It is always disappointing to watch SEC teams beat up on teams who aren't
much better than a high school team. I understand the logic that the Pac 12
would want to put another potentially weak opponent on their schedule to help
them end with better records, rather than beating up on each other. This
though, is not why I watch college football!
I dont care if we do drop a Pac 12 game, I hope we stop playing Utah state and
byu all together. They do nothing to help our profile when we
win(which we're a combined 7 out of 8) against them last 8 games. I'd rather go find another one and one like we did with
Michigan.I like the idea of one gimme game to start the season and
then only other high profile teams the rest of the way.And our gimme
game shouldnt be byu or utah state(Even though we own them 7 of last 8 games)
because we're already winning the recruiting war in Utah.Let's schedule a division II team from California or Texas to improve our
That's Funny...I thought the PAC-12 already had a big bowl game. It's
nice to see that the PAC-12 has finally come to reality that they are and will
be second tier to the SEC. I guess scheduling Colorado, Washington State, and
Utah have diminished the lucrative PAC-12. I don't see it changing anytime
soon. Maybe with that extra non-conference game, Utah will get the intestinal
fortitude to schedule BYU on an annual basis. No more excuses Utah!
@UteNationAlum, totally agree. Hope the U will take the opportunity to dumb down
the schedule only a little bit by agreeing to a long term late-season series
with their biggest rival.
Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me like the effect of the
amount of content for the Pac-12 network is about the same either way or that
the 8-game conference schedule would provide more content than the 9 game
conference schedule. Under a 9-game conference schedule, there are 6 "9th
games" because each of the 12 teams in the league plays another of the 12
teams in the league for that week of games. But under an 8-game conference
schedule, each of the 12 teams in the league plays an out-of-conference game for
the "9th game" and at least half of those games would be home games for
the Pac-12 teams - i.e. that week of games would provide 6 or more games that
would belong to the pac-12 network. If for that extra week the Pac-12 teams
each choose one patsy in a buy-out game, then that would be 12 games for the
pac-12 network. If each team plays a challenging opponent as part of a
home-and-home, then in each 2 year cycle that round of games will produce
12games forthe pac12network.
This is good news. Hoping that the Utes will now keep the BYU rivalry game
alive. I am as big a U fan as they come, and I think it is a bad move to kill
this great tradition. I know there are many that will disagree, but I think the
rivalry brings the state together. It is a lot of fun (although some on both
sides of course take it to extremes).
It's not really going to matter who Utah puts on their schedule. They still
need to win PAC-12 games and I don't see a big improvement anytime soon.
Playing BYU every year regardless of record is huge for all football fans. I
will still watch a 3-7 or 4-6 Utah team that plays BYU every year and so will
everybody else in Utah.
Chrissy - v. utah will be the "gimme game" in the Pac 10.mark this down:U will win v. Weber State. Don't bet any
money after that.
"That's Funny...I thought the PAC-12 already had a big bowl game.
It's nice to see that the PAC-12 has finally come to reality that they are
and will be second tier to the SEC"Here we go again...so the
haters don't have to waste there time, I'll do it for them:"The Granddaddy Of Them All" is a lower-tier bowl."The
Conference Of Champions" is weak.Utah is nothing but a "bottom
dweller"Utah dropped the tds from their schedule cause they're
afraid.On the field results don't mean anything.Nothing Utah
does means anything.Every little thing the tds does proofs(worf) that
they're better than Utah.If they do go to 8 games then Utah
should put the tds back on they're schedule, but it won't be at the
end of the season, maybe as their 4th preseason game.Go Utes.
This is interesting as there will be a great temptation to pad the schedule with
that extra game, however, with the SOS disparity between the PAC12 and SEC, a
one-loss SEC team may be ranked ahead of an undefeated PAC12 team that padded
their schedule. Of course with the "playoff" a team only needs to be in
the top 4 rather than top 2 in order to get a shot at the NC, regardless, it
would be interesting to see how PAC12 teams use that extra game.I'm a lifelong BYU fan and have always thought that the BYU-Utah rivalry
is one of the best in the country. I hope the schools, conference and networks
can get together and make it happen very year in November (quit trying to
manufacture a rivalry with Colorado).
The PAC 10.2 wants its teams to schedule one more cupcake team each year to
enhance the chances for its marginal teams to at least qualify for a bowl game.
By their own admission, BYU is not a gimmie win because they are afraid to
schedule them every year.It is noteworthy that since U of Arizona
was admitted to the PAC 10 in 1978, they have a lack-luster 138-147-7 conference
record with no outright conference titles (they tied for first once in 1993 with
a 6-2 record). The Utes are off to a dismal 7-11 start in the PAC 10.2. Thirty years from now the Utes will have a losing record, much like U of
A and probably worse. Cupcakes, anyone?
A conference that's never won a BCS championship would be wise to follow
the lead of the conference that's dominated BCS championships. An 8-game
conference schedule would be more balanced (4 home, 4 away) and would give PAC
12 teams more flexibility in scheduling OOC games.
Area: What conference isn't "second tier" to the SEC right now?
That is one of the silliest arguments I have heard of all times!! LOL
But utah "fans" have been telling us that the 9 game conference schedule
is part of what makes the pac12 so great. You know it allows them to exclude
themselves to mainly themselves and then they can use that as reason/excuse as
to why they are so great and also why they can't ever win a national
chmapionship. I'm excited to read all of the forthcoming spin.
@Ironman "Cupcakes, anyone?"Sure, I'll have two Idahos
and two New Mexico States. I really love the Idaho State and UCF flavors so
I'll take one each of those. Hmmm, why don't you give me two of the
Hawaii flavor as well. Ironman, good thing we have your team to demonstrate how
to pick really great cupcake flavors.
You can always go to Provo to get a cupcake and a couple of turnovers. Go Utes
I would think the purpose of more out of conference games would be to STRENGTHEN
the schedule, not weaken it. Otherwise, the PAC may never make the championship
game. The SEC can be cowardly and schedule weak out of conference
because they are tough enough in conference to not need the OOC games to make up
the difference. The PAC is considered weaker than the SEC, Big 12, Big 10
almost every year, so they have to increase their SOS. With expansion and Notre
Dame playing their partial ACC schedule, the ACC will likely pass the PAC, too.
I am a Utah Man Sir...As a proud UTE fan I hope Utah Mans Up and does what most
fans on both side want, bring back the best game the state of Utah has had for
over 100 years. Bring back BYU.
Chris B - Why don't U pick up a game with Boise State? It
would be fun to see U play the Broncos again, especially on the blue turf (U
backed out of that one last time).
As I understand it if an eight conference game is scheduled it will involve a
realignment of the current divisions. If so - PLEASE don't change. This
year SLC will see UCLA (#14*); Stanford (#18); Arizona State (#29) and Oregon
State (#32). In addition away games include Oregon (#2), USC (#23) and Arizona
(#30). (Fans can see all these games by going to Arizona and LA in Oct. and
Oregon in early Nov.) What a schedule and don't forget we play those same
teams next year with the addition of Michigan. Brutal but beautiful! Go Utes -
I will be at everyone of these games.
@VegasUteMy silly argument is, the PAC-12 has always thought they
were the "Premier" conference and everybody else is inferior. It's
Great to see that reality has finally set in!
I agree with many of these comments about their capabilities: Utah hasn't
beaten a good team in several years.
Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the Pac-12 bottom feeder.
@ Ernest T. Bass"I agree with many of these comments about their
capabilities: Utah hasn't beaten a good team in several years"Neither has BYU!"Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the
Pac-12 bottom feeder"And BYU will always lose to that Pac-12
'bottom feeder'. The Cougies have shown no signs of being capable of
beating big brother on the hill"
@Elmer FuddBig Brother on the hill...Oh, Please! That is pretty
Hilarious! This year will all change. BYU will beat Utah Guaranteed!
ETB: Utah hasn't beaten a good team in several years"EF:
Neither has BYU!BYU beat #16/#17 Utah State(11-2) last season.
Chris B"...I hope we stop playing Utah State and BYU all
together."No surprise there.
Chris B:"Let's schedule a division II team from California
or Texas to improve our recruiting there."We're not going
to be winning any recruiting wars for top 3-, 4-, and 5-star athletes by beating
D-II teams...even if they're teams from CA or TX. I feel if we need a
"warm up" game, then warm up with teams like Colorado St, Wyoming, or
UNLV -- teams we can beat, but have enough history with to make the game
interesting. Plus, CSU, Wyo, and UNLV will do a FAR better job at pointing out
to our coaching staff areas we could focus on and refine before we get into
conference play than teams like Weber St.I wouldn't mind
dropping the Y off our schedule, but I see no reason to drop the Aggies. USU is
a classy programs. When THEY lose, their coach doesn't make classless
comments about how the better team didn't win. USU is a team on the rise.
EdGrady"Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the Pac-12
bottom feeder."Utah's record speaks for itself; the Utes
finished last or next to last in every PAC 12 men's sport they played,
except basketball, where they finished 10th.After two years in the
league, the Utes are a combined 15-39 in football and men's basketball.
Duckhunter:"But utah 'fans' have been telling us that
the 9 game conference schedule is part of what makes the pac12 so great."Another strawman ducky? Which Ute fans had been saying that, and in
what context? Because the only folks I know of that were lauding the 9-game
slate (as better than an 8-game conference schedule) were Pac-12 officials such
as Larry Scott, the Pac-12 North coaches who wanted to ensure good access to CA
recruits, and ESPN/FOX for putting out superior schedules than the SEC, BigTen,
and ACC.I personally prefer the 8-game conference schedule. I feel
the most ideal situation for the Pac-12 would be to play 8 conference games,
plus a conference crossover game with the BigTen as the 9th game.So
let's hear it Duck. Which Ute fans said they preferred 9-game conference
Rational:"The PAC is considered weaker than the SEC, Big 12, Big
10 almost every year..."You frantically and emotionally made
that up. When was the last time the BigTen's conference was considered
superior to the Pac-12's. The Pac-12 is typically just behind the Big 12.
Don't confuse the Pac-12 with your WACishness.
navelvet"I feel if we need a "warm up" game, then warm
up with teams like Colorado St, Wyoming, or UNLV -- teams we can beat..."Better stick to Big Sky and D-II teams; Kyle has lost to every one of
the aforementioned teams.
I see that the usual suspects are hoping that the Utes will run away and hide
from the mighty Cougars.We all know that the worm is about to turn,
so they want to end the series now while they still have a semblance of bragging
rights, at least as far as head-to-head.
Sports Authority,You're right, Utah won't schedule BYU
anymore because the Utes are sick and tired of getting pounded by the cougars
year in and year out. Don't the cougars own the all-time series?
@EdGrady & Sports Fan "Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the
Pac-12 bottom feeder."That quote speaks volumes about a football
program that can't beat Utah. Maybe that's why the PAC12 and all
other big-time conferences have not knocked on the cougar's door.
The conference will never go to an 8 game schedule, which is fine by me. The
California schools will not allow it. The only way it would be preferable would
be if we go to an 8 game schedule AND revive the B1G affiliation. But, B1G is
discussing going to 9 games too, so it looks like that will not be an option.All you trollers, who still think that independence is better, talking
trash on this story about our conference affiliation is just laughable.
Irrelevance must be just boring if you have to continually troll Utah stories!!
Every time you post on a Utah story - you prove my point!!! Funny and
Area - the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the
well deserved moniker "Conference of Champions"!! RIGHT NOW, as in
today, as in recent times, the SEC is by far the most dominant conference in
FOOTBALL. There is no one who can argue that right now. I has nothing to do
with reality setting in. Therefore: your argument = silly. There
will be a time, as there was time in the past, when that will not be the case.
Who knows when that will be or which conference(s) will take over. The way that
the SEC is set up right now, with only 8 conference games and a larger
conference, it appears that may not be for a while.The one thing
that is a certainty: independence = irrelevance. This is PROVEN by all the tds
trollers flocking to this PAC 12 story! Love it!
VegasUte"the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL
sports - thus the well deserved moniker 'Conference of
Champions'"Unfortunately for U, the Utes aren't even
close to being a "premier" team in this so-called "premier"
conference; fortunately for the Pac 10.2, however, the Utes are filling their
role as conference whipping boys very nicely.btw, the PAC 10.2 is
close to finishing the bcs era without a bcs championship; how embarrassing, for
the so called, "conference of champions"!
@Chrissy, "Is that bill shakspear over there? i can't see so good."
Here's what you wrote:"I'd rather go find another one
and one like we did with Michigan." When exactly did Michigan play in SLC?
@talkin: the tds will end the BCS era without even a SNIFF at one of the BCS
bowls! Now THAT is embarrassing!!! And I wonder why you are on a PAC 12 story
rather than a tds story!!
@TheSportsAuthority: “We all know that the worm is about to turn, so they
want to end the series now while they still have a semblance of bragging rights,
at least as far as head-to-head.”What signs do you have that the
“worm” has turned? That you are losing the recruiting wars both in
state and out or that your 2013 schedule is significantly more difficult than
your 2012 (8-5) schedule? Maybe its that the tds has such an awesome presence in
the NFL or that your highly recruited QBs have been so amazingly successful or
that you finally have a conference affiliation – no wait, those
don’t work either! About the only thing the TDS did to turn the worm was
create a bye week before the big brother game - you'll need the extra week
to forget 54-10.What is your definition of “semblance”?
3 out of 4, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, 13 out of 20, and 56-34-4 overall is more
than a semblance, it is domination. Maybe you should consult Webster over the
meaning of “semblance”.Go Utes!!
VegasUte"[BYU] will end the BCS era without even a SNIFF at one
of the BCS bowls! Now THAT is embarrassing!!! Not true. Several BYU
teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen. Not embarrassing at all.Unfortunately for U, being a member of a conference that bills itself as
the "conference of champions" and having your conference completely shut
out from winning a single bcs championship is very embarrassing!!!
@ UTE88 - tds will be back in 2016. We just got tired of dominating them, so we
decided to use Michigan for those two years, then we are back to domination!!
@ Talkin: Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls? Now that's
funny!! I thought you guys had an undeniable world-wide presence?? Why would
they not have "chosen" the great and powerful tds?Still
wondering why you are posting on a PAC 12 story rather than on a tds story?
VegasUte:You state "we got tired of dominating them."
I'd like to know just how many of those dominating games you actually
played in to warrant saying "we"?You should be reminded that
per the actual facts, BYU has dominated Utah in wins over the past 40 years with
a record of 26-14, nearly a 2 to 1 advantage. It's hard to get tired in
just the short term, but you Utah is. However, enjoy your little short term
streak for a few more months while it lasts.
vegasute"What signs do you have that the “worm” has
turned?"Utah has been in steady decline since 2008 and your
recent head-to-head success is the only thing you have left to cling to.13 of the last 16 head-to-head matchups have been decided by a TD or
less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah's recent luck is about to
@vegasute: the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus
the well deserved moniker "Conference of Champions"It's
nice that U get to rub shoulders with "champions"; unfortunately for
you, no other PAC 12 men's team has won fewer national championships than
the Utes, who have only won ONE national championship in their entire history,
and that, over 30 years ago in a sport in which only one other PAC 12 school
@ Talkin Sport "Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not
chosen"Please enlighten us on the BCS bowls BYU was eligible for
talkinsports:"Not true. Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS
bowls, just not chosen. Not embarrassing at all...Unfortunately for U, being a
member of a conference that bills itself as the 'conference of
champions' and having your conference completely shut out from winning a
single bcs championship is very embarrassing!!!"The cougars
never finished ranked in the Top-6 (or even Top-12) of the Final BCS standings
like your two big brothers: Utah and TCU. You couldn't even "back
in" to the BCS ala Hawai'i or No. Illinois.And the Pac-12
wasn't "completely shut out". I seem to recall seeing a 13-0 USC
team pounding Oklahoma in Miami's Orange Bowl back in 2004, and winning a
BCS national championship. While that title may have been vacated due
Reggie-Bush induced sanctions, the fact remains, USC DID play in that game, and
the DID win.And if you want to make a case that the Indy-WACers
"qualified" for a BCS bowl, then wouldn't you also have to concede
that USC (2003) and Utah (2004, 2008) also "qualified" but wasn't
talkinsports (cont.):And don't you feel even the SLIGHTEST bit
hypocritical for calling out a conference with multiple Top-5 finishes for not
winning a BCS title when your small-ball program with that alleged
"legacy" and "national brand" couldn't even play their way
into one of the lesser (aka, NOT the title game) BCS bowl games?
navelvet"And don't you feel even the SLIGHTEST bit
hypocritical for calling out a conference with multiple Top-5 finishes for not
winning a BCS title..."Not in the slightest. When an entire
conference arrogantly bills itself as the "conference of champions", yet
isn't good enough to win a single bcs championship, it deserves to be
called out.bottom line - BYU has won as many bcs championships as
the entire "conference of champions".btw - A vacated title
is just that "VACATED"; it's wiped from the record books, like it
If the PAC 12 is really interested qualifying teams for the playoffs, why would
Utah fans be talking about downgrading their schedule, unless of course, the
Utes don't really consider themselves as playoff contenders?
@Olympus Cove "13 of the last 16 head-to-head matchups have been decided
by a TD or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah's recent luck
is about to run out"Of course Utah's wins are lucky but
none of BYU's are including the 2009 OT game, 4th & 18 or Harlene on
his knees etc. etc. You do realize that BYUs last 6 wins in this series are by
a TD or less and during that same period Utah has blown BYU out of the water 3
times. But of course Utah is lucky, we get it.Since 1985 Utah has
the winning record in this series, I don't think it's luck anymore.
U 90"Please enlighten us on the BCS bowls BYU was eligible
for"Look it up yourself; BYU's year-by-year records, the
final BCS standings, and the rules for BCS eligibility are readily available
online.--------navelvetYour BYU bcs
obsession is laughable considering Kyle's only claim to fame is his one-hit
wonder 2008 bcs season. Other than that, his overall accomplishments pale in
comparison to Bronco's, as have been cited ad nauseam.The Utes
have been in steady decline since 2008, and joining the PAC has only hastened
that decline. Remind us again how many of Utah's recent NFL draft choices
and 5-star recruits played in a bowl game last season.
ute buster,Really, you gonna go all tennis smack now. If tennis,
volleyball and track float your boat, that's really nice, but this is a
Utah football article.
uteBustersThat's a pretty impressive list for an athletic
program that's supposed to be "irrelevant", at least according to
the kids on the hill.
Killarney- Not all Utah fans are for the 8 game schedule. I certainly am not.
The only way it would be good for the conference is if the B1G and the PAC 12
renew their agreement for inter conference scheduling. That would certainly not
be a down grade.
@ talkinsportsThe PAC-12, as a conference, has won over 450 national
championships. That number absolutely dwarfs all of the other conferences. Not
to mention that 87 medals from the 2012 olympic games came from athletes who
competed or are still currently at PAC-12 schools. Therefor the PAC-12 is the
conference of champions. Nobody else even comes close.
U 90It's luck. How else do you explain the Utes
beating BYU, but finishing the season with a worse record and a lower ranking,
including the last two years?2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) >
unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner >
unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no showbtw, since 1985, the series is
tied 14-14Top 25 FinishesBYU 12Utah 6Conference ChampionshipsBYU 12Utah 5
2ferRemind us again how many of those 450 national championships
Utah's men's teams have won.
"btw, since 1985..."The modern era of football began in 1998.
Could you update your copy-and-paste statistics, and put the
old-timey-leather-helmet stuff to rest?
Snack WAC:"Remind us again how many of those 450 national
championships Utah's men's teams have won."20. Which
places Utah ahead of our Pac-12 brethren Arizona (18), Oregon (19), Washington
(6), Oregon St. (3), and Washington St. (2).I can't believe you
navelvet"Remind us again how many of those 450 national
championships Utah's MEN's teams have won."Sorry, but
20 isn't even close.Utah's MEN's Ski Team is the only
Utah MEN's team ever to win a national championship, in 1981. Which places the Utah MEN dead last amongst your PAC 12 BRETHREN!---------Utah's COED Ski Team won 9 national championships -
the last in 2003 Utah's WOMEN's Gymnastics Team won 9
national championships - the last in 1995.I can't believe
you're so uninformed about your own team.
The inconsistency of Utah fans is baffling:vegasute: the PAC is a
premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the well deserved moniker
"Conference of Champions" - Not much going on in Provo?uteBusters: #1-ranked BYU men's volleyball team, #4-ranked BYU men's
rugby team, #23-ranked BYU men's track & field team, #39-ranked BYU
men's tennis teamU 90: Really, you gonna go all tennis smack
now. If tennis, volleyball and track float your boat, that's really nice,
buttwofer: The PAC-12, as a conference, has won over 450 national
championshipsmidpacmajor: Over 95% of which were won in a sport
other than football.Snack PAC: Remind us again how many of those 450
national championships Utah's men's teams have won.navelvet: 20. Which places Utah ahead of our Pac-12 brethrenphantomblade: Sorry, not even close.
phantombladeSo the Utah men have only ever won one national
championship, way back in 1981? And that in a college sport so minor
that the only FBS schools that the Utes have to compete against are Colorado,
New Mexico and Wyoming.Interesting.
talkinsports, don't trick yourself in to thinking BYU has ever been
considered for a BCS bowl. Boise(2), TCU(2), Utah(2) and Hawaii(1) were all
undefeated. No BCS bowl has ever considered inviting a 2 or 3 loss BYU team.Jealous, are you saying 3 in a row, 4 of 5, 7 of 10, 13 of 20 is luck?
Get use to it... it's the new normal.
@talkinsports: btw, the PAC 10.2 is close to finishing the bcs era without a bcs
championship; how embarrassing, for the so called, "conference of
champions"!---------BTW, the BCS era is over but the
so called "legacy program" with a "national brand" finished:With 10,000 Quest T-Shirts (see 2008)One airport celebration for a
1-0 team (see 2009)And no BCS berth
'84--Brigham YoungTexas Christian, Boise State, and
Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did
something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a
legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately,BYU '84
differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single
ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't
(though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).BYU's 1984 opponents
went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.They
won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their
opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the
worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How
bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid
12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference
in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.
AZUTE1Despite your jealous whining, BYU's 1984 performance was
obviously STRONG enough to be selected CONSENSUS National Champions by all five
major selecting organizations of the day.btw, if Michigan had beaten
Ohio St in their regular season finale, the Wolverines would have been playing
in the Rose Bowl instead of the Holiday Bowl.btw2, BYU will be
playing for TWO national championships this Saturday - the Varsity Cup
Collegiate Rugby National Championship versus Cal at 1 p.m. at BYU's South
Field, and the NCAA Men's Volleyball National Championship versus UC Irvine
at 7 p.m. in UCLA's Pauley Pavilion. Go Cougars!
"You state "we got tired of dominating them." I'd like to know
just how many of those dominating games you actually played in to warrant saying
"we"?"Really?...So now, nothing Utah does means anything
because the fans didn't play in the game? Wow.Dear haters, The
first step to recovery is: Admitting that you have a problem.Go
phantomblade:"Sorry, but 20 isn't even close."Sorry, I misread your challenge. Utah had won 20 national championships in
all sports. You wanted to just cherry pick the "Men's" sports,
although I'm not sure why. The Pac-12 is the "Conference of
Champions". Not the "Conferences of Men's Sports
Champions".As for the Men...(1) Basketball -- 1916
(AAU), 1944 (NCAA)(2) Skiing -- 1981 (plus 9 other NCs after the NCAA
combined the Men's team with the Women's)
navelvetLOL!AAU champion? How about your PeeWee league
champions?The Helms Athletic Foundation lists Wisconsin(20-1) and
Army(15-0) as the 1916 and 1944 national champions, respectively.The
sad truth is, the Utes have only won one solo men's national championship,
and that over 30 years ago in a college sport that is so obscure that hardly any
fans watch or follow the sport and only 3 other FBS schools participate -
Colorado, Wyoming and New Mexico.If not for Utah's women, the
Utes would be practically non-existence on the national championship scene.
ekute"Dear haters, The first step to recovery is: Admitting that
you have a problem."Sounds like you're ready to take your
first step; maybe you could invite the usual suspects from the hill to join you.
ekuteYou should talk to your friend, Chris B, who posted the
following as the 2nd post on this article:"I dont care if we do
drop a Pac 12 game, I hope we stop playing Utah state and byu all together. They do nothing to help our profile when we win(which we're a
combined 7 out of 8) against them last 8 games."
Serious question: What's the PAC-12 rule on minimum number of sports that
a member is required to participate in. Clearly, few PAC-12 teams field
men's volleyball teams, and the few who do are in the same conference as
BYU. Also, I don't believe Utah has a men's track and field team.
Are they the only conference member who doesn't?I know Title IX
has a huge impact on such issues, but I enjoy not only FB and BB but the
"Olympic Sports" as well and have been sorry to see their demise over
the past two decades. It would be great if the U and the Y could
have rivalries across a wide range of sports.
This is the Pac-12's attempt to weaken their schedules. For all you Utah
and BYU fans, we will soon find out which school is afraid to play the other.
The U has used the scheduling excuse to elminate playing USU and BYU. Now with
another game slot opening up, does anyone think that the U will play BYU and USU
on a consistent basis? They (Utah) will try and find another cupcake to
play..........and if you believe BYU and USU fit the bill, I'm sure Utah
will again schedule these two schools regularly.Time will tell.
We'll see if the U will walk the walk.
Reading comments on either BYU or Utah football articles is a study in
frustration and hilarity. The fact that so many fans for both teams are
divorced from reality is astounding. They can both quote stats so cherry picked
as to remind one of the announcer on Major League, I'm just waiting for one
or both types of fans to pull out a "Oh Yeah, well my team is undefeated
playing at home in October against teams with a left handed QB for the last 47
and a half years." For the love of everything holy, if you can't see
that both BYU and Utah have had great teams and miserable teams over the last
couple decades then you are blind or an idiot. I get not wanting to praise your
rival, but you ought to, at that point, shut it. When you try to argue that
either of these teams has been dominant, or lousy, in comparison to the other,
you look like a fool.Go Cougs.
I like the idea of going to 8 league games; it gives you an additional
non-conference game. The PAC 12 needs to follow suite with the SEC.