National championship-filled week in Utah brings other titles to mind


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  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 5, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Excluding the NIT, and AAU vague histories of both schools, BYU has 24 national championships to Utah's 21 (not really sure where Chris B learned to count). Both schools should be proud of that history but BYUs seems far more impressive with championships in so much greater a variety of sports. Lacrosse, football, soccer, volleyball, rugby, track and field, etc. Utah has gymnastics and skiing (coed since 1983). While Utah has had some impressive feats in other sports, they have never been able to get over the hump (well there was rugby but were not sure if they own up ti that yet). No one outside of Utah cares that U were ever second. History doesn't care. One of my favorite Nike shirts put it best: "second place is the first loser". 2003, Utah...U better win one soon because your impotence is making all your "big brother little brother" diatribe sound foolish and tired, makes your daddy want to send u to bed. U know who your daddy is Utah, regardless of how much U can't admit it.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 4, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    Actually the Championship count is

    26 Brigham Young University

    24 Utah

    But nice try Chrissy B

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 4, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    @ gonefishin...

    1944 Hmmm... Seems like something was going on that year that took a ton of athletes over seas and probably rendered Championships meaningless... Oh yeah, it was World War II.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    May 4, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    Actually Mr. Petersen this week filled of champioinships doesn't bring anything else to mind except BYU's across the board domination in sports. The weekend screams how good BYU is and how good they've been for years.

    MR TDLAWTON: Wow you are bitter. But since you've taken it upon yourself to "disqualify" Nat. Championship you might as well do that for Utah NCAA championship too. They lost in the NIT and were taken as a left over to the NCAA (the secondary championship).

    I am sure you want to be fair and not spiteful.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    May 4, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    The real story is BYU is playing for two in one day! That's awesome.

    Chris B. you can't count your rugby nat'l champ. because after all, you ute fans have been screaming they are NOT part of the Universtity.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2013 3:42 p.m.


    "their performance was as weak as their schedule"

    Despite your frantic and emotion spin to prove otherwise, BYU's performance was obviously strong enough that after over a month of careful scrutiny of BYU and every other legitimate national championship contender, BYU was selected CONSENSUS 1984 Major College Football National Champion by ALL FIVE major national selecting organizations.

    BYU's "weak" bowl opponent, Michigan, would have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of the Holiday Bowl if the Wolverines had beaten Ohio State in their season finale, and the Wolverines were themselves considered national championship contenders after beating Miami earlier in the season.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 4, 2013 3:30 p.m.


    BYU fans don't have to go to any lengths to prove BYU's national dominance over the Utes, the record speaks for itself.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    Heisman Trophy Winners
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    National College Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    Call us when Utah wins its first national player or team award of any kind in football.


    Getting back to the subject of the article, "National championship-filled week in Utah"

    One Rugby National Championship down, one Volleyball National Championship to go for BYU.

    Go Cougars!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 4, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    The lengths the byu-fanbase will go to in a vain attempt to cope with being utterly/blatantly straight dominated by UTAH head-to-head in the king of all sports, football, is truly entertainment at its finest. Thanks for the show!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 4, 2013 12:55 p.m.


    Brigham Young

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.

    Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."

    How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

  • BYU sports on TV in Missouri Lebanon, MO
    May 4, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    Seems pretty clear that good things are going on at BYU. Not only do the fans get to watch games all the time all over the country all the time but when you put it in perspective, BYU has won championships in 9 differnt sports. Utah... Only 3. Same as USU. Last 10 years BYU addded 5 more championships with 2 more on the way... Utah only 2, same as weber state... When it comes to skiing... less than 30 schools participate and they make up 1/2 of your championships... I am sure that vermont, middleburry and alaska/Anchorage were all shaking in their non BCS ski boots when Utah shows up...Tell all your BCS buddies about winning skiing championships. I will bet they will be really impressed. c'mon.... more cowbell.....

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 4, 2013 9:57 a.m.


    "that Utah team when[sic] to the NCAA Final Four (to loose[sic] the famous '66 Texas Western [UTEP] team of Glory Road fame)."

    Utah only had to win two games - Pacific(83-51) and Oregon St(70-64) to get to the Final Four in 1966, equivalent to getting to the Sweet Sixteen today.

    Utah(7-3) won the WAC title over 2nd place BYU(6-4), but BYU swept the Utes, winning 115-100 in Provo and 94-93 in SLC.

    No neutral organization considered Utah's 1916 AAU and 1944 NCAA tournament titles as national titles either.

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 4, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Oh please NO ONE in 1966 considered he NIT on par with NCAA Basketball tourney...

    The best team in the WAC that year was Utah and that Utah team when to the NCAA Final Four (to loose the famous '66 Texas Western [UTEP] team of Glory Road fame). Utah reaching the Final Four of the real championship in '66 was rightfully considered a much bigger deal than BYU's "consultation prize" of a NIT championship.

    1951 is a more complicated story because up to 1950 the NIT was at least on par with the NCAA tourney, but after the 1950 NIT a huge point shaving scandal broke (google "CCNY scandal"). That scandal forever put the NIT as #2 vs. the NCAA tourny. All the "big name" schools skipped the NIT in '51

    In fact BYU lost in the NCAA tourney in '51 before going on to win the NIT. Sorry Cougar fans, but no fan then and no historian now considers the '51 NIT champs to be equal to the 1951 NCAA Championship team from Kentucky.

    Yes the NIT was a bigger deal in '51 and '66 than it is now, but honestly no one should consider those National titles.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 3, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    My apologies, Weber. It's Utah State the Utes are barely keeping company with.

    Weber has twice as many national championships SR (Since Relevance)

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 3, 2013 7:44 p.m.

    Can we, for the sake of peace in the valley, agree for just a moment with our fellows on the hill that relevant history only begins in 2004? Anything before that belongs to our grandfathers' generation, right?

    Since history began, Utah has exactly one (1) national championship. And that was in rugby, a sport the university is trying to disavow.

    A quick count of championships won by other institutions of higher education shows that the university of Utah is barely keeping company with Weber State, and lagging badly behind others.

    Of course, most of those seasons were spent in WACville and should therefore be counted as dross and duly discarded anyway, right?


  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    Great to watch the Cougars. Thanks for making the post-BB season interesting. Good luck on Saturday. The ones to complain about the Cougs NC efforts are sad in so many ways.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2013 6:43 p.m.


    "Besides not addressing my comment directly you fail to realize that Utah won the NCAA title in 1944 and won the NIT in 1947..."

    There's no need to address your jealous comment directly, its ludicrous, but since you insist:

    After over a month of careful scrutiny of BYU and every major contender, BYU was selected 1984 Major College Football National Champion by ALL FIVE major national selecting organizations.

    Besides the NCAA, which obviously has a vested interested in 1944, NOBODY selected Utah as national champion in either 1944 or 1947. The one neutral organization that did select champions in 1944 and 1947, the Helms Athletic Foundation, chose Army(15-0) in 1944 and Holy Cross(27-3) in 1947.

    Unlike today, the NCAA tourney winner was not the defacto national champion in 1944; and neither was the 1947 NIT winner.

    But, the AP College Football Champion is chosen in exactly the same way today as it was in 1984.

    It's laughable that Utah fans are so quick to cite their 2004 and 2008 AP rankings as "gospel", yet question the wisdom of the same organization that selected BYU as the 1984 National Football Champion.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 3, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    gonefishn / nosaerfoecioveht

    The team that won the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history, only beat Idaho State and Colorado College in the regular season, lost to Kentucky in the opening round of the NIT (the premier tournament in 1944), and then won three games against teams composed almost entirely of Freshmen.

    Sorry winning a charity EXHIBTION game against the NIT champion is meaningless. That's like losing in the opening round of the NCAA tournament, and then beating the eventual tournament winner in an exhibition game and trying to claim U were national champions.

    The Helms Athletic Foundation, an athletic foundation founded in 1936, put together a panel of experts to select National Champion teams and make All-America team selections in a number of college sports including football and basketball.

    From 1939, when the NCAA Tournament started, the Helms and NCAA Division I champions were the same, except for 1939, 1940, 1944, and 1954 when Oregon, Indiana, Utah, and La Salle respectively won the tournament.

    In 1944, the Helms Foundation selected Army(15-0) as National Champions.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 3, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    Ah, Utah, what have you done for me lately.

    Chris, that's good. You counted to 20.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 3, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    It's is interesting that this weekend BYU can nail as many National Championships in one weekend than the Utes have achieved in 10+ years.

    Definitely a declining Ute trend showing up these past few years and no where did I notice BCS games listed. LOL

    Consider yourself dominated Utes.

    BYU has the total sports package in the state of Utah.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    May 3, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Wow! Lone Peak has won more national championships this year, then the utes.

    Combined wins in football, and basketball, the utes don't reach half of Lone Peaks bb victories. Roses have withered.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    May 3, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    @Poor Reasoning

    "a team that only beat 2 college teams during the entire regular season has no business even playing in the post season!"

    LOL that team that had no business playing in the post season WON the NCAA tournament (beating a stacked Dartmouth team in OT), and then beat the NIT champs St. Johns in the Garden two nights later in front of over 18,000 fans.

    Most people who don't wear bitter-blue tinted goggles would agree they had some business playing in the post season.

    But since Utah's 1944 NCAA Championship bothers you so much, keep on spinnin' those facts.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning
    Besides not addressing my comment directly you fail to realize that Utah won the NCAA title in 1944 and won the NIT in 1947 so take your pick. Furthermore, in 1944 after The Utes won the NCAA tournement they played they plated the lone team remaining from the NIT and beat them as well.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    May 3, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    1984 is just like every other champion on this list! Except that all those other champions, at some point, beat someone else who was good at their sport.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 3, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    * 1984

    * beat Utah in Rice Stadium to seal #1 ranking and the inside track to the national championship

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2013 3:27 p.m.


    The real huge * should go next to 1944 - a team that only beat 2 college teams during the entire regular season has no business even playing in the post season, let alone thinking they won a national championship after losing in the opening round of the big boy tournament of the day.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    You can put a huge * next to 1984

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2013 2:56 p.m.


    "Where has UofU women's gymnastics disappeared to the last decade."

    The Red Rocks are still very competitive, but they've slipped a little since they won their last national championship almost 20 years ago, in 1995.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    BYU could finish THIS WEEKEND with more national championships than the Utes have won THIS CENTURY!

    And that doesn't even count the National Championship BYU's JV Basketball Team has already won.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    May 3, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    Where has UofU women's gymnastics disappeared to the last decade. They were such a force for many years.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Oh, you're it alright. You just don't understand what "it" the majority of commenters here, including real Ute fans, consider you to be!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    From the list:

    Utah 20
    byu 19

    I love being it!