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Published: Tuesday, May 7 2013 3:15 p.m. MDT

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TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

Sure thing Joe, whatever you say..... Right after Abortion!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Interesting coming from a man who believes morally life starts at conception(yes that is HIS position) and yet supports abortion

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I'm certain all religious leaders in the country are taking careful note of 'Joker' Joe Biden and his gun ban propaganda. NOT! Holy smokes - these people just don't quit do they. The view from the left is that people are inherently stupid and if you throw enough propaganda out there over time some of it will stick. Even Harry Reid voted NO on the gun ban bill in the senate because Harry knows the people of Nevada will throw him and his socialist buddies out the door during the next election if there is any hint of gun banning from the federal govt.

floridian
navarre, fl

So, this Administration believes that gun control is a 'moral issue' but abortion, same-sex marriage, DOMA, the morning after pill, and the like, are not to be judged morally. How mixed up is our Vice President and President?

washcomom
Beaverton, OR

I have to stop laughing. Biden urges churches to make gun control a moral issue. I thought there was supposed to be separation of church and state, so that the state doesn't overstep their boundaries into the churches' belief systems.
That part IS a moral issue. Government should NOT have churches make this their fight.

J Thomas
Sandy, UT

Interesting! Separation of Church and State, except when the government wants help on issues it decides are moral issues. Typical Joe Bieden.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Manners, confidence and trust. This administration is lacking in.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

I cannot for the life of me believe the extent to which people who profess belief in religion can at the same time condone the fact that anyone can purchase assault rifles, which have not purpose whatsoever except to kill people, and do so without even a criminal and mental health background check! Incredible!

This, despite the fact that 90% of American voters favor extended background checks for purchase of such weapons.

Where in the world did we lose the idea that lawmakers should represent the people, not special interest groups?

1conservative
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

The demos. told us that they needed more gun control to "help the kids"; yet they don't seem to show much outrage at the tens of thousands of abortions performed each year, which, as far as I can see run counter to their claim to "help the kids".

What am I missing in their logic?

Due to the "gosnell" trial and the undercover cameras at planned parenthood, and the resulting SILENCE from the demos on those issues, I'm afraid their latest gun control proposal under the guise of "protecting the innocent" fall on deaf ears.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Gun control is a moral issue.

Only an evil government would disarm its citizens.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . 90% of American voters favor extended background checks . . . ."

No, they don't.

That's just another liberal big lie they hope people will come to believe if they bleat it loud enough and long enough.

It won't work. And, discredited liberal people-control measures won't pass because real people don't support them.

We oppose them.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Biden was given this task because Obama knew it would fail. If it looks like another Waterloo, Joe Biden is sent out to manage the campaign.
At this point the democrats want to keep it alive to energize the progressives and keep them warm for the midterms.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Let's tackle both guns and abortion. Both need some very serious changes to tighten them up.

And by the way, compare the abortion stances of both the Democratic Party and the LDS Church. They really are quite similar in their allowance of abortions when necessary -- and restriction of those that are not than conservative scare mongers would have us believe.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Joe Biden is not being truthful! Obamas and Bidens own Justice Dept reported in a Jan 4. summary of research on gun policies that the effectiveness of Universal checks depends on requiring gun registration. On Feb. 13 Rep. Barbara Lee D CA. and Jim Moran D VA. introduced H.R. 661 which would repeal the requirement that NICS records be destroyed within 24 hours. Other attacks on legal protections for gun owners was in that bill. In 1995 Sen. Feinstein said: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them. Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in - I would have done it. I could not do that the votes werent here. When Biden or any other Liberal promises anything be very afraid. Beware!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . compare the abortion stances of both the Democratic Party and the LDS Church."

Democrat Party -- ". . . strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay."

LDS Church -- "Elective abortion for personal or social convenience is contrary to the will and the commandments of God. Church members who submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions may lose their membership in the Church."

Yeah, those two statements sound about the same -- NOT.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"And by the way, compare the abortion stances of both the Democratic Party and the LDS Church. They really are quite similar in their allowance of abortions when necessary"

They are rather similar on paper, but they are practically very different. Read Elder Nelson's talk about abortion from a few years ago (2008, I think) in the Ensign. Here's the truth about abortion that democrats seem to want to deny:

Only about 1-3% of all abortions done are for the necessary reasons (incest, rape, or life risk of mother or child) the democrats and LDS Church states. Even then, the LDS Church says that in those cases is when you should consider abortion, not when abortion is the answer.

Let's get somebody else to look up and answer the next question:

How many people die by gun violence in the U.S. every year and how many unborn children are killed in abortion in the U.S. every year?

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Real moral issues are what he has kept his conscience from for the past 60 years. He doesn't believe in self-protection as he has the secret service and government employees protecting him. He has a life that people coming from nations that have tyranny as the general rule that has imbedded in their DNA from survival of the fittest. When they go to sleep at night they have one eye open and ears peeled just in case they are going to be abducted. Even the early settlers had that in our country. Survival is what it is about. The Constitution of the United States of America had people with those skills and honing in their documents they gave us. It may have been hard for some but the British would have had a hay-day in rural America without people on the frontier living life with their rifle. They didn't have cell phones or telegraph at the time and their method of protection was the rifle, knife and even a stick to beat off their offender. There were no hard-hats or safety toed shoes, only old Betsey by their side and a lot were one shot.

Jefferson
Kalispell, MT

In response to One Old Man: The official Democrat Stance on Abortion: Strongly and unequivocally support Roe v. Wade. (Sep 2012) Invest in stem cell and other medical research. (Nov 2006) Pursue embryonic stem cell research. (Jul 2004) Support right to choose even if mother cannot pay. (Jul 2004) Choice is a fundamental, constitutional right. (Aug 2000)

Average of over 2 million "legal" and reported abortions performed in the US every year for the past 20(+) years. 11,000 gun homicides in the US last year, down 39% over the past 20 years (article in today's Deseret News.)

We can impmrove in both areas, but don't try equating the LDS Church stand on abortion with the Democrat Party. Biden hasn't figured out that we don't "make" moreal issues.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Absolutely Joe! Thank you for reminding all of us that there is a connection between this right and God! It is a moral issue, one that is unalienable, constitutional, and totally connected to my religious faith! God bless America and God bless my 2nd amendment right! Perhaps there is hope for our progressive friends who see Government as more moral and more powerful than God!

jsf
Centerville, UT

In 2004 Michele Obama penned a letter for her husbands campaign supporting partial birth abortion. She said it was constitutionally allowable. A process which kills a living breathing child. The pioneer of this method of killing children actually admits this process is not performed when the mother is at risk, and is performed on health children. Barack voted to allow this method. I don't think the NAZIS had any worse method of killing people. Old Man not close to the church's position.

Four cities in the US with the tightest gun control laws and regulations push the US to the high end of gun homicides in the world. Remove their statistics from the total US and the US drops to the low end of the list. Gun homicides even with these numbers has decreased by 39% since 1993. Given these facts, gun control equals gun homicide increases in a country that has no moral repugnance to the murder of millions of children. Have you heard any liberal speak out about the vile acts of Gosnell?

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