Brother Dave, I've heard all of the following terms used officially by the
Church at different times: CloseConsolidate Discontinue
Dissolve Combine I've never heard them use the term
"re-combine." A couple of years ago the Mesa Arizona South
Stake was "discontinued" and its units were split between two
neighboring stakes, whereupon one of those stakes was immediately renamed the
"Mesa Arizona South Stake." Last year the Elliot Groves Middle Singles
Ward, hosted by the Tempe Arizona West Stake, was officially "closed."
Branches, districts, missions, wards and stakes come and go as needed. The
people for whom these units are created will go on forever. Skeptic,
as of 3 years ago the busiest temple outside Utah was the Mesa Arizona Temple.
Yes, we need more (and we're finally getting them in AZ)!The
Ogden Temple will be beautiful, but if they do the same thing with Provo the ole
slide carousel look will be gone forever. I don't know how I feel about
The leadership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints takes very
seriously the building of the Temples. They are built because they are needed.
Much great work is performed in these Temples, eternal marriages, sealings, etc.
all of great importance and the main thing I want to say is that the LDS Church
does not waste money on anything. They use good judgement and all of the
decisions come through much prayer and fasting. You will never have to wonder
about waste and trying to"impress" the public...what is being done is
required by the Lord.
Dear Skeptic,I remember the thrill I and many other members felt when the
Dallas Temple was announced and especially when it was dedicated and we got to
go to a temple 120 miles away instead of over 1000 miles away. How blessed our
lives have been since October 1984. It was a great wait for us when the temple
was closed for renovations and an addition. I have a close friend who lives in
Cedar City and after their temple was announced in April Conference I phoned him
and briefly shared his joy. Of course, they can travel to St. George, but their
opportunities to attend the House of the Lord will be greatly enhanced after
their own temple is dedicated. I encourage you to visit with your bishop and
with the holy scriptures and with the Lord in prayer and gain a desire to attend
the temple on a regular basis yourself.
It is wonderful that the work is moving forward piece by piece.
I used to live in Orange County, California and had a colleague from Compton.
He told me the church he went to had previously been an LDS chapel; it even had,
if I remember correctly, a stained glass window of the First Vision.
Interestingly, he said the congregation voted to keep it rather than replace it
because they liked the feel of it even though it didn't match their
Brother Dave: The church does sale older buildings when new ones are built. I
know of two of those buildings in Provo. But they were not sold til new ones
Actually the Los Angeles Temples was the first in California: Dedicated in 1956.
The Oakland Temple came next: Dedicated in 1964. Oakland was the only
Templethat was built and dedicated during the 1960's. Then came
Ogden and Provo (simultaneously)in the early 1970's. The Washington
D.C. Temple came in 1974."Snowman": Technically speaking,
the Church maybe doesn't "close" stakes, but they do re-combine some with others when the LDS population decreases. That even
happens in the Salt Lake Valley. The Church even sells some its Chapels when
that happens too. Sometimes other denominations buy those Chapels that were
originally built as "LDS" Chapels when LDS population decreaese in some
areas.The Chapel, that I attended as a teenager, in the West LA area
disappeared in the late 1980's becuase people didn't want to go there
anymore becuase their cars were being broken intowhile they were at Church
services. So things such as wards and stakes do "consolodate"When
mhilton: FYI THe chuech doesn't close stakes.
Both the Payson Temple and the Provo City Center Temple will greatly alleviate
the pressure on the Provo temple. Traffic through Provo by patrons to access
the temple from the south will be virtually eliminated as well. The PCC Temple
will have such a positive influence on downtown Provo. What a serene spirit will
envelope the already bustling city center as the Temple becomes a reality with
it's surrounding immaculate green space.
I'd be surprised if they EVER reconstructed the Provo temple. It along
with SLC temple are open 6 days whereas most, if not all, of the others are open
only 5 days a week. As for full untilization, I can tell you the
the LA temple is underutilized, for at least a couple of reasons for that.1. CA LDS population has moved, mostly to Utah. They have actually closed 2
stakes in So. Cal and one in No. Cal. (that I know of) due to a declining LDS
population.2. They have built 3 additional temples in So Cal, San Diego,
Newport Beach and Redlands, which has taken a large percentage of the So. Cal
population away from the LA temple. 3. The location of the LA temple is
horrible now. Can take 2-3 hours to get there at times, depending on traffic
vs. max 1.5 hours to get to redlands from here. When the LA temple
was built, there were only 2 temples in CA, Oakland and Los Angeles. Times are
Another note concerning the number of temples, the need, and how busy they
are.The size of the temple that is built is dependent on the
population of likely patrons. Thus, in areas of the world with relatively few
members of the Church, a smaller temple will be built. In areas with large
numbers of members of the Church (or with a rapidly expanding membership, or
that will be serving a larger area for the near future) then a larger temple is
built. The size, location, and number of temples pragmatically
addresses a sacred need. One way to think of it is that, ideally, a member of
the Church won't have to engage in overnight travel to attend the temple.
One more comment to Skeptic: the workload of temples depends on how busy and
involved members are with their own family history. Many LDS are 1st to 3rd
generation converts, and their pioneer ancestry (yes, we are all pioneers in one
sense or another) has not been completed. Brand-new converts have a LOT of work
to do in making names available to temples. Of the billions of people that have
lived on earth, very few (comparatively speaking) have had their temple work
done. True, there may be some religious and geographical areas where
taking a name to an LDS Temple is sensitive. But the vast numbers of individuals
and families where no questions exist; that could be done, is much larger than
those that have delicate questions attached.Family history is the
Owl,Thanks, I am not sure I would be appreciated. However, I think
genealogy is a fun trp.
This gives me such a warm feeling inside.
Skeptic,You can make them better utilized with your frequent attendance.
skeptic,Is there a need for so many temples? Absolutely. As to how
they perform vs. capacity? I think that is variable.My very limited
observation of Utah and Idaho based temples indicates that those temples are
pretty busy most of the time. Here in the east, my limited observations suggest
that evenings and weekends are busy but they are slow during the day.Outside of the Inter-mountain West, the benefit of there being many temples is
to reduce distance and allow more frequent attendance by those who wish to go.
When I was younger in the NE, the closest temple was 10 hours away. Visiting
frequently was extremely difficult. Now, even in the east, it is usually the
case that temples are less than 4 hours away and often within an hour or two.
This makes frequent temple attendance much easier, for which most members are
very grateful (I certainly am).
This one has special meaning as our family was sealed in the Ogden Temple in
1974. The SCL temple was closed and the Elder that baptized our family was from
Ogden. He was still on his mission, but his folks went with my parents and and
helped us all out. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished
AWESOME!"And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and
to EVERY nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,Saying with a
LOUD voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is
come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the
fountains of waters." - Revelations 14:6-7Like I said:
AWESOME!Let's get to work!"And I saw another
angel fly in the midst of heaven having the everlasting gospel
Abeille: The Provo Temple is the busiest
Skeptic -Yes, it depends (but Ogden has, historically, been one of
the busiest temples), and I'm not sure anyone has those figures.
Beautiful new temple. I hope they redo the Provo temple as that 1970's
architecture is so bad.
To the person posing as Chris B What have you done with Chris B?
Either this message is extremely sarcastic OR you fell and hit your head. Any
Ransome notes should be sent via Coach Mendenhall. I am sure there are many BYU
fans willing to donate or chip in to keep this imposter posting nice thngs. I
will even hit like. Must be the last days. I will take it as face
value and agree with you 100%. I remember going through the Ogden Temple open
house as a 13 year old kid.
Is there really a need for so many temples, and are they all performing at near
capacity and what is the production figure.
This is neat-o. Lots of blessings in Ogden for everyone!