UtahYouthRugby:"BYU vs. Utah is the most anticipated National
Rugby Rivalry..."Laughable. That honor goes to BYU vs Cal. No
other rivalry is even close.
@StG, VegasUte "I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that part of the
probation when the club couldn't use the school's name was that the
school would not be funding the club at all, either."If
that's true, then that makes a lot more sense. Good on the University for
that, then, since it looks like they were able to work out a deal with the rugby
team that was a harsh enough punishment for the violations, yet still allowed
the rugby team to play.It's too bad the rugby program
didn't uphold their end of the bargain, but again, good for the U for
suspending them for violating their agreement.I hope it all gets
resolved and that the Ute rugby program gets back on track. Collegiate sports
in Utah just aren't the same without a BYU/Utah match-up, which is why the
next couple of years in football will be a bit of a bummer.I like
trash-talking with Ute fans as much as the next BYU fan :), but putting all of
that aside, I respect the U and their athletics program.Best of
luck, Utes! Go Cougars!
Light punishment is becoming synonymous with Ute sports.
TrueCoug - StGtoSLC has is right from what I understand too. It gets a bit
confusing, but the U handled it correctly.Gone Fishin - Where I
agree with you on Chris B, you lost me on the "yet another" comment, as
if the tds has no black eyes. Please!! Reasonable and Chris B -
see CougFaninTx post.Go Utes!!
Sometimes I get embarrassed by what my fellow Coug fans write, but I'm glad
to hear many of U are embarrassed by your #1 commenter. Can someone
tell me what I'm missing. How does suspending the program for 2013 impact
Utah Rugby, since the 2013 season is already over?
@ Reasonable thinkerAlcohol consumption during a school related
activity and even assault pale in comparison to a child molester. Especially
when the horrible acts committed against children were kept hidden. Shame on
you for even trying to draw a parallel between Utah Rugby and Penn State
TrueCoug 1,Let's remember that we are talking the Uof U here. They
have different standards than BYU and will let a lot of things go as long as it
means a win. The PAC 10 is kind of that way. I worked for PAC 10 school for
many years and saw it all the time. Man heads were turned when infractions were
committed. It all comes down to wins no matter how many lies are covere up.
Reminds me of Penn State.
I hope everyone can see that Chris B. lives life by a different set of rules
where assault IS OK."Kids being kids" does not cut it in the
real book of life. As grown ups we all have the responsibility to act as such
and live by the rules we all agreed to when we sign up for things.This is yet another black eye for the U.
truecoug1, I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that part of the probation
when the club couldn't use the school's name was that the school would
not be funding the club at all, either. The probation simply gave the team an
avenue to continue practicing and competing on their own terms, but had to come
up with different uniforms, travel vehicles and funds, etc.
continuedIt makes it look the like the university is sending the
message that "It's okay if you violate school rules, but heaven forbid
if you associate yourself with that school, even though that school still
administers your program."I think the University's done the
right thing in suspending the program, I just think it's a little weird
that the program got suspended for violating an agreement they had with the
university to not associate themselves with the U (when they were, in fact,
still being administered BY the University) and that they weren't suspended
for the actual violation of school rules.But hopefully the rugby
program gets back on track next year so that we can see the Wasatch Cup renewed!
Ok, so, I'm a little confused here. The rugby team is a club sport that is
administered by the University of Utah under their Campus Recreation services.
The rugby team violated school rules (involving alcohol and assault)
back in May 2012 on a school-sanctioned trip, yet they were allowed to play out
the rest of that year as long as they registered under a different club name and
did not associate themselves with the U in any way. But
they're still administered by the University. So I'm not sure what the
point of that was.Then, when the rugby team starts calling
themselves the University of Utah rugby team this season and again starts
associating themselves with the school that does still administer them, the
school immediately suspends the program.So what I'm confused by
is why not just suspend the rugby program in the first place, when the actual
school violations occurred? Why go through all of this rigmarole of trying to
distance the university from the rugby team when the rugby program is, in fact,
still administered by the university?
Utah rugby needed new leadership. The high school talent in Utah is unreal and
there is no reason why the Utes shouldn't be on the same level as BYU and
Cal. Only new leadership will get them to the top.
Want to see the U program back on track. Great program and great team. Sad to
see many on this team suffer for the stupidity of a few. On the
lighter side it just is no fun winning a National Championship without beating
the UTES first. See you in 2014
Over the weekend, BYU wins a Rugby National Championship over the powerhouse,
PAC-12 CAl Bears, and Utah suspends their program for a year. Seems about
I hope that the 7's will finally follow the 15 man game and stop playing
its tournaments on Sunday. This same reason was why BYU didn't start
playing in the Collegiate Rugby playoffs for years. It would be fun to have BYU
and Utah play each other in 7's too.
Sky - You completely misread my post. Look at the context of the message I was
responding to. The post I was responding to was trying to tie a club sport in
with the same rules of an NCAA sanctioned sport. If you just look at the
context, you will know also that your post is way out of context. But why am I
wasting my breath - misinterpreting a post has never stopped a tds troller
before.As far as your comment about discipline, again your post is
way out of context. Whitt is bound by rules set by the University on
discipline. I have no idea what you are referring to with Roscoe, but I'm
sure it will be spun to fit your needs. I personally know of many instances
where you are wrong, but you can believe what you want. The difference is that
I don't troll tds stories trying to prove you are wrong, I really
don't care what YOU believe about your team. It's just really telling
to me that you are on a Utah story about RUGBY talking about one specific
football incident the tds are still bitter over.Go Utes!!
VegasUte"Utah is not "so opposed" to the program being
associated with the University. If you read anything about the story, you will
know that the team had been suspended and were not supposed to have been playing
for the U during the suspension. Wearing the Utah logo was a violation of the
suspension. A little knowledge goes a long way!"You're
trying to spin that the university was completely unaware that their own rugby
team was still competing against other PAC 12 schools AFTER the rugby team was
suspended?Apparently, knowledge doesn't go far at all on the
hill.As far as discipline in the football programs goes; Bronco
handles it by not even allowing a prized player to join the team for a year
after a drinking incident in high school, while Kyle hands out a 3-game
suspension to a starter for multiple failed drug tests.
atl134: I thought I did clarify when I wrote: "THAT IS SERIOUS, male or
female!" The FACTS are that there was alcohol and there was an ASSAULT of a
trainer. (and a possibility that it was a female) It is also a fact that the
University is taking appropriate steps in handling this situation by banning the
team from representing them this year by not allowing them to have any
representation of the school on their uniforms. I hope they get beyond this,
learn from this and come back stronger and able to represent the U in a positive
Happy to see that the Utes can finally move forward. @Whoa Nellie, clearly you
know nothing about rugby. BYU vs. Utah is the most anticipated National Rugby
Rivalry, let's get it going again next year! Go Utes!
Rockwell, still having trouble differentiating Campus Rec from University
Athletics, I see. Campus Rec sticks to the rules put in place for them,
University Athletics has a different set of procedures in addition to the NCAA
procedures they have to follow. Once again, this has nothing to do with the swim
team. A better example would be if the school's club hockey team broke
Campus Rec's rules, they would have the same punishment.
@RockwellThe problem is that the team is a club sport and not part of the
athletic department. Once suspended you are no longer part of the University
and so are not allowed to wear or represent your self as a part of the
University. Doing so is tatamount to thumbing your nose at the administration
and the suspension.Chris B.Let's educate you a little before
you get some one hurt or get yourself in serious trouble.Laughing off or
ignoring a suspension, such as a suspended drivers license, suspended
professional certification etc. can get you permanently banned for driving or
working in that profession. That the Rugby team got off with a wrist slap for
flauntingly ignoring the suspension is a blessing to the team and being flippant
doesn't help.@Whoa Nellie- Utah has a good Rugby team traditionally
and won one national title.
Rockwell,The rugby team is a club sport, COMPLETELY different than
swimming or anything else involving scholarships.So yes, part of
their suspension was to not wear anything bearing the Utah name or the drum
& feather. This is of course not the case when the team is not under
Rockwell: Rugby is a club sport. "Collegiate club sports are any sports
offered at a university or college that compete competitively with other
universities or colleges but are not regulated by the National Collegiate
Athletic Association or a similar intercollegiate athletic association."
They have different rules than NCAA sanctioned sports and thus the discipline is
different. The team could have continued, just not under the Utah banner. This
is COMPLETELY different than swimming, which is a NCAA sanctioned sport and is
regulated by the NCAA. Utah won the national Rugby 7s title a couple of years
ago, but it does not count as an NCAA team championship because it is a club
sport.See the difference?
Glad to see the suspension limited to 2013. As an objective fan of the U,
unlike Chris B, I am glad that this kind of undisciplined action is being
corrected. This is NOT how we want the university represented.SportsFan: With the football team, this kind of action would not have been
allowed by the coaches. Any kind of disciplinary action would have been taken
swiftly, and the football team would not have tried to remedy the action trying
to skirt the rules. Seems to me that would be the same answer if you asked
about how the tds football team would have treated it. Disciplinary actions
concerning alcohol and drugs are required in Provo too, so don't get too
highhanded.Rockwell: Utah is not "so opposed" to the
program being associated with the University. If you read anything about the
story, you will know that the team had been suspended and were not supposed to
have been playing for the U during the suspension. Wearing the Utah logo was a
violation of the suspension. A little knowledge goes a long way!Go
Utes!! Looking forward to watching more U rugby in the near future.
Kids? No kidding. They clearly have a lot of growing up to do.
Rugby Magazine confirmed that Blake Burdette is no longer the head coach of the
University of Utah. Burdette, a tight end on the 2004 Utah football team that
finished the season undefeated, went on to become an Eagle hooker and play in
the 2007 Rugby World Cup. Several University of Utah players also
signed their name to a press release distributed Monday, outlining the two years
of infractions that saw the team’s 2013 season end abruptly before the
annual Wasatch Cup match with rival BYU.
Reno Cougs Fan 68Sorry, but your explanation is lacking. Does Utah
force every team that runs afoul of university policies to remove Utah logos
from their uniforms? For example, will Utah's swimming team not be allowed
to wear Utah logos next season?
Rockwell,In answer to your question. The BYU Rugby team did not get
themselves suspended or put on probation by their school, so they are in good
standing!!! See the difference?
The real question here is how in the world was the Utah team ever invited to the
championship series ahead of Central Washington in the first place?
"The result of the misdemeanor was a school-issued suspension, the terms of
which the team then violated by "[competing] with many of its Pac-12 rivals
during 2012/13 and [wearing] jerseys during the competitions bearing the
University's drum and feather logo," the team's statement
said."It's interesting that in reviewing pictures from
BYU's Varsity Cup National Championship win over Cal at BYU's South
Field, it's obvious that BYU has no such reservations about BYU Rugby
uniforms bearing the Y logo.Why is Utah so opposed to their program
being associated with the U?
chris"Nothing serious happened. It was just a matter of some
kids being kids. Nothing to see here."The University of Utah
sport club manual lists "use of alcoholic beverages or any illegal drugs
during club activities or sanctioned travel" as one of six infractions that
result in expulsion.Seems that either you or the U are dead wrong
about the seriousness of "kids" drinking alcohol during sanctioned
travel.It would be interesting to see how the U would handle a
similar incident of drinking and assaulting trainers if it was done by the Ute
"a lot of the trainers are female so this means a Rugby player assaulted a
female"I agree with the overall point in the rest of your post
but let's just stick to what is known for a fact.
Chris B: REALLY? Nothing serious happened. It was just a matter of some kids
being kids. Nothing to see here.Assaulting a trainer is SOMETHING
SERIOUS! From what I have seen over the years a lot of the trainers are female
so this means a Rugby player assaulted a female. THAT IS SERIOUS, male or
female! I am glad that the University is taking this serious and the
appropriate discipline is being administered! GOOD JOB UTES!
"And I bet we won't hear a word from Chris Hill about this, rabble
rabble rabble!!"In all seriousness, this is very good news for
the club, and hopefully it will give them enough time to procure a good coach
and build a good foundation of a team to start back up with. As far as the club
emerging stronger than it was before, it's way too early to say, but it
will be much better disciplined, which can't hurt.
Hopefully, we'll see the Utes back in the college rugby scene next year.
Nothing serious happened. It was just a matter of some kids being kids.
Nothing to see here.Move along.Go UTES!