I believe the Bible is the word of God, and I believe Christian believers in the
Bible can live peacefully with other religions in a democracy. I believe the
Koran carries much truth that was inspired by God to Mohammed. The LDS Church
shares that belief, even if most members seem surprised by our First
Presidency's Statement on February 15, 1978: "God's Love for All
Mankind". Muslims all over the world have shown for centuries that they can
live peacefully with other religions. Can you believe that
Russians, Arabs, Indonesians, Chinese, Africans, and many other people see our
TV and Cinema and believe Western culture is morally corrupt? Are you surprised
that politically ambitious demagogues will use our flaws to paint us all as
evil? Then don't be surprised when politically ambitions American
demagogues cherry-pick evidence of some Muslim behavior and attempt to stir up
hatred against all Muslims. We must rise above such narrow-minded thinking. We are all God's children and can live together with a little
To LDS Liberal. I'm truly sorry your great-grandparents were disowned by
their families. But they were not e excited under U.S. Law for having done so.
Muslim law does. Read the comments and the words of Muslims themselves. If
Muslim law had been in effect back in the 1840's and after, your ancestors
would not have lived, and you would likely not be here. Being dis-fellowshiped
by your family is no where near the penalty of the loss of their life, under the
law. You can not even hope to equate these actions as the same. Thank The Lord
that we have the freedom to choose, and change, our religion without fear of
death. I'd rather be alive and living the gospel than dead for having
changed my religious affiliation to one that wasn't acceptable to my
cjbBountiful, UTcasual observerSalt Lake City, UT============When my Granparents joined the LDS church - My
Great-Grand-parents, and all their family and friends litereally
"Dis-owned" them.Treated them as if they were dead.Had
nothing to do with them, and wouldn't even speak to them the rest of their
lives.And THAT was in America, THAT was against Christians,
and THAT was against Family!Christians can't believe that
the Bible is the un-erroring word of God and believe in freedom of religion.If that is religious freedom then we need a new definition.
Except that most Muslims believe the death penalty is appropriate for those who
leave Islam. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Northern Africa nations,
Indonesia and other Islamic nations suppress Christianity, often brutally. If
that is religious freedom then we need a new definition.
“The view of Sharia, or Islamic law, as part of a democracy may seem
contradictory to Westerners”Religious people trying to impose
religious views on everyone else via a democratically elected government? Yeah,
it's rather contradictory but hey, I'm familiar with Mike Huckabee so
at least the concept is familiar.
@lostHave you followed the muslims and persecution of Muslims in
Somalia and the DRC by Christians? I stand by my previous comment but thanks
Sharia law is a political tool for Theocracy. Most Americans want to believe
that all religions have the same messages. Unfortunatily, this is not true.
How can you have a Democracy and a Theocracy at the same time? Much has been
written about the injustices of Christianity. It is true there have been
injustices because humans use the tools of the day to get power. What divides
people quickly? Religion and Politics. Americans are charitable and pretty
tolerant. A good Muslim must embrace Sharia-not Democracy. It is hard for most
Americans to believe other cultures would not embrace freedom. If you are a
Muslim you embrace freedom long enough to implement Sharia. There are Americans
that think this Country is rung by Christian zealots. If these same Americans
had to live under Sharia law they would soon long for days past. Sharia is
strict and demanding-it would be like returning to the days of the Christian
Crusades. Not many Americans like being told what to do. I Chose America-not
Goerge,have you followed the plight of Christians and other non-muslims
(as well as other muslims) at the hands of radical muslims in:PakistanAfghanistanIranIndonesiaPhillipinesEUROPENIGERIA?Stop excusing institutional and governmental persecution
BY muslims with isloated cases of persecution of muslims
Moslems can't believe that the Koran is the un-erroring word of God and
believe in freedom of religion. The Koran teaches that Moslems who convert to an
other religion or otherwise abandon that faith must be executed.
My husband and I (both LDS) have been taking courses in Islam and the Quran so
that we can better understand the religion of 1.2 billion people on Earth. I
would recommend such study to everyone. One thing we have learned is that the
social, cultural, and political climate of a country has much to do with how a
religion is perceived and lived. By the way, Uzbekistan was one of the
countries listed as most intolerant of religious freedom, and it is over 95%
Muslim, but Muslims are severely restricted there. North Korea is possibly the
most oppressive nation on Earth, but it certainly isn't an Islamic nation.
We live in a complicated world. to "make sweeping judgments on religions
because of the actions of some ... members" is always foolish.
RE: TilkaSo, how does that differ from the unstated goal of
@Obama10Have you followed the blight of Muslims in Somalia and DRC at the
hand of Christians? If you are going to make sweeping judgments on religions
because of the actions of some of its members.
Extremists of any type are a detriment to having a civil society. Some use
weapons, some use words to sow terror and fear. According to a Pew
report the countries with the largest percentage of the world's Muslim
populations are, Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh.
Obviously must be true because there is a study that says so. And as evidence
of this, look at all the missionaries in muslim controlled countries.
What they should ask is "should there be any legal implications for people
converting from Islam to another religion". Amorphous support for
"religious freedom" can mean all sorts of things, what is needed is
explicit support for people not facing legal issues with conversion. I am sure
that many of these people would oppose legal consequences for changing religion,
but I do not believe this study actually reflects the level that people support
religious freedom in any meaningful way. It is easy to say you support it when
the term itself has not been given any definition.
Really! Try telling that to the Coptic Christians in Eygpt, the Christians
driven out of Iraq, and the thousands of minority Christians killed by the
majority muslims in Africa, naming Nigeria as one. The goal of muslim leadership
is sharia law on the world. On some of there websites state "We'll
invade you with your democracy, and conquer you with our religion". Muslims
have no tolerance for "infidels". The author of the article needs to do
I suppose that Sharia law and democracy might work together in theory, but have
we ever seen this in practice?Because religion does influence so
much of society's thinking, to give it an official role not only selects
one religion above the others but also gives its ideas even greater sway in the
public sphere.Perhaps the reason the US has remained so religious is
specifically because there is a boundary between church and state - one that
keeps both healthy.Look at the last three bullet points in the
article. Honor killings (only two countries with majority support but minority
support in others), women get to decide to wear a veil or not (whoo hoo!), and
many Muslims want their religious leaders to have at least some or even a lot of
political influence.I cannot see how allowing significant political
influence to religious leaders will help install democracy. Instead, such
influence seems to lead to dictatorship or oligarchy. At least that seems to be
a well worn pattern. Hard to see how it will change.
What a piece of propaganda! Have you not been following the events in Egypt and
the Coptic Christians plight against Muslims? How about the fate of the
Christian preacher in Iran who is sentenced to die for his beliefs. Please name
one Muslim country where religious freedom is prized and honored. They may
"allow" little groups of Christians, but these groups are watched and
monitored and tormented. The Muslim religion is very specific that there is only
one religion and any others are infidels and dogs. Your own newspaper today has
a story about countries who are "religious abusers". Check that list
and see how many are Muslim countries.
“The view of Sharia, or Islamic law, as part of a democracy may seem
contradictory to Westerners”It may not be contradictory to
democracy but it is certainly contradictory to freedom.The fact is
many of our western values we hold dear are in direct conflict with much of the
Islamic worldview. We can bury our heads in the sands of moral & cultural
relativism, but this is simply a fact (as many parts of Europe struggling to
integrate their Muslim populations are beginning to realize). That
the European Union is considering passing blasphemy laws (and in some parts of
Europe they already de facto exist) making it a crime to criticize religion
should chill us to the bone. Accommodating the demands for such nonsense here
will not only destroy the principles on which our country was founded, but in
the end will only serve to Balkanize us further.Ironically America,
as the most religious of all western democracies, may end up being the last
bastion of hope to preserve a political and intellectual heritage that, given
the length of our own religious Dark Ages, stands as one of the finest
achievements in human history.
That is until they get control of the country so they can limit religious
freedom to anyone other than Muslims.
The question is which religion is more tolerant?Tolerance has a holiness
all to itself that transcends all religions, all cultures and all races.
It's the ideal civilized man should strive for; and the single barometer he
should be measured with at the end of his life. This is because tolerance
demands learning, understanding and life experience; it demands courage to
express it; and constant vigilance, for the herd mentality is always
encroaching, and will forever be the easiest road to follow.