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Published: Wednesday, May 8 2013 11:00 p.m. MDT

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prelax
Murray, UT

The organization doing the survey is pro-illegal, created by business that wants surplus labor and visas to move Americans onto unemployment rolls. Their argument is weighted to their needs. Business is spending a fortune in an effort to assure them cheap labor for decades.No part of the bill would solve the real problem of lack of enforcement. It would double work visas in this country, add 11-18 years of legal immigration all at once and encourage more illegal immigration.

RichardB
Murray, UT

It was just a week ago that Rubio was against the border provisions in the bill and wanted to redo them.

There are more accurate polls available than the one quoted, most ask leading questions, no one is asking if you "support amnesty" or "support enforcing the law".

I have yet to see a breakdown on the bill to educate people on what it really contains. That scares me.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

There you go again.
You label the Heritage Foundation as a "conservative think tank."
But exactly what is the agenda of the Partnership for a New American Economy?
You don't tell us. You do say that their survey supports the Gang of Eight amnesty plan.
They are a pro-amnesty group. They are not neutral. Bill Marriott Jr wants chamber maids and busboys. He's on the board.
So are mayors Bloomberg and Villaraigosa. Hmmm, sanctuary cities.
The least you could do is identify the agenda behind your sources.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I believe the Heritage Foundation over the Gang of Eight. The pols are mining for votes and business is mining for cheap labor. Who loses is taxpayers. The illegals when legalized will not work for low wages as they will be able to compete with Americans for higher paying jobs. Then business will again be begging for cheap labor and we start all over. Do you trust the government to enforce the new laws? If so would that be like the old laws? This is a con job and nothing else. Make your voices heard. We must beat this back again.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

I have never undestood the fear of immigration that many exhibit. The practicle side of the issue mitigates in favor of bringing in new younger people to support he ageing work force. Some one has to pay for our social security. If readers will recall, the system was designed around having more people paying in to it than taking money out. Just the opposite is happening today. Add to that the fact that the over whelming majority are Christian, family oriented hard working patriotic people and I see no reason not to accept them. They fit better into our existing culture than than Muslims or others. I have yet to see a Mexican illegal who advocates changing our laws to Sharia law nor do I see them protesting our constitution.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The immigration bill will be a great deal for Corporate America and a lousy deal for American workers. Supply and demand is the fundamental driver of economics. If you increase the supply of labor right now when demand is already weak, the price of labor will inevitably decline even further.

Corporate America has been on a thirty year drive to crush American wages, and high levels of immigration, both legal and illegal, has been one of their primary weapons in this fight.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@JLFuller
Immigration cannot save Social Security. Even the government admits to that.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@JLFuller
If America were to let in everyone who fits your description... family oriented Christians, then we would soon have a population of over a billion people... similar to India, and we would soon be diluted toward a 3rd world status direction.

There are valid reasons all countries try to enforce border controls instead of allowing a free for all population shifting around the world. Stability and rule of law need to be maintained in order to maintain high standards of living. The average illegal alien that would be effected by this proposal is typified as uneducated, having just a 10th grade education. Most are not high school graduates and with no special skills. As such, they downgrade our labor force and allow big businesses to justify paying lower wages. Everyone except big business suffers. That's why big business is pushing this so hard and deceiving the public with biased polls. There were none of the details of this bill in the referenced poll that Americans supposedly support. Had more info been given, the results would have been vastly different.

We keep going through a "last ever" amnesty program about every 25 years. Not again!

Tators
Hyrum, UT

@JLFuller
If America were to let in everyone who fits your description... family oriented Christians, then we would soon have a population of over a billion people... similar to India, and we would soon be diluted toward a 3rd world status direction.

There are valid reasons all countries try to enforce border controls instead of allowing a free for all population shifting around the world. Stability and rule of law need to be maintained in order to maintain high standards of living. The average illegal alien that would be effected by this proposal is typified as uneducated, having just a 10th grade education. Most are not high school graduates and with no special skills. As such, they downgrade our labor force and allow big businesses to justify paying lower wages. Everyone except big business suffers. That's why big business is pushing this so hard and deceiving the public with biased polls. There were none of the details of this bill in the referenced poll that Americans supposedly support. Had more info been given, the results would have been vastly different.

We keep going through a "last ever" amnesty program about every 25 years. Not again!

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

We don't make Latin America any better by letting a lot of its hard working good individuals run across the border(and really Latin America for the most part isn't as bad as we make it). On the same token we don't improve crime rates in the United States by allowing these people and the "bad eggs" that also come across to live in poverty in the U.S. We only add to our pool of criminals and sadly breed them too. Ultimately I think we have an interest (both humanitarian and economic) in making these countries better and discouraging illegal immigration. I would suggest that making it harder to get across the boarder and the penalty for illegally crossing the boarder a positive thing for both the US and Latin America. It's time we do away with one of the American staples "give me you poor..." It's time for America to show the rest of the world how it can also be a land of opportunity.

JLFuller
Boise, ID

Tators- Mabe I wasn't clear. Open borders are not a good idea. Quite the opposite. But if we are to have migration then Latin Americans are preferred to those who advocate against our culture as Muslims do. I have yet to see a Hindu and Sihk bomb our instutuions or murder our service people nor do they rail about awful we are. Neither do they seek to impose their religious law on us at the point of a gun.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Lower income to middle income Americans are the ones most adversely affected by this immigration bill.

There's no way they can climb the socio-economic ladder if illegal and unethical employers are allowed to continually import more low wage workers.

The largest issue that has eroded the wages of Americans in the last 40 yrs. is the continual expansion of low-wage workers.

RichardB
Murray, UT

JLFuller, we need people who come here legally, no matter their ethnic makeup. We don't need lawbreakers, or a government that fails to enforce laws, or do background checks.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

I wish the Republicans would understand that it was not the lack of Hispanic votes that beat Romney. It was the stay at home white vote that HAD come out for McCain that cost him the election. I don't think the Hispanics want to be "pandered" to, which is sometimes what it looks like the Republicans are trying to do. Bush was the most pro illegal alien/amnesty President the Republicans have had. Yet even he did not get near a majority of Hispanic votes, and Bush had two close elections, one of which he did not even get the majority of votes. The Republicans need to stand for the possibilities that America offers any immigrant if they truly want to succeed and make a good living. I believe that in the end a majority of Hispanic people will accept THAT principle over the principle of living by government give aways. It takes ambition and courage to sneak into a country to try to make a living, and I think many of Mexicos most ambitious and hard working are leaving their home country.

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