A few details regarding sports at BYU-I: the administration a long time ago
decided to say no to club sports. Soccer was attempted, but the administration
felt it didn't follow the direction they were/are headed with the
Activities Program. And if you have one or two, you have to have 50.Regarding intercollegiate sports, you're getting to the party a little
late. Man I haven't seen that dead horse beaten in more than 5 years by
anyone who knows. Get over it; it isn't going to happen. If you think it
is you are naive to the cost to the Church. BYU-I, because of its size (nearly
30,000 across the three tracks - it's true!), would have to be FCS at
least. We don't have facilities. Everything would have to be built. We
are talking hundreds of millions of dollars. Not one dime going to the general
student body. That's not to mention the cost of a DAILY effort to keep
I went to Ricks and BYU; I vote to keep the two schools separate. They have
different missions and should embrace that difference.
BigCougar, I kind of like the idea of canceling sports at the U to save my tax
dollars. I mean, when the football coach is making more money than any other
state employee including the university president, you just know there are some
priorities out of whack.
We are not, nor will we ever be BYU Provo, so I don't think that we should
have to "bleed blue". I love what one of the commenters
said, "Students here at BYU-Idaho don't have any automatic allegiance
to BYU sports. On any given day you'll find them wearing shirts from
universities all around the country, and when you talk to them you'll find
their allegiances all over the place." I don't think I
could've said it better myself. I made the decision to attend Ricks and
then BYU-IDAHO, not BYU Provo.
It's interesting that BYU gets attacked from all sides. National announcers
favor their opponents. In-state football fans fire broadsides at the
administration, coaches and players. Out-of-state football fans pull for their
local teams. Even the students at the Idaho campus that bears the same name
want to get in their two cents with what's bad about BYU Provo.There was an article in Sports Illustrated about 20 years ago that said BYU
was the most hated team in America. Can someone please explain why this is so?
@New to UtahFirst of all welcome to Utah. You are right about Boise st
football. I think there are a lot of BYU fans that still think BYU is close to
BSU in terms of fanbase in Idaho but they are mistaken. The broncos are an
exciting team to watch and they've garnered the majority of Idaho residents
in their fan base. It is true that BYU is second but it's a much more
distant second than it used to be.Byufan63: your attitude is what
turns a lot of good, intelligent students away from BYU. Sometimes there's
an academic elitism at BYU that comes off as condescending to many bright
people. I'm sure I could have gone to BYU. My grades were excellent, my
test scores were high, but I had no interest in attending after talking to some
of their students that held an attitude similar to yours. I recognize not all
BYU students have an elitist attitude (majority probably don't), but those
that do give BYU a bad name. Keep that in mind when you talk to other students
and address people the way u just did.
I would love to see BYU play a couple basketball games up in Rexburg. I think
there needs to be more unity between the two schools.byufan63 your
attitude is why many at BYU-I don't cheer for BYU.Who says an
employer would be disappointed with a BYU-I grad? I bet most employers are more
than satisfied with how they perform.
re.byufan63Do you have valid statistics to back up your claim or is
it just speculation?
@NightOwlAmericaMizzou made a big mistake to change to the SEC and
Utah made a bigger mistake in going to the PAC12. Both schools left behind
long-established rivalries for no other reason that big bucks. Mizzou has
failed to compete in the SEC just as Utah has failed to compete in the PAC12.
However, nobody here in the Midwest is attacking BYU and claiming it should drop
competition in athletics, as the U fans are doing in Utah.If BYUI is
going to use the BYU name, it should be on board with the BYU mission, which
includes college athletics. Just because BYUI doesn't have teams is no
reason to pull for Utah, Utah State, Boise State or Idaho State.
byufan63:So I, as a BYU-I student, will not be allowed to honestly
say that I graduated from Brigham Young University-Idaho? Please tell me what to
do about this. I don't want to deceive anyone.
I think merging BYU-I with BYU is a great idea. Better than the Utes going to
the PAC12 which is slowly killing their sport programs and instead of saying
that BYU should drop their sport programs maybe Ute fans should tell the UofU to
drop their sports programs before they get ruined y the PAC12.
byufan63You don't know what you're talking about. You're
assuming that hiring managers are pretty dumb and that BYUI students are
dishonest. Companies are hiring BYUI grads over BYU grads because BYUI grads are
more qualified (for that specific job) and probably more humble. BYUI is a great
institution with stellar grads. President Hinckley knew that the BYU name would
bring immediate credibility to the new 4 year university, and it worked. It was
on purpose. As far as sports go, it would be great to see games up this
way from time to time and it would be nice to grow a better relationship between
the two schools; however, the mission of BYUI is accomplished without sports.
The spirit of Ricks is alive and well on campus. Students love the environment
and are leaving campus as disciple leaders.All this is coming from the
biggest Cougar fan in SE Idaho, BYU alum and season ticket holder.
To byufan63; I believe you make two faulty assumptions. As someone who has been
associated with Ricks College and now BYU-Idaho for over 30 years, I do not know
of a single instance were our students or alumni are attempting to pass
themselves off as BYU grads. Just do a quick search on LinkedIn and you will
see that our alumni and students are 1)volunteering their information that they
are BYU-Idaho, not BYU, and 2) they are not trying to hoodwink people into
believing "they went to BYU."
Dumb idea. Although the author is correct that no one outside of Utah and Idaho
differentiates between BYU and BYU-I, he fails to recognize that this is a big
problem. When people from around the county hire BYU grads, they assume they
graduated from a school with strenuous entry and graduation requirements. Too
often they belatedly learn (or worse never learn) they hired someone from BYU-I
who doesn’t meet their expectations. The hirer simply did not
appreciate that there is a marked difference between the schools and the BYU-I
graduate is not going to volunteer this information. They want everyone to
believe that they went to BYU. This may sound elitist but the requirements of
the schools are miles apart. That is not to say that BYU-I students are bad
people or that they don't have some extremely bright students, but on
whole, there is little comparison. The answer to BYU-I’s identity
issues is not to drag BYU academics down to make BYU-I feel better. The best
answer is to rename BYU-I altogether and let it have its own identity without
Boise State is the school Idaho follows as does Oregon and Washington east of
the cascades. BYU is likely a distant second.Having lived in Oregon and Idaho
and now Utah the past decade of football success at Boise State has created a
byu rugby:I know what the Spirit of Ricks is, and I go to BYU-Idaho.
Not Ricks College.
The no athletics idea is wonderful. Ever hear Harvard or Princeton talking
about their sports? (They exist, but they are NOT the center of the so-called
"culture.") Focus on raising the academic power of the school and after
a while, no one will care about bringing the circus animals to campus.
One of the big reasons college athletics were discontinued at Rexburg when Ricks
morphed into BYU-I is the impact on immediate surropunding universities. Idaho
State University in nearby Pocatello struggles as an FCS Big Sky program and
Utah State University is the lowest branded and poorest in overall attendance
MWC school. Utah Sate has borne the brunt of the massive BYU post WWII
expansion in studentbody and athletic branding. College athletics like them or
not contribute to a schools ability to attract the best possible students, and
BYU has taken more from Utah State than it has given back. Time to end the
football program in Provo and if athletics are continued fully embrace the WCC
and move on.
The dropping of football at Ricks really hurt BYU's program. It has taken
them a few years to recover from having a feeder school of sorts. Has anyone
else wondered if the reason they did this is because most of the 12 and First
Presidency are Ute grads??????
slsColumbia, MO said:"The LDS community isn't very
united around BYU. There are too many naysayers who didn't get admitted to
BYU or who have some other hangup about the Provo school. Many BYU students
aren't very united around their school, either, and wear shirts from every
other school in the country to proclaim their loyalty or attempt to proclaim
their own identity. Meanwhile, the ute vultures realize that this is
a pivotal time in BYU athletics while they are fighting for their life to remain
relevant in a PAC12 where they haven't shown an ability to compete. If they
can get BYU to abandon sports, they believe, many or most of those athletes will
go to the U (believe it or not)."Hey sls from columbia, MO. How
is that move by MIZZOU to the SEC working for ya?Utah is just starting on
its path in the PAC 12.And BYU is fighting for its life to remain relevant
as an independent.
Well we already ride the coattails of Notre Dame.BYU-ID can borrow our
mascot I guess.
The raison d’être of any college or university is academic education.
Too many schools have lost sight of that. I am glad BYU-I has no sports program.
They made a wise choice.
My son was accepted into the top international studies program in the world
(University of Edinburgh) because the name BYU-Idaho carried some weight. If his
credentials said "Ricks University" he wouldn't have even been
Not a fan of anything that has happened to the school in Rexburg since I left.
They chose to drop athletics so one would presume they have no desire for
athletic affiliation, ie mascots or colors. If attending sporting events is that
important to the students, they know full well going in that opportunity no
longer exists in Rexburg. But, as the last person calling for alumni donations
told me, "we have a wonderful intramural program." ha ha ha I had a wonderful two years at Ricks College, in and outside of sporting
events. I think it such a tragedy that the sports programs were dropped there.
Even worse was the way it was handled, all those that had jobs in the athletic
department had no idea it was happening until it was announced, quite the
bombshell for the leadership to drop on someones livelihood. Yes, I am a little
bitter. I would have not attended the school had it not been for the sports
program, it is a wonderful blessing in my life that is now being denied to
others. Let them be plain and bland BYU I, no mascot or colors
@Whoa NellieI have no idea how you came to that conclusion. I was
not at all implying you have to change the name to “university” to
be awarded Bachelor degrees.
InspectorC and like-minded,Look for BYU to drop its athletic programs at
the same time the LDS Church remodels meetinghouses to remove the basketball
courts.Area 52 - FYI for an institution to award baccalaureate
degrees it does not have to have the word, "university" in its name. Not
all "colleges" are junior colleges.Some exhibition type
games in Rexburg sounds like a good idea as long as someone is willing to sign
the check for the expenses involved. As far as sponsored sports at BYU-I ever
being considered, I'm pretty certain that anyone reading these comments
will never be asked for input on such an idea.
Changing Ricks College to BYU-Idaho gave more LDS members access to church
schools and the opportunity to receive a Bachelors degree instead of an
Associates degree. With the demand in our world of secondary education being
more important than ever before it just makes sense that the LDS church needed
to do this. Having an Associate's degree will not cut it anymore for most
careers, even having a Bachelors degree is a Dime-a-Dozen. I think
changing the name from Ricks to BYU-Idaho was the best thing for the university.
Ricks was a great name but to me was associated with being a Junior College.
I'm sure Ricks was great back in the day and the "Spirit of Ricks"
still continues for those alumni. But it's totally ridiculous and absurd to
say that BYU-Idaho is pretending to be like BYU. I guess you really don't
know but BYU-I's honor code is more strict and why would that be? BYU-I as
a whole is much conducive for the "Spirit" than BYU-Provo and most of
the Brethren would probably agree.
I'm not sure I would want to root for the Cougars if I got turned down by
BYU and had to go to Ricks. I would probably also root for the Utes or Aggies
instead. Does anyone else get irked when, after you tell someone you
went to BYU, they ask "Provo or Idaho?"
The way I see it is this Ricks College should have been named Ricks University
kept its sports program. and not be lumped in the BYU homogenized identity. As a
Alumni Of Ricks it will always be Ricks not BYU-Idaho. To me it is just another
dig from the Y, saying it is a secondary school. Never as good as the Y.
I worked at Ricks/BYU-I during the transition. The transition was difficult and
challenging but it has all been to improve the educational environment.
Culturally, you can't beat BYU-I with music, drama, student performances,
etc. The student activities program is the best in the nation. The classes and
instruction are excellent. If a student is bored at BYU-I it says more about the
student's lack of ambition and intelligence, than it does about BYU-I.
BYUI is like kissing your sister
Speaking of BYU and BYUI (and BYUH) I always thought it was really too bad that
they changed the names. Why not have Ricks University or if you wanted to rename
it how about Joesph Smith University or John Taylor University? I know BYU is
known and the idea was so Idaho and Hawaii could free ride on the name
recognition but only for the short-term. I think everybody now knows that these
are completely different schools (just like everybody knows that UC Santa Cruz
is not the same as UC Berkeley).As for the article, I don't think you are
ever really going to be able to make the Idaho student feel like they are in
Provo. It is just too far. I don't think sharing the name of the school
does much either (Note: I went to Ricks for a year and then graduated from BYU
-- the one and only). Also, I knew then (and know now) that there are a lot of
kids who could have gone to Provo but simply liked Idaho better. It should never
be assumed that the Idaho students are only there because they couldn't be
I'm not a BYU "hater".I'm not a UofU "fan".I DO love competitive collegiate athletics/sports, and support them
vigorously.I have no affiliation with BYU-I.I am a traditional,
devoutly-active, "everyday" LDS man.Having laid that
foundation, I believe BYU (all campuses) should DROP all athletic programs, and
FOLLOW the highly-successful BYU-Idaho model!!BYU should be focusing
ALL its resources, energy and efforts on education and academia, religious
development, cultural and social programs, scholarship, service to all
God's children, the progress of mankind, etc., and simply rid itself of the
distractions and draining characteristics of the sports arena.BYU
will never "compete" at the highest levels of the major NCAA sports
programs. All it results in is a bunch of frustrated, depressed, angst-filled
Mormons!Kudos, however, to Ryan Teeples for his thorough,
well-written article. Great work!!
@junk I think the desicion to have club or varsity sports at BYUI is made down
south not in Idaho.
It is just wrong for BYU-I to be lumped in with Provo! It is Ricks College to a
very large and very protective group of alumni. If anything, it should revert
back to Ricks and get it's own mascot back. I don't care if it
continues as a four year school. 20 years ago, Ricks was an entirely different
kind of school than BYU. Just as BYU-I portends to be know. Except Ricks really
was. Now it is slowly morphing into the same kind of place as BYU, except for
nerds.I have a child who attends BYU-I. I asked her about the "Spirit of
Ricks"? She doesn't know what I am talking about. If you don't
know what I am talking about, you never attended Ricks and wouldn't
understand either. Sports is very important to school spirit. But, it
isn't what made Ricks such a fantastic place to start out life.LONG LIVE RICKS COLLEGE!!
"Can someone explain why Provo can have club sports but BYUI can't
?"Well, they are two different universities with different
@U 90I to did a double take when I read Ted's comment, and then
a triple take when I saw all the "Likes" under it. Must be the max hall
No sports at a college the size of BYUI is a joke. When Ricks college was
around it gave more LDS athletes a place to play and raise their academic
standing and be able to play at the next level (D-1 D-2 D-3 NAIA ...) Rexburg
needs sports. Without sports that town is dead!!! Reinstate sports at BYUI
right now!!! All the team at Ricks College were well supported and the games
well attended. Why was it shut down anyway? Colleges need sports! And if any
town needs something to support it's Rexburg!
I have personal connections to Ricks College, BYU-I, BYU-Provo and the
University of Utah. I was deeply saddened when Ricks College was transformed to
BYU-I although I understand the reasons behind the decision. I have children
who graduated from BYU-Provo and I am an alumnus of the U. I would love to see
BYU-I with sports again, as I believe it adds much to the student's
experience. Many Ricks College athletes had successful experiences at Division
1 schools, many at BYU and Utah and other schools. I believe there is a
small percentage of fans from BYU and Utah that are an embarrassment to their
respective schools. I have been disgusted at the behavior of fans from both BYU
and Utah, but I believe the majority of fans from both schools are classy and
rational. It's the ludicrous extremes that get the attention and build
reputations. The athletic programs at both schools are important components of
their respective campuses. Support your school without trashing the other. Not
that hard to do. Go Utes!
I would prefer to see BYU-I restart athletics, not in NCAA Division I, but in
either NCAA Division II or III. They are in the footprint of the Great Northwest
Conference in Division II and could add a badly needed football school to them
and resume their rivalry with Dixie State. Fellow Idaho school Northwest
Nazarene in the Boise area is in the conference as is Montana-Billings, the rest
are in Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and British Columbia.In Division
III, they could join the Northwest Conference with schools in Oregon and
Washington. Division III is really where most people's ideas about
student-athletics are enshrined in the rules.Either would be a good
fit for BYU-I and they would not have to join the rat race in Division I.
You would think BYUI would have club rugby and lacrosse. Club sports are very
healthy and fun for the school. I think it is strange the BYUI doesn't have
club sports that play other schools. I actually applaud no varsity sports but
club sports would really help the school. Club sports could be entirely funded
by the students. Can someone explain why Provo can have club sports but
BYUI can't ?
So many preachy people on here. For all of you who want BYU to get rid of
sports because it brings out the worst in people, I'm curious how you
justify public schools, city league sports, TV, or anything else for that
matter. And this might sound pretentious of me, but people, it's called
BYU. Not BYU Provo.
I attended Ricks College in the early 80's and will always call the school
Ricks! The small classroom environment, the class breakfast's with
professors in there homes, pride in sporting events, pranking dorm brothers 2nd
floor Rigby Hall (Ma Gibb), and babysitting for professors with a date are
memories to hold on too! I was sadden when the school changed it's name,
and then later to find out the identity was totally stripped. Talking to
students in our ward over the past few decades, there dos'nt seem to be a
pride coming home with them that I had. A couple of years ago when I received a
phone call from the school for donations, I passed on it. It was a school that I
I like the idea. Why not make them Cougars? Welcome to Cougar nation!
@sls"Meanwhile, the ute vultures realize that this is a pivotal time
in BYU athletics while they are fighting for their life to remain relevant in a
PAC12 where they haven't shown an ability to compete."You
try competing when your QB gets injured every year. Oh wait, your QBs just play
themselves out of the position every year.
@BraveSirRobin"Instead of asking BYUI to follow BYU and adopt their
sports teams, maybe we should turn the question around and ask why not have BYU
follow BYUI's example and drop their sports programs?"That's a great thought. Especially in the case of universities where
their sports programs lose millions and steal resources away from academics to
fund their teams. BYU's athletic dept is profitable and has
been for many years. It actually adds resources to the University and helps fuel
the mission of BYU (education). Utah's sports programs though
have been a money pit for quite a while now and suck precious money and
resources away from academics which impede with the university's purpose
(education). It requires Tax payers to pick up the tab and pay for things
because the programs can't sustain themselves and are a drain on revenues
that are supposed to be promoting education. Maybe we can get a
petition going to cancel the sports programs at the University of Utah so they
can use those valuable resources for promoting the educational experiences of
their students and relieve the burden on tax payers? Anyone want to sign up?
As a Ricks College alumni and a BYUI current student. I still consider myself a
Viking. I haven't seen anything that would help me align myself to BYU
Provo. I made the choice for BYUI over BYU Provo because of the
smaller class size and more personal attention than at BYU. Just because you go
to BYUI over BYU doesn't mean that you are getting less of a degree. You
have the same classes and criteria that all of the other church sponsored
@Ted H. "Assuming you support our prophet as I support our prophet,
I'm going to side with President Monson.... I'm so happy that byu
bothers you. It puts a smile on my face knowing how much byu and byu sports make
you upset..... Your frustration brings me great joy.Ted, since
you're invoking President Monson in to this discussion, please explain how
your comments are consistent with his teachings.
@Sports are Great "Stop hiding behind the red to justify the behavior that
proves Max Hall right day after day"Stop justifying behavior
like Max Hall's. Should a member of the LDS church agree be in agreement
with Max's comments (see below)? Hall's words are in direct
opposition to the teachings of our church. I can understand a BYU fan's
frustration with certain Utah fans, but lets be honest BYU fans have not
cornered the market on classy behavior either. What is most amazing to me is
that you support Max's hate that is directed toward ALL Utah fans including
stalwarts in the church including many general authorities. You need to think
this through a little more. "I hate them, I hate everything
about them. I hate their program. I hate their fans. I hate everything.... I
think the whole university and their fans and organization is classless. - Max
NorCal CougarFan &Alum. Programs at BYU I are wonderful. Even for those
who love athletics there is a program there for participants which is
unsurpassed anywhere. The opportunities are there, students just have to become
involved. Some choose not to apparently if they are from your area.
I graduated from BYU-Provo. Three out of my four children graduated from BYU-I.
My three children loved BYU-I. They thought it was absolutely great. Maybe
people get what they are looking for.
kaysvillecougar,Thanks for your comment. I agree 100%.
As a recent graduate from BYU-Idaho I have to agree that the school is missing a
unity that other schools have. There is nothing that unites the student body
except for the weird ritual of raising your scriptures at the start of
devotional... The competitive sports/intramural sports don't unite they
create divisions and competitions between the student body. Its like church ball
on steroids honestly. They do have the identity of being different but it is
boring up there on weekends. You can go to Sammy's but that gets old. I
would've liked to have sports up there and have an identity.
I have two kids attending BYU I and they love it. (The cold maybe not so much.)
With the academic standing my kids have they could have chosen BYU Provo and
likely gotten in. One kid was offered a full 4 year scholarship to UVU and a
half scholarship to BYU Provo. Bottom line - they had a choice, chose BYU I
and have not regretted it. I am sorry it has the stigma of "less than"
because it's just not true.A far as being part of Cougar
Nation, I agree with some posts here that maybe it's time to remove sports
altogether. Contrary to what others have been accused of I am not a Utes fan or
a BYU hater. BYU is fantastic for so many reasons but I just see what sports
can turn fans into and there are too many examples of unchristian behavior from
people who should know better.
Some like NorCal have made a number of derrogatory comments about BYU-I but
apparently have never been there. After attending BYU-I, BYU, going to medical
school and residency, the best teaching and learning experiences for me were at
BYU-I(Ricks). I treasure those years. I also love my cougars and think it would
be great to have that unifying effect of BYU's athletics more prominant on
BYU-I's campus. In fact I would stay at home and watch a BYU game on TV
than attend a Rick's football game b/c of my passion for cougar football.
But there is an amazing culture at BYU-I although it is different than Northern
Cal. It's a little condescending to insinuate that BYU-I and other church
schools don't prepare someone for "the real world." The culture is
different than California. It can be a shock to walk to class when it is -20F.
Any one that assumes going to BYU-I/Ricks is a fall back to not getting into BYU
Provo is a fool. Many of my fellow classmates were in Rexburg by choice, one
that had been made years before. As for the norcalcougarfan most kids that
attended school in Rexburg who were from CA that did not like the school,
wouldn't of liked Provo either. It's hard for anyone to be away from
family and only come home for Christmas.
The LDS community isn't very united around BYU. There are too many
naysayers who didn't get admitted to BYU or who have some other hangup
about the Provo school. Many BYU students aren't very united around their
school, either, and wear shirts from every other school in the country to
proclaim their loyalty or attempt to proclaim their own identity. Meanwhile, the ute vultures realize that this is a pivotal time in BYU
athletics while they are fighting for their life to remain relevant in a PAC12
where they haven't shown an ability to compete. If they can get BYU to
abandon sports, they believe, many or most of those athletes will go to the U
(believe it or not).I think Teeples has a good idea to try and build
some more unity among LDS college students at both campuses. It may not be
practical, but it's worth exploring.
@NorCalCougarFan&AlumAs a California native and BYUI alumnus, I feel
you are mistaken about BYU-Idaho. The school prepared me for a lifetime of
service in the Church and the community that in many ways exceeds the
preparation I received while serving as a full-time missionary. I was prepared
academically as well, as I will be starting medical school this fall. My two
brothers attended UCSD and CSUN. The 'education' there caused them
to stray from the way we were raised. I have attended Institute classes in
California and they do a great job of supporting LDS students but cannot make up
for the secularising agenda that is often forced upon UC/CSU students. As for
the youth in your ward who were bored at BYUI, they needed to get out more. I
hiked in Yellowstone, saw the Tetons, explored caves and swam in the Snake
River. I was mildly saddened when they started removing the Viking
references at BYU-I , but to say that somehow means I went to an empty shell of
a school with no culture is plain silly. I am grateful for my BYU-Idaho
education and am proud to be an alumnus.
BYU-Idaho is not the same school as Brigham Young University. The LDS Church
did the "real" BYU and its alumni a severe disservice by branding Ricks
College as BYU-Idaho. To do so only serves to dilute the value of the BYU
brand.BYU-Idaho should be rebranded as Ricks University, as BYU-I is
no more BYU than UC-Riverside is UC-Berkeley.
My only request if BYU-I starts adopting the Cougars as a mascot, is that
BYU-Provo needs to accept their academic credits as well. It is ludicrous that
when a student transfers to Provo, that not all of their credits transfer as
What is "cougar nation?" This term, recently becoming more widely used
is the most meaningless phase in America. Cougar nation? Cougars are not a
nation, fans are not a nation, and to refer to fans as a nation is completely
absurd. Ok, I get the reference, but I dislike it, just call us fans, we are not
a nation, they do not issue passports, charge property taxes, require income
taxes, or draft people into the military! Fans are fans, we are not a nation!
@NorCalCougarFan&AlumAs a BYU-Idaho Alum, I know of several
people who got into BYU Provo with not so good of grades. I believe the
requirements (GPA, etc...) are pretty close to the same. I'm only refering
to Undergraduate studies becausue BYU-Idaho does not have Graduate studies. The kids in you ward could attend a community college (prices are
cheaper than Universities) and then transfer to BYU-Provo when their grades are
better. I admit BYU-Idaho is not for everyone especially because of the winter
weather and being smaller. But I do have several friends from California who
really enjoyed BYU-Idaho. There was always something to do and I was never
The Church sees BYU sports programs as an important resource for getting
exposure for the Church. That is actually the main reason they exist. I doubt
the Church will ever consider ending sports at BYU. Making the
BYU-I campus a cougar campus, as well, sounds like a great idea.
My daughter attended BYUI for a year recently and said she found more Utah and
Utah State fans as students than BYU fans. This was frustrating to her. I suspect BYUI would prefer to stay neutral so Utes fans, Aggies fans
and others can attend a church school and not feel like they have to sacrifice
loyalty to their favorite college sports team. However, that does not mean they
could not have a huge sponsored BYU Sports fan club on campus that could provide
activities and big screen viewings of games.BYUI has plenty of
cultural events and activities but the students have to take advantage of what
is available. Just because they don't have D1 sports does not mean they are
without culture. Take the blinders off.Even though the academic
entrance standards are lower at BYUI than BYU, that does not mean all the
students at BYUI are underachievers academically. There are many reasons a
student may want to attend BYUI rather than BYU. Some were mentioned above.
Others include size of school/community, focus on academics, much lower costs,
closer to home, small town atmosphere, smaller class room size, getting away
from home, nutureing environment, etc..
Snakeriverute:If LDS youth can't get into the BYU Provo campus,
they choose to attend BYU-Idaho due to the price tag. Unfortunately, the
University of California and California State University systems have increased
their tuition 15-30% a year. BYU-Idaho tuition is $1,785.00 a semester for
tuition. The LDS Church does a great job at keeping expenditures low and
subsidizing tuition with tithing money. An undergraduate degree at a CSU campus
is $2,736.00 and a UC campus is $3,740.00 per semester for undergraduate
How is this worthy of publication?
BYUI has made a commitment to academics and personal growth rather than the BCS.
Let them pursue that goal. College athletics has become the tail that wags the
dog and BYUI has rejected that model.
NorCalCougarFan&Alum:So if going to school in Rexburg is such a
drag and the Institutes in Cali are so great (which I imagine they are) why
don't they just stay at home, quit grousing, and go to a UC/CSU school?
It's not like BYU-I needs them.
@Brave Sir Robin"why not have BYU follow BYUI's example and
drop their sports programs?"I know that is the secret little
fantasy of every petty BYU hater in Utah, but all signs point to that being
nothing but fantasy. We see quite the opposite happening at BYU, with the LDS
church investing more in BYU athletics, as both a publicity and missionary tool.
They just spent millions building a state of the art HD broadcasting facility,
created their own cable TV channel that reaches more than 100 million homes, and
signed a 10 year exclusive contract with ESPN to broadcast their football games.
These are just a few example. I could cite many more. I know that must gall you
as it is obvious from your frequent posts that you have a deep-seeded and
irrational hatred of BYU, but do not despair. I am sure there is some treatment
available for that if you wish to overcome it.
Some interesting ideas. Probably won't go anywhere, but creative.Maybe BYU-I should get back into sports on its own. Seems like a pretty bland
place with few of the college traditions that are part of the American
experience. And I'm not suggesting the fraternity/sorority stuff for which
I have no use. What is more American than a football game in the Fall or a
basketball rivalry? Great memories (even if college sports has gone to the
dogs, i.e., money over anything else).
Perhaps Utah public schools should follow BYU-I's example and drop athletic
programs. It would save taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. Let parents pay
for club sports in the communities.
I have had this same thought (have BYU-I adopt the same mascot and host events
periodically). I have children, nephews and nieces attending both schools. I
think it's a tragedy not to have the opportunity to attend sporting events
at BYU-I. I hear from my nephews that there is a robust intramural program, but
it will not unite the student body in a way that cheering on a university
sponsored team in intercollegiate competition does. Yes it has the potential to
bring out the worst in individuals and, occasionally, the student body, but it
creates enhanced student body unity and identity as well as memorable, fun
@Obama10,First, many kids in my ward attend BYU-Idaho and they can't
wait to return to CA after they complete their two terms each school year. They
complain of the boredom and wished they had worked harder in high school to get
into BYU-Provo. Plus, the extreme weather in Idaho gets old as well. Finally,
there are many fine University of California and California State University
campuses that have LDS Institutes close by where LDS young adults can be
spiritually nourished on a daily basis and enjoy sporting and other cultural
events on campus. After I completed my undergrad at BYU, I attended two in-state
California campuses with great institute programs where I was spiritually filled
and enjoyed campus life as well. Yes, there were many Liberal professors.
However, witnessing other perspectives prepared me for real life.
Students here at BYU-Idaho don't have any automatic allegiance to BYU
sports. On any given day you'll find them wearing shirts from universities
all around the country, and when you talk to them you'll find their
allegiances all over the place. I agree with the basic premise of
the article, that BYU-I offers nothing to generate school spirit and unity, and
this could be accomplished in part by promoting BYU sports. But
those who claim that BYUI is "culturally empty" (whatever that really
means) simply haven't been here -- the university has its own distinct
atmosphere and culture. Just because it's different from another school
doesn't make it inferior.
@Brave Sir RobinSee. Look how quick they turn on you.
Robin, Our beloved Prophet President Monson would have ended sports if he
thought sports should be ended at BYU. After all, he is the chairman of the
board of BYU. And assuming you support our prophet as I support our prophet,
I'm going to side with President Monson.And yes, I'm so
happy that byu bothers you. It puts a smile on my face knowing how much byu and
byu sports make you upset. Thank you. Your frustration bring me great joy.
@NorCalCougarFan&Alum, I don't know where you get your info on BYU-I,
but I think you are wrong. My nephew just finished his Freshman year and I have
several neighbors whose kids went/are there and loved the experience. There
have been many articles as well as the book mentioned in this article about some
of the ground breaking education that is happening there. The President of
BYU-I is the former Dean of Harvard Business school. If you would rather your
children experience the "culture" of UC-Santa Cruz and the left-over
hippie drug-culture of the banana slugs, then more power to you. I would love
my children to attend BYU-I.
baby sparrowNothing more hypocritical than a Ute fan being ok with
classlessness on the hill while crucifying byu fans who once in a rare while act
the same as Ute fans. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Ute "fans"
represent their university and our state. I'm more embarrassed to be
associated with the state of Utah from ute "fans" behavior than I am of
the ocassional byu-mormon affiliation. Stop hiding behind the red
to justify the behavior that proves Max Hall right day after day.
@Brave Sir Robinwhat are you thinking! Your comment is taboo among
the tds faithful. It brings forth a deep-seeded fear that is not spoken of ever
since Utah joined the Pac12 and the tds went independent.
Brave Sir Robin,I hear the same story from my brother-in-law who's a
University of Utah graduate. You'd love BYU to cancel it's sports
programs so the Utes can become the big and only brother on the block.In
regards to BYU-Idaho, I would much rather have my child attend a California
in-state school than go to school in Rexburg. BYU-Idaho is an empty shell
culturally. It's kind of like a long distance commuter school with very
little to offer outside of some academics and a weekly devotional. BYU-Idaho
definitely has an identity crisis because it has none. Attending a school with
no school culture wouldn't be pleasant. Making BYU-Idaho students BYU
sports fans is a natural fit. Maybe BYU-Idaho could eventually host some BYU
sporting events on occasion, such as baseball, softball, women's soccer,
I think it would be very unfortunate if BYU was to be forced to merge sports
with BYU-I. While people sometimes do indeed conglomerate the schools together
into one blob, they are not one school. They never have been and never will be.
I find it highly appealing that BYU-Hawaii has figured that out. They have their
own sports teams and their own mascot. They have found their own identity. Just
because people do not know the difference between the schools does not mean that
the schools should merge together. I have friends from out of state that confuse
the U with USU all the time; surely we will not suggest that the Utes start
donning the navy blue and white.
Instead of asking BYUI to follow BYU and adopt their sports teams, maybe we
should turn the question around and ask why not have BYU follow BYUI's
example and drop their sports programs? After all, let's face it: Sports
brings out the worst in players/coaches/fans (yes, even BYU's) and some of
the things we've seen out of BYU's sports program don't paint the
institution and the LDS Church in a positive light. That is contrary to the
stated mission of BYU and the church. College sports have become
"worldly" enough that it might be time for BYU to think about dropping
intercollegiate sports altogether.