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  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 16, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    @TwoForFlinching "It's my perception that ESPN signed BYU because BYU has a huge fan base, thanks to the LDS Church, not because they are seen as a national power."

    I never said BYU was a national power. I said they were a national program with a national brand, which is why ESPN picked them up. Notre Dame is a national brand and program based largely on its ties to the Catholic church and they have a huge fan base because of that.

    They also have a great history and legacy, but they probably wouldn't have been considered a national power in the 2000's era. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still a national program. Same with BYU.

    "They're certainly not turning heads like, say, BSU was back in the mid 2000's."

    True, but they haven't bombed either. BYU has remained a consistently good program, and its legacy since the 70's has been one based on success, with a couple of poor seasons mixed in. BYU and USC were the only western schools ranked in the Athlon Top 25 College Football Dynasties.

    Most people view BYU as a strong, successful, national program.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    It's my perception that ESPN signed BYU because BYU has a huge fan base, thanks to the LDS Church, not because they are seen as a national power. Finishing ranked is great, but finishing ranked #25 in one poll since 2009 puts them in the category of being "pretty good." They're certainly not turning heads like, say, BSU was back in the mid 2000's.

    As for the bowl game ratings, it's not surprising that BYU drew a bigger crowd than Army and SMU. The same is true for Utah and the Sun Bowl. The year before Utah and GT played, Notre Dame and Miami played. Miami's fans aren't great but obviously ND has plenty to pick up the slack.

    I'm not trying to argue that Utah is BYU's big brother. That is entirely dependent on the individual fan. For fans like Chris B, BYU is their big brother. For fans like Duckhunter, Utah is their big brother.

    As for who is the class of the state, I'm biased and say it's Utah. But ultimately it will come down to who starts winning the big games. Both Utah teams have been poor lately.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    @ Marked it Down

    Nobody has ever tried to claim the Utah has a national brand. We were having a very civilized discussion about BYU. Judging by the fact that you chose to attack Utah instead of responding to any of my points I am going to assume I am making a fairly strong argument.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 14, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    @TwoForFlinching "BYU had a great run, and during the 80's they were nationally known and relevant. In today's world BYU is just another 'pretty good' mid-major. Nobody sees them as the power they used to be in the old WAC."

    ESPN still sees BYU as a valued, national brand. And a big difference between Colorado and BYU is that BYU is a perennial top 25 program that has been in and out of the rankings for each of the last 7 years. Colorado last sniffed the rankings back in 2005, and hasn't been seen since.

    As for the bowl ratings, you're right, last year was pretty bad, but it was still a lot better than Utah's. And moreover, in 2011, BYU actually helped increase the Armed Forces Bowl TV rating by 8% (in contrast, the Sun Bowl featuring Georgia Tech and Utah dropped 10% from the year before).

    Plus, BYU's average rating on ESPN since going independent has been around 1.6. Not great, but definitely not bad.

    BYU is a national brand, and is the class of the state. I respect Utah and their athletic program, but to say they are BYU's "big brother" is ridiculous.

    Go Cougars!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 13, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes have NEVER been seen as a football power in any era - the Utes are nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan two-hit wonder that quickly faded into non-bowl obscurity without ever winning a single national team or player award - the Utes have no legacy when it comes to football, and that's what really bothers our friends on the hill.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    BYU had a great run, and during the 80's they were nationally known and relevant. In today's world BYU is just another 'pretty good' mid-major. Nobody sees them as the power they used to be in the old WAC. Just like nobody sees Colorado as the power they used to be in the early 90's. CU did everything BYU has done and more, not the mention the Buffs did it more recently. Yet, you never hear anything about Colorado's national brand/legacy....

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 13, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    @TwoForFlinching "BC's run from 2001 to 2008 doesn't overshadow the fact that ND has been a far superior program since the 1880's. It is not comparable to Utah and BYU for this reason: For the majority of history, Utah has been the better team/program."

    And again, the majority of those years was when BYU fielded the equivalent of a JV team and played in Utah for about 38 of the 42 games they played. I'm not arguing that Utah had the better team/program then. However, when BYU started taking football seriously, things began to change, BYU became a national program with a national legacy and a national championship.

    Utah, well, isn't. So the Notre Dame/BC and BYU/Utah comparison is valid. BYU is well established as a national program and national brand. Just because Utah has won 3 in a row doesn't mean they are now somehow BYU's big brother.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    @ Rockwell

    BYU had a great run from 2006-2009. Beck and Hall both did great, especially in their senior seasons. I have no problem admitting that during that time (except for 2008, obviously), BYU put a better team on the field.

    My issue is with the indy/PAC-12 era. I say Utah had a better team in each of the last two seasons. I know you will point to rankings and bowls, but if you mention those things without mentioning the different levels in competition faced each week than I don't think it would be completely honest. BYU did finish with a higher ranking, because they had a better season (i.e. more wins). But having a better season does not necessarily mean you had a better team.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    BC's run from 2001 to 2008 doesn't overshadow the fact that ND has been a far superior program since the 1880's. It is not comparable to Utah and BYU for this reason: For the majority of history, Utah has been the better team/program. BYU had a couple of great decades. But before and after that time, Utah has had the upper hand.

    And for all the talk about BYU's "national brand" you would think the Cougs could pull some decent numbers for their bowl game. But for two straight years now the Cougs have had terrible ratings. I think it's because this brand is made of LDS members who are spread out across the country and count themselves as casual BYU fans just because of the religions affiliation. Just my opinion though.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 13, 2013 3:08 a.m.

    Is Phil Steele trying to cover his behind by saying the Van Noy cover was intentional?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 12, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    twofer

    "I think 8 of the last 11 tells us pretty clearly who has the upper hand currently."

    Not really. When you consider that 13 of the last 16 head-to-head games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes of the game or in overtime. Sorry, that doesn't prove "domination" by either team, especially when the team that's won the head-to-head has so often finished with a worse overall record.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era (which is as "modern" as it gets)

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 7

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Losing Seasons
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 1

    Losses to 10+ Loss Teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    and during the Independent/PAC era

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Bowl Games
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5 bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

    All that Utah has done is prove they can't handle the big stage.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 12, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching "Utah is part of the PAC-12 "

    So are Colorado and WSU. Is that supposed to impress me? Now you're just sounding desperate to get BYU fans to think that Utah is somehow relevant now that U are in the PAC 12.

    Sorry, U have a ways to go before we fans will think Utah is relevant.

    Having a winning record and making it to a bowl game would probably help with that.

    "Lastly, Utah is the flagship school and team in this state. BYU is the flagship school of the LDS Church."

    I would respectfully disagree with that. BYU is also the flagship of the state. Utah is funded by the state, but that doesn't mean they're the flagship program OF the state. BYU drives the media and ratings here in Utah. They have for the last 40 years.

    But BYU is also a national brand. I've lived outside of Utah for a large portion of my life, and worked outside of Utah for two years. When I tell people that I'm from Utah, they immediately associate that with BYU, not the University of Utah.

    BYU is THE university in Utah.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 12, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching "Utah dominates BYU head-to-head."

    Meh, 3 in a row, including two flukey wins, is hardly "dominating". I got back from my mission in 2009 just in time to see Max Hall to Andrew George in OT. That made it 3 out of 4 for BYU in the rivalry game and the Cougars were "dominating" Utah. Of course, that's not what we heard from Utah fans. Each win was "lucky", or "flukey" etc.

    Kind of interesting how the shoe is on the other foot. I didn't think BYU was "dominating" Utah in '09. The Cougs just had the upper hand. Same thing now. I don't think Utah has "dominated" BYU the last three years. U've had the upper hand. That's part of the rivalry. Most of the games come down to one play. That's what makes it fun.

    So I'll give U "scoreboard", because U definitely have it. But "dominating"? Nope.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 12, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    @Two For Flinching "ND and BC have played a total of 22 times with ND holding the series record at 13-9. That is not comparable Utah and BYU."

    Why? I was referring to Utah's recent success against BYU, not their 34-2 advantage they had back in the early part of the 1900's when BYU was fielding an intramural squad and played up in Utah for about 90% of those games. You know, the success that Ute fans have been constantly quoting? "3 in a row, 8 out of 11".

    Which you, in fact, just quoted.

    As I said, no one would think about saying Notre Dame is Boston College's little brother, even though BC won 6 in a row over the Fighting Irish. Just like nobody (outside of desperate Utah fans) would think that BYU was Utah's little brother even though the Utes have had the upper hand over the last 10 years.

    BYU is a national school with a national brand and a legacy built up over 40 years (which includes a national championship).

    Utah's legacy started in 2003 and consists of 2 BCS wins and 8 out of 11 over BYU.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2013 6:13 a.m.

    @ little brother

    Utah used to dominate? I think 8 of the last 11 tells us pretty clearly who has the upper hand currently. What do games played 40 years ago have to do with anything? In the modern era BYU has been passed up by TCU, Boise, and Utah. Even Hawaii and NIU have managed to reach the next level. Why don't you think BYU can get onto the big stage? Don't those past trophies help at all?

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    May 12, 2013 12:23 a.m.

    Wait, so now the "PAC 10.2" guys admit it's the PAC 12 cover? Which is it guys, you can't have it both ways. Too funny...

    Maybe it should be called the PAC 12 and No One else wants us edition.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 10, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    twofer

    "Utah dominates BYU head-to-head..."

    Correction, the Utes used to dominate BYU head-to-head.

    In the last 40 years,

    BYU leads 25-15 head-to-head, 350-149-3 (70%) to 263-204-3 (56%) overall, 22 to 5 in conference championships, and 18 to 6 in Top 25 finishes.

    Despite your hyperbole, the Utes are nothing more than a two-hit, flash-in-the-pan whipping boy for a big boy conference.

    Call us when the Utes win their first national player or team award?

    BYU has trophy cases brimming with such awards.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    @ trucoug

    ND and BC have played a total of 22 times with ND holding the series record at 13-9.

    That is not comparable Utah and BYU.

    You might see Utah as small time but two truths remain:

    Utah dominates BYU head-to-head. Utah is part of the PAC-12 while BYU is part of nothing.

    Lastly, Utah is the flagship school and team in this state. BYU is the flagship school of the LDS Church. There is a slight difference between the two.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 10, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    @ekute "Frantic and emotional desperation. lol."

    How was my statement frantic and emotional? The U is currently running their football facilities out of a trailer park and that is hilarious.

    Those are both facts.

    U seem to think that recent success against BYU now qualifies Utah as BYU's "big brother".

    Why?

    From 2001-2008, BC and Notre Dame played 6 times. Boston College won all six of those games. Would ANYBODY think that Notre Dame was Boston College's little brother during that time?

    Utah's small time, bro. As has been stated many times, BYU is a national program with a legacy built up over 40 years, a legacy that consists of numerous national awards for players, numerous top 25 finishes, numerous conference championships, and a national championship.

    Utah's "legacy" has been a flash in the pan from 2003-2009 and consists of 8 out of 11 against BYU. Oh, and 2 BCS wins (I can never tell which one is more important to Ute fans).

    Nice legacy. I'm sure you'll be telling your kids about that down the line: "Remember when we beat the flagship program in the state 8 times in 11 years? That was great."

    Lol!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 10, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    "That, and the U's trailer park football facilities. Those are just plain hilarious!"

    Frantic and emotional desperation. lol.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    @ phoenix

    I'm not spinning anything. BYU lost to all but one ranked team they played. It doesn't matter that BYU kept most of the games close. Moral victories still register a check in the L column.

    On paper, no there is not a huge difference between 41 and 63. But playing five top 25 teams and still having an SOS that low should clue you in as to how weak the bottom half of BYU's schedule really was. The Cougars had 5 guaranteed wins with Weber, Wazzu, Hawaii, Idaho, and NMSU. It's no wonder BYU played well against most of the top 25 teams they faced. BYU had 5 extra bye weeks to prepare for the 'real' teams the their schedule.

    If you don't think Utah would have a significantly better record having played Idaho twice, NMSU twice, Hawaii twice, and Idaho State/Weber in the past two seasons than you are completely delusional. Congrats on your better record. But it has come on the backs of some extremely weak competition. Some of us prefer quality over quantity, but to each their own I guess

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 10, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Correction

    Bronco/Kyle Era
    BYU 4 > Utah 3

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 10, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    ekute

    It took the Utes over a hundred years to crack the AP poll for the FIRST time.

    By the time the Utes FINALLY finished in the AP Top 25, in 1994, BYU had already been ranked in the AP Top 25 ELEVEN times, including back-to-back Top 7 finishes and a National Championship.

    AP Top 25 Finishes

    Overall
    BYU 17 > Utah 5

    Last 20 Years
    BYU 7 > Utah 5

    Bronco/Kyle Era
    BYU 4 < Utah 3

    Bronco has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last 7 years (4), as the Utes have had in their entire history (5).

    Call us when you reach double-digit Top 25 finishes little brother; big brother reached that milestone over 20 years ago.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 10, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    @ekute "116 years, and specially the last 20 years of superiority over little brother definitely defines an era."

    The fact that U compare yourself to BYU, and use beating BYU as your metric of success, tells me just how little brotherish U are.

    That, and the U's trailer park football facilities. Those are just plain hilarious!

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    May 10, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    I love this time of year. The college football offseason is the time when bantering and trash-talking reaches its peak, where rival fans square off in heated debates over SOS, recruiting, head-to-head, overall records, etc.

    Then everyone goes to sleep, wakes up the next morning, reads the next offseason football-related article, and does it all over again.

    Good times :)

    Go Cougars!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 10, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Flinching

    At least the Cougars showed that they were competitive against Top 25 teams in 2012, beating one and sustaining 3 of their 4 losses on the road by a total of 10 points, including a very close loss on the road to one of the teams that played in the BCS championship game. And let's also not forget that BYU also destroyed the ACC Division Champion Georgia Tech 41-17 on the road, holding the 2nd best rushing team in the country to a meager 157 yard total offense. Georgia Tech, as you recall, thumped USC in the Sun Bowl 21-7.

    The Utes were winless versus Top 25 teams.

    Despite all of your whining about SOS, there's not much difference between #41 and #63, and the upper half of BYU's schedule was MUCH tougher than the upper half of Utah's schedule.

    Bottom line, BYU finished 2011 and 2012 ranked higher than Utah:

    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show
    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)

    None of your spin will change that.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 10, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    116 years, and specially the last 20 years of superiority over little brother definitely defines an era.

    "one game does not define a season"
    It does for byU!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    @ Just the FAX/Phoenix

    I agree with you, winning is the most important thing, and BYU got beat by every decent team they played, save USU. BYU lost to the good teams and built it's wins on the backs of several teams that finished ranked 150+. If Utah was "lucky" enough to play Idaho St, NMSU, and Idaho, instead of Washington, and the Arizona Schools, Utah would have had a pretty good record too.

    Also doesn't this fact shatter your whole argument?
    "#40 Missouri(5-7) #1
    #41 Boise St(11-2) #115"

    Missou finished with the exact same record as Utah, but ranked 40 spots higher. They also finished above Boise despite the fact that BSU had twice as many wins.... obviously playing a tougher schedule DOES mean something, otherwise Boise would have been in the top 15.

    @ phantomblade

    I never said any of those things. My point is that during the PAC-12/Indy era SOS has played an enormous part in the overall records of the two programs. Deep down you know it too.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 10, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Flincher

    "Are we still pretending that BYU played a schedule that was on par with Utah's?"

    As far as the top of each team's schedule, it's not even debatable, BYU's was MUCH tougher.

    BYU's ranked opponents
    #18/#14 Boise State - 6-7 loss
    #16/#17 Utah State - 6-3 win
    #20/#19 Oregon State - 24-42 loss
    #4/#3 Notre Dame - 14-17 loss
    #21/#21 San Jose State - 14-20 loss

    Utah's ranked opponents
    #16/#17 Utah State - 20-27 loss
    #20/#19 Oregon State - 7-21 loss

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 10, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    twofer

    "Are we still pretending that BYU played a schedule that was on par with Utah's?"

    Are U still pretending that Utah's final record and ranking were on par with BYU's?

    Playing a "tougher" schedule doesn't mean anything if U don't WIN!

    Here's a clue - final Sagarin rankings:

    #13 Ohio St(12-0) #60 SOS
    #26 BYU(8-5) #63
    #40 Missouri(5-7) #1
    #41 Boise St(11-2) #115
    #61 Utah(5-7) #41

    8-5 record with #63 SOS > 5-7 record with #41 SOS

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 10, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    2fer/ekute

    Are U still pretending that finishing #61 in the final rankings is better than finishing #26?

    Are U still pretending that playing two ranked teams is better than playing FIVE ranked teams?

    Are U still pretending that Kyle finishing in the Top 25 3 times is better than Bronco finishing in the Top 25 FIVE times?

    Are U still pretending that Kyle finishing in the Top 15 once is better than Bronco finishing in the Top 15 THREE times?

    Are U still pretending that being unranked and not qualifying for a bowl is better than being ranked and winning a bowl game?

    Your frantic and emotional responses to BYU's overall superior record during the Bronco/Kyle era and during the Independent/PAC 10.2 era betray your insecurity.

    As much as Utah fans like to pretend it does, one game does not define a season, and one season out of eight does not define an era.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 10, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Winning 2 BCS Bowls, getting into the Pac12, and owning the tds far outweighs anything byU has ever done. "of course despite your denial you know this, intimately and recently."

    Your frantic and emotional LOL's betray your insecurity.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 10, 2013 1:00 a.m.

    @ PAC man

    Are we still pretending that BYU played a schedule that was on par with Utah's?

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 9, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Bowl name is inconsequential; what's important is quality of bowl opponents. The dearth of ranked bowl opponents that Utah has played speaks volumes.

    Less than 25% of Utah's 17 bowl opponents finished the season ranked in both polls (only 2 in the Top 15).

    By comparison, over 50% of BYU's 31 bowl opponents finished the season ranked in both polls (10 in the Top 15).

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 9, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    @co ute

    So utah has gone to the sugar bowl and the fiesta bowl every single year? Or have they mostly gone to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, copper bowl, and other "low tier" bowls and a couple of times made it to something better?

    I think all non delusional fans know the answer to those questions.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    May 9, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    Duckhunter - so you consider the Sugar Bowl and the Fiesta Bowl to 'read like a who's who list of Kraft Fight Hunger Bowls'? I think any reasonable fan would beg to differ.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 9, 2013 9:31 p.m.

    As an Independent, BYU has won two bowl games and finished in the Top 25 once.

    As a PAC 10.2 member, Utah has only played in one bowl game and hasn't come close to cracking the Top 25.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 9, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    Uh....unlike utah, BYU has never been to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, let alone "year after year". Now utah's past bowl games read like a who's who of Kraft Fight Hunger bowls, and utah "fans" like yourself brag incessantly about winning some of those "low tier" bowls.

    The truth is utah "fans" will being turning sommersaults if utah manages to make it to ANY bowl this year. You see actually going to a bowl is infinately better than being a losing program that doesn't go to any bowl, but of course despite your denial you know this, intimately and recently.

    And what makes you so different from the BYU fans you accuse of thinking that last year defines utah's future? You seem to think that the BYU/utah football future is decided and will never change based on a couple of lucky wins sandwiched around one decisive win.

    But of course utah "fan" hypocrisy is the standard, we read it all of the time. Keep it coming it is "amusing" to read.

    LOL!

  • Gone fishin Murray, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    This article was a Chris B silencer. I love it and love my INDEPENDANCE.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 9, 2013 9:46 a.m.

    GoRed
    WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

    Who made that rule???

    Granted, it SHOULD be hard to talk smack to the fans of the team that beat you last year, let alone 3 years in a row.

    Of course, I think it would be equally hard to talk smack from the semi prone couch potato bowl position either.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    BigUtahFan
    "It's funny how guys from down south are still smack talking. I would expect some humility."

    Nice, way to slip the definition of "irony" in to a KVN/PAC 12 cover article.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    May 9, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    "I have no problem with Van Noy being on the cover. He's one of the best returning players out west so he desreves it. No problem with Van Noy; just to bad so many BYU fans chose to An Noy"

    Spokane UTE - I'm sure BYU fans are quite annoying when you take it upon yourself to come comment on articles about BYU. We're not on a Ute board here...An Noy was clever though.

  • BigUtahFan BOUNTIFUL, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    Why wouldn't Van Noy be on the cover? He's got to be one of the best in the west. Does Phil Steele have any other magazine that focuses on other conferences? Wasn't J wynn on the cover when he was in the MWC?

    It's funny how guys from down south are still smack talking. I would expect some humility. I would be nervous with this new mission change and how that will affect the program. Won't that cause a massive gap?

    Good luck to both teams this year. It's going to be a fun one.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    KVN is one heck of a player, its good to see him get some recognition, even if he deserves a bigger spot on the cover.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 9, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    DeGrady

    Um, they dont' put recruits on the cover. New to this college football gig? And yes, they are winning all the recruting battles.

    I have no problem with Van Noy being on the cover. He's one of the best returning players out west so he desreves it. No problem with Van Noy; just to bad so many BYU fans chose to An Noy

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 9, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    What - no utes on the cover? But I thought they were winning all the recruiting battles.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    May 9, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    Maybe the PAC12 schools will now stop cancelling games with BYU.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 8, 2013 11:27 p.m.

    I bet it's fun being a bottom dweller in a elite conference.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 8, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    @ CO Ute

    Three Points...

    1)If you folks like, I am sure that Bronco will introduce Utah's AD to the magazine... I'm guessing it was an oversight... The author of the mag probably doesn't know that Utah is in the PAC 10.2... He probably just heard that a school from Utah was in and he assumed it was BYU.

    2) You made me think of records and streaks with your comment... You had said that "if" the Cougs lose in September it will be 6 years since years since BYU has won... That would be horrible... Can't even imagine it... Oh wait, how many B-Ball games has U won over the past 7 years (one of 12???) Then you guys know what it's like... Tell us...

    And 3) Get ready to take your shoes off to count the number of BYU draftees that will go to the NFL over the next 4 years...

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    May 8, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    @Ragnar,

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it is labelled on Steele's blog as the "PAC 12" issue, and just maybe because in response to questions about the cover Steele said, "so we decided to include him on our Pac-12 cover".

    Did you actually read the article?

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    May 8, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    My bad trueblue

    I forgot...KVN won't save the cougs from losing 4 in a row to the Utes for the 2nd time in the last 11 years either.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 8, 2013 9:23 p.m.

    ucu

    "KVN is a great player. He will not save the Cougs from going 5-7 this year though."

    Actually, unlike Star for the Utes last year, he will, and he'll end Utah's mini-streak over BYU in the process.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    May 8, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    Wasn't Barkley on the cover last year? How did that work out?

    KVN is a great player. He will not save the cougs from going 5-7 this year though.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:48 p.m.

    BYU fans,

    You have to first beat the Utes before you talk trash. You guys can't seem to figure that out.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    LOL

    Nice to see the 'nice' Ute comments over this.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    May 8, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    ""Because of this issue and the overwhelming support for BYU football, we are now looking at doing a Mountain cover in the future that could feature BYU players and others more prominently."

    Nice to hear.

    I liked Ragnar's comment: "The Utes still have bragging rights where it counts though. On the field."

    To me that's where it counts too. Here's to seeing an end to the streak!

  • bpack88 LOGAN, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    It must be so sad to be so happy to see your player on another conference's magazine.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - wow, my son married to who happened to be a big Georgia fan and I like the Dawgs too.

    And to some other people mentioned about CB - just IGNORE him and don't respond or mentioned about him. One of these days when ALL OF YOU just move on and cb will disapear.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    May 8, 2013 7:03 p.m.

    I can see KVN is smiling now. Go get'em Kyle and Cougars!

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    May 8, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    Does that mean the future of PAC12 football in Utah

    is BYU?

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    May 8, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    Van Noy is a great football player. I'm glad to see him get recognition.

  • Denver2Portland Denver, CO
    May 8, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    Chris B: "But, but, but..."

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    May 8, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    I think Chris B must have put in a good word for his little brothers. Thanks for showin' us some love, C.B.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 8, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    Kiper and McShay have KVN going first round (21-27) and he has been getting pub for preseason all american recognition so having his picture on a west regional preseason magazine isn't really surprising. As their editor said, they have such a strong response and BYU following in the west that it made sense, and may have them creating a mountain regional mag just to satiate BYU fans. Obviously I'm a BYU fan (and Georgia) but I really would like to see Utah have some success in the PAC12. I mean after all, if they continue to flop there won't be much argument about who has the best program, and where's the fun in that?

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    May 8, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    To the posters asking 'where are the Ute players?' I have two comments. First there are only 4 players on the cover, 3 from the PAC 12. That means 3 out of 4 teams from the conference don't have a player on the cover. Not a big deal that Utah isn't featured.
    Second, for a team that has 1 player taken in the NFL draft the past 3 years, you have a lot of trash talk. Van Noy is a great player and deserves to be featured, just like Star was last year and other Utah players will be in the future.
    You probably should be more worried about the head to head game this year because when we beat you again, it will be 6 long years without a victory on your side.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    May 8, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    I am failing to see where it says "PAC-12" on it. The magazine has always been regional. Kyle Van Noy deserves respect, even most Ute fans will admit that. I guess DNews will use whatever they can to stir the pot with the Utes and Cougars.
    The Utes still have bragging rights where it counts though. On the field.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 8, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    ImaCaMan: BYU doesn't want a big conference

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Burn! And work is right, utah can't beat anyone good.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Well, BYU owns the magazine cover smack now.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    Congrats to KVN. The fact that he and Cody Hoffman opted to stay for their Senior seasons and forego the draft and the instant payday awaiting them in the NFL speaks volumes about how the players regard the trajectory of the program.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    May 8, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    Ha! A picture on the cover of a magazine. The closest to a major conference you'll get.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 8, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    Utah couldn't win half their games.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 8, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    Congrats to KVN. He is a beast.

    Dave & Represnt, don't get ahead of yourselves, Utah has owned BYU in recent years on the field and in the NFL draft. To suggest that Utah has somehow now fallen behind BYU in terms of talent just because KVN made a magazine cover demonstrates your inability to be objective or think clearly.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    May 8, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Where are the Utah players?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 8, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    The same Phil Steele who didn't have Star picked in the first round of the NFL draft. Don't give much credence to anything he puts out.

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    May 8, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Wow, a player is pictured on a magazine. Central Michigan produced a #1 draft pick, that doesnt mean they are any good

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Grats to Van Noy. He deserves a look.

    Notre Dame is probably part of the Big 10 issue. It makes sense for BYU to be on a western conference cover. Why aren't they on the Big 12 issue? Because that is not a "perfect fit", and no amount of phone calls to Tom Holmoe will change that.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    May 8, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Maybe he'll be picked in the top ten of the draft and maybe his team will admit four other players were ranked ahead of him. Fine with me. BYU 27-Utah 14 in 2013. The streak is over. Go Cougars.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    May 8, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    I love that a Cougar is featured on the cover with PAC athletes...but it begs the question, where are the Ute players? I thought they were supposed to be superstars by now, I mean we weren't worthy to be part of their elite conference, so what's going on? Just makes me wonder if this was a misprint or if somehow, maybe somehow things are looking alright down in Provo.