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Published: Friday, May 3 2013 12:50 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

From the list:

Utah 20
byu 19

I love being it!

Christine B. Hedgefog
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh, you're it alright. You just don't understand what "it" the majority of commenters here, including real Ute fans, consider you to be!

rlsintx
Plano, TX

Where has UofU women's gymnastics disappeared to the last decade. They were such a force for many years.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

BYU could finish THIS WEEKEND with more national championships than the Utes have won THIS CENTURY!

And that doesn't even count the National Championship BYU's JV Basketball Team has already won.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

rlsintx

"Where has UofU women's gymnastics disappeared to the last decade."

The Red Rocks are still very competitive, but they've slipped a little since they won their last national championship almost 20 years ago, in 1995.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

You can put a huge * next to 1984

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

gonefishn

The real huge * should go next to 1944 - a team that only beat 2 college teams during the entire regular season has no business even playing in the post season, let alone thinking they won a national championship after losing in the opening round of the big boy tournament of the day.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

* 1984

* beat Utah in Rice Stadium to seal #1 ranking and the inside track to the national championship

GO_COUGARS!
Provo, UT

1984 is just like every other champion on this list! Except that all those other champions, at some point, beat someone else who was good at their sport.

gonefishn
Salt Lake City, UT

@deductive reasoning
Besides not addressing my comment directly you fail to realize that Utah won the NCAA title in 1944 and won the NIT in 1947 so take your pick. Furthermore, in 1944 after The Utes won the NCAA tournement they played they plated the lone team remaining from the NIT and beat them as well.

nosaerfoecioveht
NSL, UT

@Poor Reasoning

"a team that only beat 2 college teams during the entire regular season has no business even playing in the post season!"

LOL that team that had no business playing in the post season WON the NCAA tournament (beating a stacked Dartmouth team in OT), and then beat the NIT champs St. Johns in the Garden two nights later in front of over 18,000 fans.

Most people who don't wear bitter-blue tinted goggles would agree they had some business playing in the post season.

But since Utah's 1944 NCAA Championship bothers you so much, keep on spinnin' those facts.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Wow! Lone Peak has won more national championships this year, then the utes.

Combined wins in football, and basketball, the utes don't reach half of Lone Peaks bb victories. Roses have withered.

sammyg
Springville, UT

It's is interesting that this weekend BYU can nail as many National Championships in one weekend than the Utes have achieved in 10+ years.

Definitely a declining Ute trend showing up these past few years and no where did I notice BCS games listed. LOL

Consider yourself dominated Utes.

BYU has the total sports package in the state of Utah.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Ah, Utah, what have you done for me lately.

Chris, that's good. You counted to 20.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

gonefishn / nosaerfoecioveht

The team that won the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history, only beat Idaho State and Colorado College in the regular season, lost to Kentucky in the opening round of the NIT (the premier tournament in 1944), and then won three games against teams composed almost entirely of Freshmen.

Sorry winning a charity EXHIBTION game against the NIT champion is meaningless. That's like losing in the opening round of the NCAA tournament, and then beating the eventual tournament winner in an exhibition game and trying to claim U were national champions.

The Helms Athletic Foundation, an athletic foundation founded in 1936, put together a panel of experts to select National Champion teams and make All-America team selections in a number of college sports including football and basketball.

From 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms and NCAA Division I champions were the same, except for 1939, 1940, 1944, and 1954 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the tournament.

In 1944, the Helms Foundation selected Army(15-0) as National Champions.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

gonefishn

"Besides not addressing my comment directly you fail to realize that Utah won the NCAA title in 1944 and won the NIT in 1947..."

There's no need to address your jealous comment directly, its ludicrous, but since you insist:

After over a month of careful scrutiny of BYU and every major contender, BYU was selected 1984 Major College Football National Champion by ALL FIVE major national selecting organizations.

Besides the NCAA, which obviously has a vested interested in 1944, NOBODY selected Utah as national champion in either 1944 or 1947. The one neutral organization that did select champions in 1944 and 1947, the Helms Athletic Foundation, chose Army(15-0) in 1944 and Holy Cross(27-3) in 1947.

Unlike today, the NCAA tourney winner was not the defacto national champion in 1944; and neither was the 1947 NIT winner.

But, the AP College Football Champion is chosen in exactly the same way today as it was in 1984.

It's laughable that Utah fans are so quick to cite their 2004 and 2008 AP rankings as "gospel", yet question the wisdom of the same organization that selected BYU as the 1984 National Football Champion.

Cougarista
Salt Lake City, UT

Great to watch the Cougars. Thanks for making the post-BB season interesting. Good luck on Saturday. The ones to complain about the Cougs NC efforts are sad in so many ways.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Can we, for the sake of peace in the valley, agree for just a moment with our fellows on the hill that relevant history only begins in 2004? Anything before that belongs to our grandfathers' generation, right?

Since history began, Utah has exactly one (1) national championship. And that was in rugby, a sport the university is trying to disavow.

A quick count of championships won by other institutions of higher education shows that the university of Utah is barely keeping company with Weber State, and lagging badly behind others.

Of course, most of those seasons were spent in WACville and should therefore be counted as dross and duly discarded anyway, right?

Right?

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

My apologies, Weber. It's Utah State the Utes are barely keeping company with.

Weber has twice as many national championships SR (Since Relevance)

tdlawton
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Oh please NO ONE in 1966 considered he NIT on par with NCAA Basketball tourney...

The best team in the WAC that year was Utah and that Utah team when to the NCAA Final Four (to loose the famous '66 Texas Western [UTEP] team of Glory Road fame). Utah reaching the Final Four of the real championship in '66 was rightfully considered a much bigger deal than BYU's "consultation prize" of a NIT championship.

1951 is a more complicated story because up to 1950 the NIT was at least on par with the NCAA tourney, but after the 1950 NIT a huge point shaving scandal broke (google "CCNY scandal"). That scandal forever put the NIT as #2 vs. the NCAA tourny. All the "big name" schools skipped the NIT in '51

In fact BYU lost in the NCAA tourney in '51 before going on to win the NIT. Sorry Cougar fans, but no fan then and no historian now considers the '51 NIT champs to be equal to the 1951 NCAA Championship team from Kentucky.

Yes the NIT was a bigger deal in '51 and '66 than it is now, but honestly no one should consider those National titles.

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