying to take the Lord out of our hearts and minds, and it's going to be the downfall of this country. The devil is getting too much say here."

Evidently in Santa Fe, Texas, Satan was working through a Mormon kid.

Over the top.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

I hope the cheerleaders, and not the school, are paying for the materials to produce the banners (paper, paint, etc.); otherwise, public money is being used to promote a specific religious point of view.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Just wait till someone wants to put up a "praise Allah" banner.

Then we will see just how tolerant the religious are.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

As long as it remains the private decision of these 15 cheerleaders and those that choose (choose being the key word) to join them, they pay for it with their own funds and those that choose (there is that word again) not to join are not punished and the school remains uninvolved and allows other students of different beleifs to make the same type of choices to express themselves then it is the students (not the schools) right to do so.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's a tough topic with no easy answers. What happens if an LDS student wants to display a banner with a Book of Mormon verse and the other cheerleaders object? What about verses from the Koran, or the sayings of Confucius or Buddha?

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Tolstoy:

In my experience, kids are pretty impressionable, and they seek acceptance and a sense of belonging with their peers.

Even if all the cheerleaders "choose" to participate, there is no coercion, it is a freely participating group, the cheerleaders are considered "leaders" by a lot of other kids. If you're the Mormon kid, or the Jewish kid, there's a reasonable chance you'll feel alienated (for LDS, especially if you hear what the Evangelicals says about Mormons).

It's one thing for an adult to brush off what others say, but when you're a kid, the power of peer pressure and wanting to belong is quite powerful... and potentially quite damaging, if you're not of the right background.

Where I live I've known a number of non-LDS parents who've had their teenagers seek LDS baptism, because they want to belong, the spirit resonates with them, etc. Now, I'm a "live and let live" guy, so if one of my kids switched churches, I would be OK with it, but I know it has caused a lot of tension within families, as you can imagine.

More explicit pressure is disruptive.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@10cc
I think what you are saying istrue. As someone that is not religious and whose daughter has at times been treated with less than warm fuzzes by those that are I am very sensitive to this issue as well. I guess I am trying to find some way in my own mind to reconcile the rights of the cheerleaders with the rights of those children (like my daughter) that are not of the same religion and frankly I am not sure were that balance is or if there even is such a thing. I guess there is a reason why the idea of a very clear wall of separation of church and anything related to the state just seems to be so clearly the only real answer.

the truth
Holladay, UT

The bottom line is:

Regardless of your views of religion and or the religious,

Religious people are guaranteed freedom of speech too, in the public square.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

This is a Texas judge. This will be overturned. No brainer...

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