@Propblast1You didn't watch the game did you? Come on, you can be
honest. It was a free Webcast, I watched it and it wasn't pay per view.
You missed the best game of the year.Yes, I agree USA Rugby needs to clean
their house and recognize they are losing their support at the college ranks.
USA Rugby had their chance, dropped the ball and the two biggest revenue schools
have left you. I don't think USA Rugby is going to fix this. They will
see more and more teams willing to jump at a chance to play real competition
rather than be suckered into playing without reasonable compensation.If
there is an issue driving teams out of USA Rugby, try dropping them and see what
happens to USA Rugby participation.
So BYU and Cal can continue to face easy competition then play each other at the
end of the season and they will fade away. College rugby will continue improve
as more teams adopt a varsity approach to the game and will go on. The Varsity
Cup will grow tired and boring in just a few seasons of isolation. Good luck
Propblast1"They would also face a great challenge in playing St.
Mary's, Life, or Arkansas State. Why not play them?"Talk
about hypocritical diatribe. Sadly for USA Rugby, it's St. Mary's,
Life, and Arkansas State who won't be playing the best competition.Either you didn't watch the Cal-BYU match or you don't know
much about rugby, because the Varsity Cup National Championship match was one of
the most exciting and best played college rugby matches of the year.I attended live and in person BYU's national championship matches versus
Arkansas State last season and versus California this year, and frankly, the
Cal-BYU match was far superior.In its first year, the Varsity Cup
was better organized and a greater commercial success than USA Rugby was able to
produce. How many automatic qualifiers didn't even bother to compete in
USAR's post season tournament?Don't be too surprised to
see Saint Mary's, Life, Arkansas State and others joining the Varsity Cup
@mussingaroundIf we go by your logic then BYU shouldn't have
bothered playing Cal this year because Cal beat them two years ago. Did you
notice the scores you posted for BYU against Life and ASU from last year were
the most competitive games BYU played in 2012? Absolutely Cal and BYU should
play St. Mary's, Life, and ASU if they want to be the National Champion.
@UteanymousDavid Smyth and Jack Clark are the people who birthed the
Varsity Cup idea, pulled their teams out of USA Rugby, and talked 6 other teams
into quitting too. What would you expect them to say? The players
just finished a great game of rugby. The BYU kids are, of course, going to be
very happy to have beaten Cal. They would also face a great challenge in
playing St. Mary's, Life, or Arkansas State. Why not play them?As to the online webcast. It was pay per view. USA Rugby has ESPN3
webcasting and ESPNU broadcasting the USA Rugby Division 1-A National
Championship. It's free if you have access to those channels. The
Championship will be played in a beautiful facility at the University of North
Carolina, Greensboro.I'm not arguing that the game between Cal
and BYU wasn't good or that these teams don't have fan support.
I'm arguing that they should be playing the best competition available and
working with the governing body of rugby to improve the game.
Propblast1"I do not agree that the two best teams played for the
Varsity Cup title. Two of the the best teams played but not the two best.
They'd have to prove that they are the best by beating Life, Arkansas
State, and St. Mary's."BYU beat Saint Mary's 53-17,
Life 26-20, and Arkansas St. 49-42 on their way to wining the national
championship last year.BYU beat the same team (UCLA) in the
quarterfinals of the Varsity Cup this year, as they beat in the quarterfinals of
the USA Rugby championship last season, and BYU beat the most dominant team
(Cal) in college rugby for the last 30+ years in the final; what makes you think
the outcome would have been any different if Life, Arkansas St and Saint
Mary's had been playing in the Varsity Cup National Championship this year?
Propblast1According to Rugby Magazine, in the end it was a terrific
spectacle, well-broadcast online and a sellout crowd at BYU's South Field.
It was a commercial success and a rugby success."To have a team
like Cal on our home field and to be playing for the Varsity Cup is something
you just never thought would happen," said BYU senior captain Ryan Roundy,
"And then to win this game the way we did. It’s going to take a while
for it to really set in.""The crowd, the broadcast and the
events surrounding today’s Varsity Cup National Championship shows
we’re moving this sport in the right direction, said BYU head coach David
Smyth. "If today’s game is an example of things to come for the
Varsity Cup, then I’m excited to see where it and collegiate rugby can
go."Sounds like you've got a lot of convincing to do to get
Cal and BYU to return to USA Rugby.
Sports Fan:By working with dozens of other good college teams Cal
and BYU could do much more faster to influence USA Rugby.If USA
Rugby wanted to play hardball, they could push the Varsity Cup teams off of the
USA Rugby registration. Their players would not be insured, their practices and
games would not be insured, and the players would not be eligible for the All
Americans or the USA National Team. I do not agree that the two
best teams played for the Varsity Cup title. Two of the the best teams played
but not the two best. They'd have to prove that they are the best by
beating Life, Arkansas State, and St. Mary's. I know Cal beat St.
Mary's by 10 points (that's a very competitive game!). BYU have not
played St. Mary's this year. What they've done in past seasons is
not important in 2013, they have to beat the best to be the best.
Propblast1"Bailing out doesn't help anyone
involved."Actually, you're wrong. Cal and BYU
bailing on USA Rugby will either force USAR to address its problems and then do
everything it can to try to persuade Cal and BYU to return, or USAR will be
forced to the sidelines as a new, more effective organization takes its
place.Regardless, if you're as involved with college rugby as
you claim to be, you have to concede that the two best teams in country played
in the Varsity Cup National Championship match on BYU's South Field last
@UteanymousI'm a former rugby player, former rugby coach,
former State SBRO officer who wants to see American rugby improve. The comment
about Jack is just the truth about Jack, it's not slanderous. He's
going to say anything to prop up this Varsity Cup thing. Just look at the
Varsity Cup web site. If you didn't know better, you'd think that the
Varsity Cup was the top 8 teams in the country. It's far from that. USA Rugby has gotten rugby to where it is today. USA Rugby is
recognized by the International Rugby Board as the governing body of American
rugby. We (players, coaches, State officers, and fans) need to help drive USAR
in the best directions. Bailing out doesn't help anyone involved.
Propblast1You sound like a jealous troll just looking to justify the
inept management of USA Rugby that finally forced Cal, BYU, Utah, UCLA, Navy,
and others to abandon a failing organization.Proof of that
continuing failure was seen again this season, when USA Rugby couldn't even
get all of their automatic qualifying teams to participate in their
"championship" tournament.Trying to compare Cal and BYU
leaving USA Rugby, to the Steelers and the Cowboys leaving the NFL is laughable.
The NFL is one of the most profitable and successful professional sports
organization on the planet, whereas USA Rugby is one of the least profitable and
most disorganized sports organizations.Disparaging Cal's coach
shows just how desperate your are.
Jack Clark, yeah, he's a modest fellow. Since he and the BYU coach
organized the placebo competition he isn't a credible source for
determining the tournament's value. The Steelers and the
Cowboys have a lot of NFL titles between them. Let's say they quit the NFL
because they want more revenue and got the Browns, Jaguars, Panthers, Chargers,
and a couple of Canadian Football League teams to join them in a new league,
would that make the new league better than the NFL? We all know the answer to
that. By the tone of your comments, I know you are upset that your
favorite team quit playing college rugby to join this Varsity Cup thing. You
should direct your anger toward the coaches and administration that cooked up
this placebo league. Nothing good will come of this secondary competition or of
such self serving comments as Jack Clark is prone to make.
Propblast1"We should stay away from artificial preservatives,
artificial sweeteners, and artificial championships." For
artificial championship - see USA Rugby tournament without Cal and BYU.In Rugby Magazine's latest rankings for all college divisions, ALL 8
Varsity Cup teams are ranked in the Top 25, while only 6 of the 9 USA Rugby
tournament teams are ranked.As Jack Clark, Cal's head coach,
rightly pointed out, "To us it's [the Varsity Cup] the national
championship, nothing more or less. We acknowledge there is a second
championship being contested, but this other competition isn't comprised of
the winners of 31 of the 33 national championships like the Varsity Cup.
I'll let others enjoy the debate, but on the Varsity Cup campuses, there is
The Varsity Cup is a placebo. Of course, the patient never knows that he or she
is taking a placebo until it is revealed. It's only at the finish that the
patient recognizes that he was duped. You will see.
@Propblast1So we finally identified you as a USARugby staff member. Now about artificial sweetner...look who has no sugar. Get over it, it was
THE championship between the two best teams. By the way, that whoa, and
misery, and lost opportunity, and shame for wasting their year of eligibility
you so warned about. Didn't see it in their faces. Just joy, just
satisfaction, just pride in being the best. In fact both teams had it.Not
an unhappy customer in the lot.Bet they do it again next year.Unless
of course USA Rugby gets it's act together and dare I say...begs to have
them come back. Varsity cup could end up being a 32 game bracket at this rate.
Why do people think this isn't a "real" championship just because
there are so few teams?I guess that means the NBA champions ship
isn't real, because there are so few teams. Or NFL. Or MLB. Or any other
pro-league.Yes, there are few teams. Which mean only the best tend
to get to play which often leads to a better product. Or do you think we need
more games like Alabama vs. W Carolina?BYU won a championship in
Rugby. It is what it is. Get over it.
Chris B,I've already given my diagnosis of you. Its a simple
one. But accurate.
We should stay away from artificial preservatives, artificial sweeteners, and
artificial championships. They're all unhealthy. Of course a Cal v BYU
game is a good game. It's the only good game the Varsity Cup produced. If
you want to see more good games like that then Cal and BYU should get back in
@propblast1Still waiting to learn who you are. You sound like the
USA Rugby PR guy. You work for USA Rugby?By the way, you missed the
best Rugby game of the year. Go Cougars, U.S.A. National Rugby
ChampionsThanks Cal, great game and great sportsmanship.
RE: Propblast1"if it was for the work that USA Rugby has done
over the decades we probably wouldn't be having this discussion
today."WE'RE not having this discussion today. Just you
are. The rest of us are congratulating BYU's rugby team for having just
won the national championship. Go Cougs!
Congrats to the National Champions!!!
Say what you want about USA Rugby. I agree that USAR could do a better job with
college rugby and many other aspects of the American game. They aren't even
close to perfect. To improve the governing body of American rugby we all need to
work together. USA Rugby belongs to us, the players, coaches and fans of
American rugby. Just keep this in mind, if it wasn't for the
work that USA Rugby has done over the decades we probably wouldn't be
having this discussion today. They have, at the very least, gotten us to the
point where we have tens of thousands of kids playing rugby. Thousands of high
school and U-19 teams playing, hundreds of colleges and universities and
hundreds of clubs. We don't need to recreate the wheel, we just need to
improve the wheel.
@Chris B.You realize that you had (at this moment) 67 likes on your
comment about the Book of Mormon play. It was because you made a real effort to
be positive and supportive of others.As of this moment, you have one
like for your comment on this article. Probably your own.As we used
to say at work...67 "atta boys" can be lost with "one foot in your
mouth"I suggested you stay away from sports articles but you
just couldn't resist could you.
The PAC 12 will not be calling BYU, Chris. Their past recruiting shows they want
to fill out the low end of the league. But they may change their name to the
Conference of Second Place Teams.
Chrissy B - Admit it - you were proud of the Cougars. Deep down.
@Chris BHow sad and irrelevant, U be...........BYU's
shadow never ceases to engulf you.Your rival wins a National Championship
and all your have is more Smack? -Utah's last Gymnastics
National Championship was in 1995!.... 18 years ago! -Utah's
last Skiing National Championship was in 2004! (Their only Championship
in skiing in the last 15 years.Those are Utah's only competitive
programs.In that same period of time BYU has won 10 National
Championships! -Volleyball..............3 -Women's Cross
Country...4 -Rugby...................3BYU has won National
Championships in.... -Football -Basketball -Golf -Track
and field -Men's Volleyball -Women's Cross Country
& -RugbyThat's 5 times the number of National
Championships that Utah has produced. And, not coincidentally, BYU has
also produced 5 times more All-Americans and Scholar Athletes than has Utah.Remember Chris, that the Pac, is all about the Olympic Sports.Now, would you care to debate who has the most diverse and best overall
Athletic Program?90% of Utah's National Championships have come in
Women's Gymnastics and Skiing.BYU has 10 Top-25 programs, year
in and year out.Utah, does not.Your Pac 10.2 "Mask of
False Bravado" has been removed.
Congratulations BYU on back-to-back Collegiate Rugby National Championships!One National Championship down, one more to go in Volleyball.And, the Lady Cougars Softball Team also won a conference championship
today.Championship weekend for BYU!Go Cougs!
Cal has definitely been king in this sport over the years. Beating them to win
the title makes it that much sweeter. Congratulations to the Cougar Rugby
squad.1 down, 1 to go.
BYU National Championions! Back to Back! Goooooo Cougars!
Hey Chris, the PAC called. They want their membership back!
More evidence, rugby and volleyball, that BYU has the best sports program in
My second rugby match in person. It was, and is an AWESOME sport ... if
you've never watched it, get to a game and have someone tutor you through
the rules and calls. Outstanding match on both sides, well played by the
boys. Congrats to both sides, you played yourselves proud.
Congratulations Cougars!! Great win. I watched the first half and then listened
to KSL Radio in the second half and I felt somewhat disappointed at the sarcasm
and offensive comments and jokes by the guys who were "calling" the
game, to cover up their lack of rugby knowledge. Also, this article should have
reported/written "DROP KICK" (the correct term) for the kick that won
the game. Rugby should now be an established sport for BYU - having won three
titles in the last five years - and should therefore acquire some knowledgeable
locals as reporters and writers. I'm sure the DesNews sportswriters too
should at least have enough knowledge - not necessarily experts - to cover the
game. Notwithstanding, it was a great game!
I have played football and rugby. Rugby is football for MEN! I have never been
so beat up and sore as after a rugby match.
The PAC12 may be on the phone, but not calling the utes except to find out if
they've cleaned up their rugby.
Hey Chris B! How did Utah Rugby end up this year? Probably the same place the
swim coach and Chris Hill will end up? Gone...forever. I love my Independence
and not being bogged down by an overrated conference where I can't even
watch my teams play unless I subscribe to an outrageous cable program available
in 4 or 5 states.
Yet ANOTHER national title! Doesn't get any better than that!
Chrissy, Glad to see you comment about BYU winning a National
Championship.How'd the Lady Utes do in gymnastics this year,
Thanks to whoever streamed the game. GREAT game to watch and great victory. Lots
of fun as sports ought to be. Excellent athletes hitting hard!!! Congrats to the
BYU Rugby Team. Best in college.
Yeah, baby! Way to go Cougars! Will BYUtv be able to replay the game?
This was the first Rugby game I have ever watched. I really enjoyed it, and I
was happy to see the Cougars win. But man, that is a rough game - no helmets,
pads, etc. I am surprised that there weren't a few of them carted off the
field and taken to the hospital! Tough kids.
And, I believe this counts in a certain unnamed rebel's terminology who
patrol these blogs as a win against his/her coveted PAC12 conference team, Cal!
So yahoo to the Cougars on winning the NATIONAL RUGBY CHAMPIONSHIP 2013~
"Write it down!"I LOVE being a loyal BYU fan. I also say
"Win!" to our exciting volleyball team tonight in LA.Go
I'll bet the Big 12 will be on the phone first thing Monday morning!LOL.
That was the best match of rugby ever played in the States. Unreal. That drop
kick stunned me at the end. Can't wait to watch the replay. Two great
National Champions and don't let Rugby USA pull anyone's leg and say
that was not the greatest pairing of top teams in the Nation!!! BYU is National
Champs and Cal is clearly the second best team in the Country.Fantastic
Game, the run called back at the 7-8 minute mark looked crucial but in the end
it was Linehan who was crucial. Great play, Well played by both teams.Thanks for Coming Cal Bears...You were great guests, excellent team, see you
next year.On to Volleyball!!!
Way to go Cougs! Back to back. Now let's all get behind our wonderful
volleyball team. Being a Cougar is so wonderful...going for two National
Championships in a single day has got to be some kind of NCAA record! I love
being a Cougar fan.
Great game! That was fun to watch. Congratulations BYU. Cal looked good as
well. These two are definitely the kings of their sport. Good job to all.
BEST. GAME. EVER.