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Published: Thursday, May 9 2013 5:00 a.m. MDT

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Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"....Jewish dietary and social restrictions would have severed their ties to family and friends, and circumcision understandably intimidated roughly 50 percent of potential proselytes. Soon after Peter’s vision, Christianity would become the “good parts version” of Judaism for such sympathetic outsiders — it was, effectively, Judaism for Gentiles...."
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Applying Peter’s experience as a paradigm for today’s Mormonism, LDS missionaries could have a beer with a man they’re teaching. Applying Paul, they could teach that the Word of Wisdom and the law of tithing apply only to current Mormons, not to potential new converts?

I'm not advocating either innovation. I offer that only to dramatize why the flexibilities Paul took the liberty of initiating in seeking converts from among the Gentiles sparked discord in the early Church.

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

His methods are a little strange to me. He gives us knowledge line upon line, then takes it away all at once to never be mentioned again. Very strange.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Jonah preached to the Ninevites. True,Salvation is from the LORD(YHWH)!(Jonah 2:9).

God's name(YHWH) shall be "great among the Gentiles" Malachi (1:11).

The Great Commission, “a light to the Gentiles” Isa 49:6.
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations=(ethnics/black or white gentiles) baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit(Mt 28:19 NIV).

Romans 11:13 Paul …especially for you Gentiles. God has appointed me as the apostle to the Gentiles. I stress this…”,as predicted in John 10:16.

Who are the "other sheep" in John 10:16? Gentiles,….”Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, I will make you envious by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation that has no understanding. And Isaiah boldly says, “I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.”

Neither the Lamanites nor Nephites can meet this qualification.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

“....line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little...."
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The original for that verse is Isaiah 28. I think Paul refers to it in 1 Corinthians. The meaning is not clear to me. It sounds like it’s talking about piecemeal acquisition of learning. You’re taught something when you’re ready to learn it or when God decides you’re ready for it. Kind of a condescending elitist attitude that’s characteristic of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and other scribes who penned the Bible’s major prophetic books.

Orion223
Sierra Vista, AZ

All of life works like this. "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little". When we were learning math in grade school we had to learn how to add and subtract before we could learn multiplication and division. 3 x 4 is realy 4 + 4 + 4. 9/3 is How many times can I subtract 3 from 9. We can't learn this until we have the concepts that the higher math requires. The same is true for physics and so forth. It should not be surprising that this also holds true in the realm of religion. I think God gives us truth as fast as we can tolerate it. If he gave us calculus while we were still strugling with long division it would be harmful.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Craig Clark,

I think it does pertain to the piecemeal acquisition of learning.

It’s not just that we are taught something when we are ready to learn it, we really can’t learn something until we are ready for it. It is how we learn everything.

It is not condescending, just a realistic acknowledgement of how we as mortals do, in fact, learn.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

In newer English translations of the Bible, Isaiah 28:13 sounds like a caustic mockery of some of the Jews Isaiah was at odds with.

Prophets of ancient Israel are noted for speaking very witheringly to the children of Israel about themselves. But in Israel’s internal squabbles, prophets could be politically aligned with a particular side, which biases are reflected in their writings. It makes me wonder if the children of Israel were as wayward as they are often popularly perceived to have been.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Craig Clark In newer English translations of the Bible, Isaiah 28:13 sounds like a caustic mockery of some of the Jews Isaiah was at odds with. True,

(28:13 NET) So the Lord’s word to them will sound like meaningless gibberish, senseless babbling, a syllable here, a syllable there. As a result, they will fall on their backsides when they try to walk, and be injured, ensnared, and captured.

The people’s insensitivity to the message is caused by the Lord as a means of expediting their downfall. When divine warnings and appeals become gibberish to the spiritually insensitive, they have no guidance and are doomed to destruction.

RE: Twin Lights, The KJV is a poor translation(see 2Nephi 28:30) of Isa 28:10 and 13… , precept upon precept=(H-6673,tsav). *Precept is used in mocking mimicry of Isaiah's words and thus not a true divine command. Strong's concordance

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

sharrona,

"....The people’s insensitivity to the message is caused by the Lord as a means of expediting their downfall. When divine warnings and appeals become gibberish to the spiritually insensitive, they have no guidance and are doomed to destruction...."
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In the days following the 911 attacks, some well-known televangelists, whom I won’t name, caused a stir by suggesting that the attacks were God’s punishment on America for its sins such as abortion, pornography, drugs, etc. It seems that any catastrophe that happens offers an opportunity to see the hand of God punishing and teaching us a lesson.

I don’t share those views. Israel was conquered by the Assyrians and by Babylon because those nations were rising empires with superior military power. That Isaiah and Jeremiah seized upon Israel’s downfall as punishment for its idolatry is not surprising. That many still believe that today just goes to show how powerful the Bible still is among believers after all these centuries.

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