Maudine,The rest of the streetcar line (currently under
construction) is on a right of way. There are not any traffic lanes directly to
the north or south of the line, just a bikeway and parkway.The
streetcar lines planned throughout Salt Lake City and indeed along 11th East
would all run in a lane with automobile traffic. This is how they work in
Portland, Seattle and throughout Europe.That is what is being done
here as well.Trax and Frontrunner are not streetcars.One
other thing to know is that when a streetcar line is being built along a street,
it takes approximately 1 week to do the construction. This would mean that
business inconvenience would be limited to 1 week per block for work. Poles for
the overhead lines can be put in after hours.This means that no
business will lose parking but it does mean that traffic, especially local
traffic, may decrease as more locals use the streetcar.When thinking
of rail try this:Streetcar = Local only - Rides in a lane with
trafficLight Rail (Trax) = regional/local - Dedicated lane, rarely with
trafficCommuter Rail (Frontrunner) = Long Range/regional rail - Dedicated
right of way, never with traffic.
@ Makid: That is not the way the rest of it works - why would it work
differently on 11th East than it does throughout the rest of Sugarhouse?
I still think street/trolley what-ever cars are more expensive, much less
flexible than buses. It seems we just can't get over the 19th Century.
You can run buses on natural gas or electricity (50% coal fuel). Elections
matter people, elect paternalistic leaders and you get projects that you may
not want or have ever dreamed of. Chances of me using the trolley, slim to none
(and Slim left town) but we'll all pay for the few who will use it.
Maudine,I don't think you understand how streetcars work. They
would run down normal traffic lanes. They won't have dedicated lanes.
This means that they work on 2 lane roads without needing to acquire additional
land.At intersections, they would move close to the curb to allow
quick entry and exit from the streetcar.This would take the place of
bus service on the street and would increase frequency of service.When you see streetcars, don't think of Trax, think of very frequent
buses with smooth rides and comfortable seats.
11th East is barely wide enough for current traffic. The only way to make room
for a street car is to confiscate property from the property owners or to make
the shops accessible only by street car - which means having a nearby place to
park so people can hop the trolley, or reducing access to spur of the moment
shoppers. Either way, the businesses suffer at least short term - and many of
them will not survive long enough to get over that.A much more
reasonable - and needed route - is the continuation of the street car along 2100
It's fine. When the value of their property goes up between 5 and 15
percent in the year after the streetcar opens, they can sell their property and
move to Herriman.
Fine, don't put in streatcars all together. And change your picket sign to
"restore bus service along 7th and 13th east all the way down south in Sandy
and Draper" to connect to Trax. I think it is a waist of money to add
streatcars. And many other places are suffering after they lost their public
To be honest, the streets in the background look way too small to accomordate a
Trax line. Too bad they can't just do Trolleys. The original streetcars.
Power them on canola oil (the hippies will love that!!!), and there ya go. And
no tracks needed if you use the same type that ran around this city in the
most sugae house neighborhoods were made possible by streetcarironic that
a loud group seeks to prevent its return
So a business isn't interested enough in their neighborhood to take note of
planned changes, and then goes off half-cocked when they don't like the
plan, and we're supposed to take them seriously? I don't see how
running the line up 2100 South alleviates their concerns. How long do you
suppose the intersection at 11th East and 21st South would be under construction
if they were building a turn into it versus running track straight through? How
congested do you think that intersection would be if you had to wait for a
streetcar to turn through it (and how many traffic lanes would need to stop--and
how far back--every time it did)?I think an alignment down 11th East is
perfect for this type of transit. It should eventually go down 11th East to 9th
South, through the 9th and 9th shopping district, and then down 7th or 6th East
to the 4th S/6th E Trax stop. That's what streetcars are (or should be)
for: a tour of the eclectic and interesting shopping areas of our city.
Considering the majority of funding came through federal stimulus....a bankrupt
federal money making scheme, this whole project should be on hold. It should
have been the first thing sequestered. It shouldn't have even made it out
of the proposal phase. There has to be more people like me who are angry every
time the arms come down, and we site there idling our vehicles
waiting....waiting ....waiting for trains to go by. Streetcar...trax trains,
whatever they are called -- they are a giant inconvenience to all drivers.
Another money-loser, like Trax, brought to you by people who love to spend other
"...listen to the people. They don't want their neighborhood disrupted
with an unnecessary vanity streetcar."Beautifully put. Nothing
more needs to be said.