Excluding the NIT, and AAU vague histories of both schools, BYU has 24 national
championships to Utah's 21 (not really sure where Chris B learned to
count). Both schools should be proud of that history but BYUs seems far more
impressive with championships in so much greater a variety of sports. Lacrosse,
football, soccer, volleyball, rugby, track and field, etc. Utah has gymnastics
and skiing (coed since 1983). While Utah has had some impressive feats in other
sports, they have never been able to get over the hump (well there was rugby but
were not sure if they own up ti that yet). No one outside of Utah cares that U
were ever second. History doesn't care. One of my favorite Nike shirts put
it best: "second place is the first loser". 2003, Utah...U better win
one soon because your impotence is making all your "big brother little
brother" diatribe sound foolish and tired, makes your daddy want to send u
to bed. U know who your daddy is Utah, regardless of how much U can't admit
Actually the Championship count is 26 Brigham Young University24 UtahBut nice try Chrissy B
@ gonefishin...1944 Hmmm... Seems like something was going on that
year that took a ton of athletes over seas and probably rendered Championships
meaningless... Oh yeah, it was World War II.
Actually Mr. Petersen this week filled of champioinships doesn't bring
anything else to mind except BYU's across the board domination in sports.
The weekend screams how good BYU is and how good they've been for years.
MR TDLAWTON: Wow you are bitter. But since you've taken it upon
yourself to "disqualify" Nat. Championship you might as well do that for
Utah NCAA championship too. They lost in the NIT and were taken as a left over
to the NCAA (the secondary championship). I am sure you want to be
fair and not spiteful.
The real story is BYU is playing for two in one day! That's awesome.Chris B. you can't count your rugby nat'l champ. because
after all, you ute fans have been screaming they are NOT part of the
AZUTE1"their performance was as weak as their schedule"Despite your frantic and emotion spin to prove otherwise, BYU's
performance was obviously strong enough that after over a month of careful
scrutiny of BYU and every other legitimate national championship contender, BYU
was selected CONSENSUS 1984 Major College Football National Champion by ALL FIVE
major national selecting organizations.BYU's "weak"
bowl opponent, Michigan, would have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of the
Holiday Bowl if the Wolverines had beaten Ohio State in their season finale, and
the Wolverines were themselves considered national championship contenders after
beating Miami earlier in the season.
AZUTE1BYU fans don't have to go to any lengths to prove
BYU's national dominance over the Utes, the record speaks for itself.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0Top 25
FinishesBYU 18Utah 7Heisman Trophy WinnersBYU 1Utah 0National College Hall of Fame PlayersBYU 6Utah
0National Individual Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0Call us when Utah wins its first national player or team award of any kind in
football.------Getting back to the subject of the
article, "National championship-filled week in Utah"One
Rugby National Championship down, one Volleyball National Championship to go for
The lengths the byu-fanbase will go to in a vain attempt to cope with being
utterly/blatantly straight dominated by UTAH head-to-head in the king of all
sports, football, is truly entertainment at its finest. Thanks for the show!
'84--Brigham YoungTexas Christian, Boise State, and
Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did
something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a
legitimate shot at: they finished #1.Unfortunately, BYU '84
differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single
ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't
(though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).BYU's 1984 opponents
went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.They
won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their
opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the
worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten
was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The
only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.
Seems pretty clear that good things are going on at BYU. Not only do the fans
get to watch games all the time all over the country all the time but when you
put it in perspective, BYU has won championships in 9 differnt sports. Utah...
Only 3. Same as USU. Last 10 years BYU addded 5 more championships with 2
more on the way... Utah only 2, same as weber state... When it comes to
skiing... less than 30 schools participate and they make up 1/2 of your
championships... I am sure that vermont, middleburry and alaska/Anchorage were
all shaking in their non BCS ski boots when Utah shows up...Tell all your BCS
buddies about winning skiing championships. I will bet they will be really
impressed. c'mon.... more cowbell.....
tdlawton"that Utah team when[sic] to the NCAA Final Four (to
loose[sic] the famous '66 Texas Western [UTEP] team of Glory Road
fame)."Utah only had to win two games - Pacific(83-51) and
Oregon St(70-64) to get to the Final Four in 1966, equivalent to getting to the
Sweet Sixteen today.Utah(7-3) won the WAC title over 2nd place
BYU(6-4), but BYU swept the Utes, winning 115-100 in Provo and 94-93 in SLC.No neutral organization considered Utah's 1916 AAU and 1944 NCAA
tournament titles as national titles either.
Oh please NO ONE in 1966 considered he NIT on par with NCAA Basketball
tourney... The best team in the WAC that year was Utah and that Utah
team when to the NCAA Final Four (to loose the famous '66 Texas Western
[UTEP] team of Glory Road fame). Utah reaching the Final Four of the real
championship in '66 was rightfully considered a much bigger deal than
BYU's "consultation prize" of a NIT championship.1951
is a more complicated story because up to 1950 the NIT was at least on par with
the NCAA tourney, but after the 1950 NIT a huge point shaving scandal broke
(google "CCNY scandal"). That scandal forever put the NIT as #2 vs. the
NCAA tourny. All the "big name" schools skipped the NIT in '51In fact BYU lost in the NCAA tourney in '51 before going on to win
the NIT. Sorry Cougar fans, but no fan then and no historian now considers the
'51 NIT champs to be equal to the 1951 NCAA Championship team from
Kentucky. Yes the NIT was a bigger deal in '51 and '66
than it is now, but honestly no one should consider those National titles.
My apologies, Weber. It's Utah State the Utes are barely keeping company
with. Weber has twice as many national championships SR (Since
Can we, for the sake of peace in the valley, agree for just a moment with our
fellows on the hill that relevant history only begins in 2004? Anything before
that belongs to our grandfathers' generation, right?Since
history began, Utah has exactly one (1) national championship. And that was in
rugby, a sport the university is trying to disavow. A quick count
of championships won by other institutions of higher education shows that the
university of Utah is barely keeping company with Weber State, and lagging badly
behind others. Of course, most of those seasons were spent in
WACville and should therefore be counted as dross and duly discarded anyway,
Great to watch the Cougars. Thanks for making the post-BB season interesting.
Good luck on Saturday. The ones to complain about the Cougs NC efforts are sad
in so many ways.
gonefishn"Besides not addressing my comment directly you fail to
realize that Utah won the NCAA title in 1944 and won the NIT in 1947..."There's no need to address your jealous comment directly, its
ludicrous, but since you insist:After over a month of careful
scrutiny of BYU and every major contender, BYU was selected 1984 Major College
Football National Champion by ALL FIVE major national selecting
organizations.Besides the NCAA, which obviously has a vested
interested in 1944, NOBODY selected Utah as national champion in either 1944 or
1947. The one neutral organization that did select champions in 1944 and 1947,
the Helms Athletic Foundation, chose Army(15-0) in 1944 and Holy Cross(27-3) in
1947.Unlike today, the NCAA tourney winner was not the defacto
national champion in 1944; and neither was the 1947 NIT winner.But,
the AP College Football Champion is chosen in exactly the same way today as it
was in 1984. It's laughable that Utah fans are so quick to cite
their 2004 and 2008 AP rankings as "gospel", yet question the wisdom of
the same organization that selected BYU as the 1984 National Football Champion.
gonefishn / nosaerfoeciovehtThe team that won the most watered-down
NCAA tournament in history, only beat Idaho State and Colorado College in the
regular season, lost to Kentucky in the opening round of the NIT (the premier
tournament in 1944), and then won three games against teams composed almost
entirely of Freshmen.Sorry winning a charity EXHIBTION game against
the NIT champion is meaningless. That's like losing in the opening round of
the NCAA tournament, and then beating the eventual tournament winner in an
exhibition game and trying to claim U were national champions.The
Helms Athletic Foundation, an athletic foundation founded in 1936, put together
a panel of experts to select National Champion teams and make All-America team
selections in a number of college sports including football and basketball.From 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms and NCAA Division
I champions were the same, except for 1939, 1940, 1944, and 1954 when Oregon,
Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the tournament.In 1944,
the Helms Foundation selected Army(15-0) as National Champions.
Ah, Utah, what have you done for me lately. Chris, that's
good. You counted to 20.
It's is interesting that this weekend BYU can nail as many National
Championships in one weekend than the Utes have achieved in 10+ years.Definitely a declining Ute trend showing up these past few years and no where
did I notice BCS games listed. LOLConsider yourself dominated Utes.
BYU has the total sports package in the state of Utah.
Wow! Lone Peak has won more national championships this year, then the utes.Combined wins in football, and basketball, the utes don't reach
half of Lone Peaks bb victories. Roses have withered.
@Poor Reasoning"a team that only beat 2 college teams during the
entire regular season has no business even playing in the post season!"LOL that team that had no business playing in the post season WON the
NCAA tournament (beating a stacked Dartmouth team in OT), and then beat the NIT
champs St. Johns in the Garden two nights later in front of over 18,000 fans.Most people who don't wear bitter-blue tinted goggles would agree
they had some business playing in the post season.But since
Utah's 1944 NCAA Championship bothers you so much, keep on spinnin'
@deductive reasoningBesides not addressing my comment directly you fail to
realize that Utah won the NCAA title in 1944 and won the NIT in 1947 so take
your pick. Furthermore, in 1944 after The Utes won the NCAA tournement they
played they plated the lone team remaining from the NIT and beat them as well.
1984 is just like every other champion on this list! Except that all those other
champions, at some point, beat someone else who was good at their sport.
* 1984* beat Utah in Rice Stadium to seal #1 ranking and the inside
track to the national championship
gonefishnThe real huge * should go next to 1944 - a team that only
beat 2 college teams during the entire regular season has no business even
playing in the post season, let alone thinking they won a national championship
after losing in the opening round of the big boy tournament of the day.
You can put a huge * next to 1984
rlsintx"Where has UofU women's gymnastics disappeared to
the last decade."The Red Rocks are still very competitive, but
they've slipped a little since they won their last national championship
almost 20 years ago, in 1995.
BYU could finish THIS WEEKEND with more national championships than the Utes
have won THIS CENTURY!And that doesn't even count the National
Championship BYU's JV Basketball Team has already won.
Where has UofU women's gymnastics disappeared to the last decade. They
were such a force for many years.
Oh, you're it alright. You just don't understand what "it"
the majority of commenters here, including real Ute fans, consider you to be!
From the list:Utah 20byu 19I love being it!