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Published: Wednesday, May 1 2013 1:25 p.m. MDT

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VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@TheSportsAuthority: “We all know that the worm is about to turn, so they want to end the series now while they still have a semblance of bragging rights, at least as far as head-to-head.”
What signs do you have that the “worm” has turned? That you are losing the recruiting wars both in state and out or that your 2013 schedule is significantly more difficult than your 2012 (8-5) schedule? Maybe its that the tds has such an awesome presence in the NFL or that your highly recruited QBs have been so amazingly successful or that you finally have a conference affiliation – no wait, those don’t work either! About the only thing the TDS did to turn the worm was create a bye week before the big brother game - you'll need the extra week to forget 54-10.

What is your definition of “semblance”? 3 out of 4, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, 13 out of 20, and 56-34-4 overall is more than a semblance, it is domination. Maybe you should consult Webster over the meaning of “semblance”.

Go Utes!!

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

VegasUte

"[BYU] will end the BCS era without even a SNIFF at one of the BCS bowls! Now THAT is embarrassing!!!

Not true. Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen. Not embarrassing at all.

Unfortunately for U, being a member of a conference that bills itself as the "conference of champions" and having your conference completely shut out from winning a single bcs championship is very embarrassing!!!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@ UTE88 - tds will be back in 2016. We just got tired of dominating them, so we decided to use Michigan for those two years, then we are back to domination!!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

@ Talkin: Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls? Now that's funny!! I thought you guys had an undeniable world-wide presence?? Why would they not have "chosen" the great and powerful tds?

Still wondering why you are posting on a PAC 12 story rather than on a tds story? Jealous much?

Tators
Hyrum, UT

VegasUte:

You state "we got tired of dominating them." I'd like to know just how many of those dominating games you actually played in to warrant saying "we"?

You should be reminded that per the actual facts, BYU has dominated Utah in wins over the past 40 years with a record of 26-14, nearly a 2 to 1 advantage. It's hard to get tired in just the short term, but you Utah is. However, enjoy your little short term streak for a few more months while it lasts.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

vegasute

"What signs do you have that the “worm” has turned?"

Utah has been in steady decline since 2008 and your recent head-to-head success is the only thing you have left to cling to.

13 of the last 16 head-to-head matchups have been decided by a TD or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah's recent luck is about to run out.

uteBusters
Park City, UT

@vegasute: the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the well deserved moniker "Conference of Champions"

It's nice that U get to rub shoulders with "champions"; unfortunately for you, no other PAC 12 men's team has won fewer national championships than the Utes, who have only won ONE national championship in their entire history, and that, over 30 years ago in a sport in which only one other PAC 12 school participates.

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Talkin Sport "Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen"

Please enlighten us on the BCS bowls BYU was eligible for

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

talkinsports:

"Not true. Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen. Not embarrassing at all...Unfortunately for U, being a member of a conference that bills itself as the 'conference of champions' and having your conference completely shut out from winning a single bcs championship is very embarrassing!!!"

The cougars never finished ranked in the Top-6 (or even Top-12) of the Final BCS standings like your two big brothers: Utah and TCU. You couldn't even "back in" to the BCS ala Hawai'i or No. Illinois.

And the Pac-12 wasn't "completely shut out". I seem to recall seeing a 13-0 USC team pounding Oklahoma in Miami's Orange Bowl back in 2004, and winning a BCS national championship. While that title may have been vacated due Reggie-Bush induced sanctions, the fact remains, USC DID play in that game, and the DID win.

And if you want to make a case that the Indy-WACers "qualified" for a BCS bowl, then wouldn't you also have to concede that USC (2003) and Utah (2004, 2008) also "qualified" but wasn't selected?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

talkinsports (cont.):

And don't you feel even the SLIGHTEST bit hypocritical for calling out a conference with multiple Top-5 finishes for not winning a BCS title when your small-ball program with that alleged "legacy" and "national brand" couldn't even play their way into one of the lesser (aka, NOT the title game) BCS bowl games?

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

navelvet

"And don't you feel even the SLIGHTEST bit hypocritical for calling out a conference with multiple Top-5 finishes for not winning a BCS title..."

Not in the slightest. When an entire conference arrogantly bills itself as the "conference of champions", yet isn't good enough to win a single bcs championship, it deserves to be called out.

bottom line - BYU has won as many bcs championships as the entire "conference of champions".

btw - A vacated title is just that "VACATED"; it's wiped from the record books, like it never happened.

killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

If the PAC 12 is really interested qualifying teams for the playoffs, why would Utah fans be talking about downgrading their schedule, unless of course, the Utes don't really consider themselves as playoff contenders?

U 90
Corona, CA

@Olympus Cove "13 of the last 16 head-to-head matchups have been decided by a TD or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah's recent luck is about to run out"

Of course Utah's wins are lucky but none of BYU's are including the 2009 OT game, 4th & 18 or Harlene on his knees etc. etc. You do realize that BYUs last 6 wins in this series are by a TD or less and during that same period Utah has blown BYU out of the water 3 times. But of course Utah is lucky, we get it.

Since 1985 Utah has the winning record in this series, I don't think it's luck anymore.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

U 90

"Please enlighten us on the BCS bowls BYU was eligible for"

Look it up yourself; BYU's year-by-year records, the final BCS standings, and the rules for BCS eligibility are readily available online.

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navelvet

Your BYU bcs obsession is laughable considering Kyle's only claim to fame is his one-hit wonder 2008 bcs season. Other than that, his overall accomplishments pale in comparison to Bronco's, as have been cited ad nauseam.

The Utes have been in steady decline since 2008, and joining the PAC has only hastened that decline. Remind us again how many of Utah's recent NFL draft choices and 5-star recruits played in a bowl game last season.

U 90
Corona, CA

ute buster,

Really, you gonna go all tennis smack now. If tennis, volleyball and track float your boat, that's really nice, but this is a Utah football article.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

uteBusters

That's a pretty impressive list for an athletic program that's supposed to be "irrelevant", at least according to the kids on the hill.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Killarney- Not all Utah fans are for the 8 game schedule. I certainly am not. The only way it would be good for the conference is if the B1G and the PAC 12 renew their agreement for inter conference scheduling. That would certainly not be a down grade.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ talkinsports

The PAC-12, as a conference, has won over 450 national championships. That number absolutely dwarfs all of the other conferences. Not to mention that 87 medals from the 2012 olympic games came from athletes who competed or are still currently at PAC-12 schools. Therefor the PAC-12 is the conference of champions. Nobody else even comes close.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

U 90

It's luck.

How else do you explain the Utes beating BYU, but finishing the season with a worse record and a lower ranking, including the last two years?

2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

btw, since 1985, the series is tied 14-14

Top 25 Finishes
BYU 12
Utah 6

Conference Championships
BYU 12
Utah 5

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

2fer

Remind us again how many of those 450 national championships Utah's men's teams have won.

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