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Published: Wednesday, May 1 2013 2:04 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Just another reason the future(and present) of football in Utah,

is UTAH.

rlsintx
Plano, TX

Good to see the U in a good place after the wasteland that was the 70's through mid 90's...

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

UTAH--

"Since 2003, the Utes have had 27 players get their names called at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. "

Our annual pre-season NC--

"For those wondering, long-time archrival BYU has had 14 players drafted since 2003."

GO_COUGARS!
Provo, UT

"The last ten years have been remarkable for Utah's football program."

Not as remarkable as ours. Don't they know about our win/loss records vs. teams from Idaho?

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

We'll be smelling roses in the next couple years.

Mark it down

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"For those wondering, long-time archrival BYU has...." My guess... very few wonder! BYU fans are aware of their recent dearth (1 in 3 years). Some U fans, if it means anything to them, are also aware. To an increasing number of U fans how they Y is doing means nothing. Some Utah State fans probably are gloating over their two in each of the past two years success. For the remaining "fans" - "who cares".

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

I love how Chris B. will ruin a legitimate leg up on BYU (significantly more players drafted into the NFL at the U) by saying something like "we'll be smelling roses." Let me also note that in addition to this optimistic prognosticating, another Ute "fan" is the one talking about BYU preseason glory. BYU fans rarely talk about any "Quest," we've learned our lesson.

Congrats to the Utes on creating a NFL pipeline. While it is surprising to me you can't deny that the Utes program has come a very long way in the last decade. Congrats to Utes but Go Cougs!

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Two Questions: If BYU is winning the recruiting wars each year as Bronko and their fan base claims, then why does Utah produce more NFL draftees? Could it be that Utah coaches do a better job of developing its athletes?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Silent Lurker:

Yes, Utah coaches do a better job of developing our athletes, but that's not the only reason why we annually produce more NFL talent than our Indy-WACey little brother. That whole "BYU is winning the recruiting wars each year" is just something that cougar fans [frantically and emotionally] "say". They don't really "believe" it. They KNOW they're getting poned in the recruiting wars. It's all over the internet via the more well-known recruiting sites (i.e. Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 24/7). They can "deny" the validity of those ranking organizations, but we all know that they know full well those "denials" are just desperate deflections.

Keep in mind how difficult it is to coach up unheralded 2-star athletes all the way to Draft Day. And while I'm aware that Whittingham has done that with some of HIS 2-star athletes, that just brings us back to Utah's coaches doing a better job at developing our players.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Frantic and Emotional

Instead of writing what BYU fans know and believe (even though we all know you are indeed an expert in knowing the thoughts and feelings of people you dislike), why not just post the facts.

Football recruiting (Rivals, Scout, AVERAGE)

Utah
2013 (44, 54, 49)
2012 (28, 32, 30)
2011 (37, 40, 38.5)
2010 (32, 50, 41)
2009 (44, 55, 49.5)
2008 (60, 65, 62.5)
2007 (71, 66, 68.5)
2006 (55, 60, 57.5)
2005 (59, 71, 65)
2004 (76, 68, 72)
2003 (90, 95, 92.5)
2002 (77, 84, 80.5)

BYU
2013 (70, 63, 66.5)
2012 (61, 60, 60.5)
2011 (62, 66, 64)
2010 (40, 22, 31)
2009 (50, 40, 45)
2008 (83, 57, 70)
2007 (56, 42, 49)
2006 (67, 46, 56.5)
2005 (63, 53, 58)
2004 (65, 55, 60)
2003 (108, 59, 83.5)
2002 (36, 46, 41)

I didn't include ESPN or 247 because I'm not an insider or member, but I'd love to see the numbers if anyone has them.

Results: Utah clearly has the recruiting edge for the last three years, BYU clearly dominant before then.

DontMUSSwUtah
SLC, UT

Wiscougar-

So what you are saying is that Utah coaches do a much better job of developing talent than BYU coaches? Or are BYU coaches just horrible at taking their "top" talent, and making it draftable? Maybe a little of both?

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Re: DonMUSSwUtah

I didn't say any of those things. Let me paraphrase what I did say in my two posts on this thread...

1. Congrats to Utah for establishing a NFL pipeline.
2. Utah has out-recruited BYU in the last three years, and BYU out-recruited Utah head-to-head before then (at least according to two recruiting websites).

Clearly I have said nothing about the actual on-field success or failures of either team. If you'd like me to comment on that feel free to ask, but I won't offer my opinions on a Utah discussion board unless I am asked because I am most definitely a BYU fan Not an anti-Utah troll) and have no need to stir the pot.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Wiscougar fan - your first post was awesome, you should have left well alone. In those 11 years you are comparing recruiting, Utah is 8-3 against the y. Must be the coaching staffs!

Go Utes!!

Tators
Hyrum, UT

DontMUSSwUtah...

Actually, BYU coaches have been developing their players enough that they are able to both play in and win bowl games.
And how well has Utah developed their players recently? Oh yea, they let them develop by experiencing what it feels like to have a losing record and sitting home eating popcorn while watching other teams play in bowl games. Quite the program.

You'd better go back to your old "we're in a big conference and you're not" chant. But remember, it honestly doesn't take much of a football program to finish in any conference's cellar.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Tators:

"BYU coaches have been developing their players enough that they are able to both play in and win bowl games...And how well has Utah developed their players recently?"

Since 2003, the Utes played in 9 bowl games, and went 8-1 [.889] -- which included 2 BCS bowl *wins* -- while your Indy-WACey program played in 8 bowl games, and went 6-2 [.750] without even a whiff of a BCS bowl *invitation*. So to answer your question...even BETTER than the cougars' coaches.

Haha! I can't believe you went there.

Dr. Chim Richalds
ROUND HILL, VA

So....Utah would be in the "3rd Tier of the Pac-12." Got it...Thanks!

Tators
Hyrum, UT

Naval Vet:

Since you have to back a decade to try to make your point, and since more recently the U can't even get into any kind of bowl game (let alone a BCS bowl again), you are in effect admitting that the U's program is in a downward slide.

And yes, I'm going there!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Tators:

A decade IS "recent". Did you even read the article? It stated plainly, "The last 10 years have been remarkable for the University of Utah football program....Since 2003, the Utes have had 27 players get their names called at Radio City Music Hall in New York City." YOU guys are the ones who feel compelled to constantly bring up the 1980s, so don't go "there" either with me bringing up the last 10-yrs, and ESPECIALLY not on article that's written focused on the last 10-yrs.

Furthermore, we've only missed ONE postseason since 2003, and JUST BARELY! We were one OT loss away from bowling last year. That's hardly a "trend". Everybody knows that Utah's SOS took a dramaticly more challenging leap by moving up to the Pac-12. Our "team" didn't slide downward. Our SOS slid upward. Fail on your part.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

To Naval Vet, Vegas Ute, Silent Lurker, and AZUTE1:

You keep mentioning that Utah does a better job of developing their athletes, gets more 4-star high school players, how they place more in the NFL, etc..
Well, instead of just looking at just a few years, let's look at some overall and longer-term statistical successes of the those programs and let the facts speak for themselves.

BYU has had a total of 116 players drafted into the NFL. Utah has had 83.
BYU has qualified for and played in 31 bowl games. Utah has played in 17.
BYU has beat Utah 26 times over the past 40 years, while Utah beat BYU 14 times.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

So Tators - you're now going back 4 decades??

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