Already hyping him as a first rounder huh?When do we start the
preseason BCS bowl contender talk? It can't be far away.And
hey, with Bronco's record of .200 against top 25 teams, why wouldnt you
guys be in the running for a BCS bowl this year?LOL
I think he could develop into a professional football or basketball player.
christy"When do we start the preseason BCS bowl contender talk?
It can't be far away."Despite you jealous whining, sounds
like you already have.btw, the Utes were WINLESS against Top 25
teams last season; that equates to a .000 record against Top 25 teams for Kyle.
Hate to break it to U, but your football program is quickly becoming just like
your basketball program, a train wreck.
It was great fun to see Bronson play basketball. Now that the article has
brought it to mind, he did remind me a little of Ziggy bumping people off the
track! But you could see that if he worked hard he could be a starting
basketball player, he is talented athletically.Excited to see the
Cougars and Bronson play football this coming season, go Cougars!
Any way you slice it, Kafusi had a great year. How many athletes had a chance to
play in a bowl game, then play in the NIT semis in Madison Square Garden? Go
ahead and be snarky, Chris B, but I suppose it could be jealousy rearing its
ugly head. Easy for you to judge, since you've probably never played either
sport at Kafusi's levewl. Maybe Bronson will not be a first rounder, and
Bronco probably won't have a great record this year against a brutal
schedule. But if the offense can revive a little and the defense repeat last
year's stinginess, they may be better than you think. Personally, I'm
waiting for the three Lone Peak basketball stars to return from missions, joined
by a few other good recruits, and see how far the B-ball squad can go. Time will
tell. But I'm not going to judge anybody prematurely.
Crissy, Crissy,You sound a little concerned for the upcoming football and
basketball seasons and I smell a little envy. At least BYU has
athletes that can play multiple sports and do it pretty well. I would love to
see ANY Utah player do just one sport well. The Utah basketball team was a
train wreck and the football team remains a cellar dweller.I love my
If this guy is the next Ziggy Ansah, maybe Bronco might look at getting him on
the field before the second half of his senior season.
LunchBoy"If this guy is the next Ziggy Ansah, maybe Bronco might
look at getting him on the field before the second half of his senior
season."You should try doing a little research before spouting
off. As a Freshman, Bronson played in all 13 BYU games and totaled
23 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, one fumble recovery, one
quarterback hurry and one pass breakup.
One BYU athlete did more this year singlehandedly, than the entire mighty PAC
whatever Utah football team AND the basketball team could do combined: win a
post-season game. Hmmmm....
I don't believe Kaufusi contributed anything to the basketball team; yes,
he fouled out of every game he played in, yes, he delivered some big hits in the
key, but Rose would have been better served playing any of his scholarship
players. Kaufusi should stick to football where I believe he does have a future,
leave the hardwoods to real basketball players.
Not sure why previous comment was rejected; but Kafusi has no business on the
basketball court; especially after watching his rough play vs. Gonzaga.
Can't sugar coat it any more than that!
@Spokane UteBy that standard Gonzaga would lose half their starters too.
@SLCWatchYeah, right! I didn't see a single Gonzaga player get
two 2's, or even a flagrant foul during the season. I don't recall any
Gonzaga player fouling out the majority of the games either. I guess that's
how it is when you see things through blue colored glasses, as opposed to an
unbiased point of view.
Correction: that's "two Tee's or Technical Fouls".Gonzaga may play phisical, but they don't play dirty or bring an enforcer
on to the court. They can all hoop.
I think Kafusi should be praised for what he has done. Not critizied and or
pointed out some issues or weaknesses. Not one of us back seat sports critics
can say we have done what he has this year. He had a roll on both teams and
filled it. He was not the offence in Basketball but a big guy to come in and
cause grief. Is he going to be drafted or even play b-ball again. Who Cares?
He had a great season and wish him the best in the future. Wish I could say
@spokaneClaiming you have "an unbiased point of view" is
laugh out loud hilarious. You are a BYU hater, nothing "unbiased" about
@SpokaneYou live in Spokane, home of Gonzaga and you are unbaised? You
attended the Gonzaga season and have no bias? And the "ute" tag amended
to it makes you even further unbiased? I guess thats how you see things through
those Red glasses? You call it physical but not dirty because you're
unbiased? An you say they can all hoop (but Bronson can't) because
you're unbiased? Get back to us on that wonderful unbiased point of view
you have. (oh, thanks for the correction, I wondered what you were
talking about "two 2's")I'm dropping out of this
conversation, I can't deal with so much bias free point of view.
Wow, it looks like the truth has hit a nerve and even made one individual run
off. Again, when did a Gonzaga player/starter get a techincal foul this season,
much less two flagrant fouls in one game? Which player/starter got disqualified
for the majority of the games due to fouling out? Not a Hater at all, just
telling it like it is. I have a lot of admiration for most of the BYU players,
Haws is an excellent player, not to mention that BYU has a great recruiting
class coming in. They also finished the season strong. Kafusi's basketball
record speaks for itself; unless you are a BYU Homer in deep denial. Again, he
needs to stick to football before his "role" on the basketball team
causes an opponent a very serious injury!
@SpokaneUteBronson's a physical dude, but I've got no
problem with it. I actually think it's really funny that Gonzaga fans were
up in arms after Kaufusi puts a hard foul on Olynyk and put him on the floor.
And, of course, the officials were quick to rush to Olynyk's defense.Do you know how many times Mike Hart and Gary Bell, Jr. took Tyler Haws
to the floor in the first game up in Spokane? Guess how many times THAT was
called.WCC's a physical league and Gonzaga's a physical
team (by your own admission), but there definitely seems to be a hierarchy to
officiating in the conference. U DO realize that Kelly Olynyk got his first
foul against BYU with 10 minutes to go in the 2nd half of the 2nd game, right?
And that all three of our bigs had at least four fouls in that game?How does THAT happen?So quit whining about Kaufusi. That was his
job, he was meant to be an enforcer and to get in people's heads.Obviously he did that, since people are STILL talking about him.Go
Okay Boys and Girls lets learn about definitions:Truth: Something
that really occured Example: Kaufusi fouled out of one game all
year-Gonzaga Example: Kaufusi got no technical fouls in the Gonzaga
game-called for one flagrant. Example: Kaufusi average 28 fouls/21
games=1.333 fouls per gameHyperbole: Stating something that is an untrue
exaggeration or false implication Example: "got disqualified for
the majority of the games due to fouling out" Kaufusi fouled out of one in
21 games, 4.76 percent games=please see the meaning of majorityNon
sequitur: Conlusion that does not follow premises Example: "Wow,
it looks like the truth has hit a nerve and even made one individual run
off" As there was no truth in this persons statements it could not make one
"run off". The stated leaving in this case was for one persons
exaggerated bias which is true.Blatant exaggeration, false implication,
fabricated claims: See Spokane Ute Example: "Not a
Hater","I have a lot of admiration for most of the BYU players", and
"unbiased point of view"
@Down underThat's not envy you smell.
"Hate to break it to U, but your football program is quickly becoming just
like your basketball program, a train wreck." I love it. Utah has beaten
BYU in football 7 out of the last 10 years, 4 out of the last 5 and the last
three straight...Bottom line.Also on the bottom line, BYU basketball
has owned Utah for several years now, but they could only muster a one point
win, at home, against that "train wreck." The WCC is weak. Gonzaga was
ousted in the 2nd round and St. Mary's was one and done. BYU didn't
even make the semi's of their tourny.Utahs basketball team will
again be better than BYUs and their football team will remain better.
He's in for a rude awakening this September when he's introduced to
Jeremiah Poutasi, should he have the misfortune of lining-up across from him.
Poutasi will straight abuse him.
2020Lots of wishful thinking completely divorced from reality.Utah football has finished LOWER than BYU in the national rankings in 5
of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era and the Utes have been in steady
decline since 2008.Utah basketball has been a train wreck for years
and lost the majority of its key players from a losing team. Utah's 2013
recruiting class doesn't even come close to matching BYU's, which
recorded its 8th straight 20+ win season and post season appearance.
SLC Watch--- Nicely done!!Bronson didn't deserve the reputation he
had. The only reason he was even on the team was to help fill in the holes of
missing Rogers and Collinsworth. His defensive presence changed the momentum of
a lot of games so in that respect, he performed his role. The Olynyc foul
looked far worse than it was and was made worse by Olynyc himself when he
decided to fake pump. He's just not used to using that move to draw a foul
from a guy weighing 270. Haha I doubt Bronson will be back on the Bball court
just because the team won't be in such a pinch again. Thanks for helping
the team and giving it your best, Kaufusi! Now go introduce yourself to some
QB's this fall!
Bronson got called for some of the fouls and flagrants simply because of his
size. Even the ESPN announcers in one of the games on their network said as
much. If he wasn't so big, the idea of it being a flagrant would have
never crossed the officials' minds.When you run into a guy who
weighs 270, you're definitely going to get a different result than when you
run into a guy 50-70 lbs lighter. Can't call a guy dirty just because he
Nice post SLC Watch... You ate our uninformed Ute friend from Spokane
alive...Hart and Bell and even Olynyk are all very physical
defenders... Olynyk is also physical on the Offensive side of the ball... Rose
just let Kaufusi make Olynyk understand that he doesn't get to do that
without getting some of that back when the BUlldogs play the Cougars...
Particularly in Provo... The Dog Pound is just going to have to get use to it...
And it wouldn't hurt the Ute from Spokane to learn a little bit about
Division I Basketball.I do think that he will be a first rounder in
Football as he has the size, speed, quickness and athletic ability to be a real
impact player (heck, he already is)... I suspect that he will get lots of
attention over the next couple of years and because of his age I further suspect
that a lot of folks will try and push him into the NFL draft early... I hope he
resists...My last hope pertaining to Mr. SpokaneUte is that he gets
to witness 3 more years of Mr. Kaufusi's presense on the Hardwood... A
Cougar Enforcer, I like it.
Great spin and whine-fest by BYU Homers on this thread. If a player from Utah,
Gonzaga or Washington; was simply put on the court to foul and hack the other
team; I would have a real problem with it; make no mistake. While we are talking
about Gary Bell and Mike Hart; how many flagarant fouls were called on the two
this season? NONE! Kafusi had two in one game; and at home none the less. Kafusi
fouled out of more games then the two combined. Sorry to burt your blue bubble,
but when you pull a player off the football team to rough up the oppisition;
that's weak sauce. Don't kid you self! Oh well, at least justice
prevailed and the far better team (Gonzaga) won both games.
@PoymanAnd 3 more years of getting swept by the better team. I
can't wait to watch Gonzaga pound them again. Kafusi will be thrown out by
the time they play Gonzaga. No place for an enforcer in Hoops. I notice he
doesn't stand out on the grid iron though. I guess it's not the same
when your opponent is the same size and punches you back in the mouth. I also find it amussing that BYU fans can't even be honest about the
fouls on Olynyk. Yeah, knocking a guy to the ground and then standing over his
is acceptable. What comes around goes around. Kafusi will get his!
SpokaneUte,Well, you definitely got yours. Thanks SLCWatch. After
reading that post it's pretty obvious who is spinning, and it's not
the BYU fans.
Seems we have a continuing problem with reading comprehension, math skills and
simple logic.I bothered to look up all of the Y's games.I
reiterate:Bronson Kafusi (lest any one confuse who we are talking about)
fouled out of only 1 (one) game all year. He played in 21.In the first
Gonzaga game Kafusi commited: 0 fouls.Majority (for those still unclear on
definitions): means more than half, not 4.76% Davies fouled out more.He
had a total of 28 fouls in 21 games: 1.33 per game.He had one flagrant
foul in the season and that was in the Gonzaga game. (Read the play by play)He was fouled three times by Gonzaga in the same game (twice while
shooting).There is no spin, no whine, no homerism, no hype.Just the
facts.But lets look at a quote: "Yeah, knocking a guy to the ground
and then standing over him is acceptable." This explains why mugging Tyler
Haws was viewed as acceptable by some.If my math, reading comprehension,
or logic are wrong I stand by my U of Utah degree.
@SLC WatchNo problem with reading comprehension; I simply ignored
your post. My response was to the majority of the posts; not yours specifically.
When was Tyler Haws mugged? I don't reacll any flagarant fouls from any
Gonzaga player against him? Go ahead and confirm that one. He got out played, as
did the entire BYU team. I do stand corrected on Kafusi's fouling out
though. Did he even play in any games, other than the home game vs Gonzaga? I
imagine his minutes were limited. It was quite obvious what his intent was
against Gonzaga in Provo, right? Sorry, that game pretty much sealed the deal
with me. A dirty player is a dirty player! As far as education goes, I will put
my Mechanical Engineering degree, with minors and math and english up against
any thing you care to offer; and no it wasn't from the U of U. I'm not
exactly sure what that has to do with the topic anyway?
@SLC WatchI thought you were dropping out of the conversation?
Thanks for your response though; nothing wrong with a little lively back and
forth. I stand by my position; Kafusi has no business on the hard court. @ Cougar1Yep, I got mine. A WCC undefeated season and sweep
of your Cougs. Didn't even have to call a Rugby player in to rough up the
For the record, the vast majority of Gonzaga fans are not this ignorant or
@ Spokane Ute...It is easy to see that you have been nothing more
than a spectator all your life... You have no clue about hardwood strategy...
Kaufusi fills the enforcer role well...As for your Bulldogs... I too
think that they were the better team last year... But like all of your other
facts you are way off when you start talking about Gonzaga sweeps... It happened
last year, but that was the only year, and despite the fact that they were rated
#2 in the nation at the time, the Cougars came within a whisker of winning the
game... In fact, had the Gonzaga and St. Mary's partial Refs called the
last Cougars possession correctly Cusick's shot from 30' that went in
would have counted in addition to Olynyk's foul which would have given
Cusick a chance to win it at the line.I feel pretty certain that BYU
will win at least one game from Gonzaga next year, and with Olynyk and Hart
gone, I am thinking that BYU could sweep (although Few is a great coach).You, however, are a poor spectator... You really need to learn the game
before you spout because you embarrass yourself.
Here are some "Enforcers" for you Spokane Ute, you might recognize some
of the names:Reggie Evans, Den Nuggets and Phi 76ersDennis Rodman, Chi Bulls and SA SpursBen Wallace, Detroit
PistonsMaurice Lucas, Portland TrailblazersThree of
these played on teams that won the World Championship... And yet, you think that
there is no place for an "Enforcer" in Basketball...Again,
study up before you embarrass yourself and other Bulldog and Ute fans on these
blogs... You really look silly with your comments.
@PoymanPleeeze don't try to judge my knowledge of hoops because
you have no idea. Played and watched the game my whole life. Watched Fred
Roberts, and Devin Durrant in HS, watched Ainge, Danny Vranes, Jeff Judkins, Tom
Chambers, etc; through out their careers. I don't ever recall Jerry Pimm,
Rick Majerus, or Frank Arnold pulling a player from the football team in; to
play the "enforcer"; or to rough up the opposition. Do you? This is only
the second year for BYU in the WCC and they have lost 3 of 4 to the Zags. In my
opinion, Gonzaga doesn't rebuild, they reload. I, in turn, feel certain
that Gonzaga will sweep BYU again. Furthermore, be carefull on judging someone.
If you feel I have embarrassed myself because I have a different opinion then
you, so be it. Y Dad/ Y GradIgonrant and Arrogant?
Really? For having a differn't opinon? Comments like that make it difficult
to have any respect for BYU fans. Congradulations! FYI, chiming in and calling
names is weak sauce, surely you can do better than that! Then again, maybe not!
@Herman 2012I didn't think any Ute fans were out there that
would attempt to defend their horrible basketball program...Here's an easy to find fact for you Herman:Utah is 1 win and
11 losses against BYU over the past 7 years... The one win came in OT on the
Utes home floor... And yet you want to throw stones? Utah would be a cellar
dweller in the WCC just like they are in the Pac 10.2...Heck,
y'all lost to Sacramento State and Cal Northridge from the Big West last
year on your home floor... The year before you lost to a Division II team that
no one has heard of from Texas or Oklahoma ( Some Baptist College).Utah is at least a Train Wreck, they have hit the bottom of the barrel and
there is only one way for them to go... Ute fans don't even show up to
their games anymore. (what did you finish, 10th place in your league?) LOLYour Football program is heading the same direction BTW, and you will
see just how poor they are come September.
PoymanYou list doesn't have any college players on it; now
that's odd. Do you always attack others, and call them names; when
they have a differing opinion, or support another program?
@ Spokane UteI guess you don't want to count the 20 point blow
out in the second round of the 2011 NCAA Tourney then do you??? And that was
done without Davies...The Enforcer Point that I am trying to make is
that it is a commonly used strategy in Basketball (particularly in Division I
and in the NBA)... I gave you some examples of Enforcers that played on
championship teams... Kaufusi is an excellent rebounder, a good defender, and he
cannot be pushed or elbowed out of the paint... Those are attributes that
coaches like to have when games get physical. The fact that you don't
recognize it tells me that you know little about the sport.
@PoymanI stand corrected on the NCAA loss, that is correct. Again,
name another college team, or coach, that has pulled a player off the football
team to be the "Enforcer"? It's a weak ploy. IMO Of couse it's
used in the NBA; though seldom. NBA teams can't afford to have a player
that can't produce. Big difference between playing physical and playing
cheap. I also notice that 3 of the 4 players you list have long since retired
from the sport. Make no mistake, I know the game. You probably do as well, but
seem to get upset when someone has a differing opinion. Don't assume to
know some one's knowledge from a post or two; that's a huge leap and
quite often incorrect. Take a deep breath and keep the dialogue civil.
@Spokane Ute...Civil? When have I not been civil? I'm not
angry,just bewildered... I am surprised that you don't recognize that teams
often have a player (usually a post player) that seldom scores but rebounds and
defends the paint well... You listed BYU players from the past, maybe you
remember Greg Kite... He scored little but the person he guarded also scored
little... He was 6'11 and rebounded and defended well... He went on to the
NBA... Gonzaga had a back up Center this year that didn't have great
Offensive skills but he took up a lot of space... Enforcer? Maybe.I
listed the people I listed because they are recognizable names and they played
on World Championship teams (except for Evans)... Some teams are fortunate to
have Enforcers who can score (Malone for the Jazz, Barkley for the 76ers and the
Suns were 2 examples)... Most teams have them however, whether they are good or
bad.FYI, Kaufusi was a 2 sport athlete all the way through HS and he
just decided to pursue Football... He asked Rose for an opportunity to play
B-Ball and he got it.Oh, and calling a player "Dirty",
@Spokane"Do you always attack others, and call them names; when
they have a differing opinion, or support another program?"Specifically: "I guess that's how it is when you see things through
blue colored glasses" or "even made one individual run off" or
"you are a BYU Homer in deep denial" or "Great spin and whine-fest
by BYU Homers" or "Sorry to burt your blue bubble"Uh, do
you mean stuff like this?As to leaving the conversation, I
haven't addressed you since I left the conversation until now if you
hadn't noticed.Others want to know whether or not false
impressions or statements are being made.I appreciate you toning it
down about me but be nice to everyone, you'll get farther. Please include
Bronson. If you notice by reading the article, he wasn't pulled from the
football team, he begged to be allowed to play when Coach Rose lost two starters
and needed a big man. By the way, I did mention Bronson played in the first
game in Spokane and had no fouls, if you watched that game you would have seen
Haws get mugged. It's already been mentioned
By the way, if Bronson's only purpose was to hack and foul, then coach Rose
needs to talk to Bronson about staying focused on his role.He played only
6.4 minutes per game but he wasted his time...Scoring 21 points, shot .600
from the field, only 3-11 from the foul line (which explains why other teams
fouled him), had 34 rebounds (you can't be hacking if you too busy pulling
down rebounds at a 1.7 per 6 minute rate. If he had played 34 minutes like Haws
he would have pulled down 9.03 rebounds a game which would have led the team.Bronson is not Jimmer Fredette or Olynyk but to say he doesn't belong on
the basketball court (the claim that started all this) is disingenuous. Had
Utah or Washington had Bronson Kaufusi they would have used him (and probably at
a higher rate because they needed size, but that's speculation).Teams
use their size to indimidate. Example the first Gonzaga game. Bronson had to
come into the second game because Gonzaga had put Austin in foul trouble by
pushing and bumping him. Hence the need for Bronson. He doesn't push
@SLCWatch"Seems we have a continuing problem with reading
comprehension, math skills and simple logic." Are you actually saying that
this comment wasn't directed at me? Really? Who else on here has taken
exception to Kafusi's style of play; espcially against Gonzaga? Let's
be honest; and let's practice what we preach. Again, when a player fouls
out, with a flagarant foul included, it's pretty obvious what his
intentions are. Did you even watch the game? When you use the term
"mugged"; that's pretty subjective. None of the Zags fouls were
intentional or flagrant. None of the Gonzaga players fouled out. Look that up if
you feel so inclined. I stand by my position. I lost a lot of respect for Rose
and Kafusi after that game. Is it a reflection on BYU basketball? Yes. Do I hate
BYU basketball? Of course not. I was actually really suprised by Kafusi's
actions; and Rose's to leave him in. Hopefully, that game was an isolated
case; as it appears to be.
Futhermore, Utah and Washington don't need to pull players from the
football team to push their opponents around. They need basketball players first
and foremost; as does any team. I guess we can agree to disagree; and
there's nothing wrong with that!
@PolyCalling a player "dirty" is an opinion. I never questioned
your sports knowledge, called you silly or stated that you were embarassing your
self; now did I? A couple of other points; two sport athletes are very, very
common in HS. Are you actually comparing Kafusi to Greg Kite? Greg Kite played
physical, but not dirty. I never, ever saw Kite throw another player to the
ground, then stand over his like he just made a sack. Gonzaga's back up
center isn't an enforcer, beleive me. He's, well, a back up center.
Kafusi made quite an impression on me that game, as he did to all Gonzaga fans!
That's just the way it is!
Interesting Stat I will leave you all withAverage Fouls per 40 minutes
(game)GonzagaHarris: 2.85Bell: 2.3Olynk: 3.4Three
Combined: 8.55Karnoski (back up center): 3.7BYUDavises
(sp): 4.2Kafausi: 8.75Those numbers speak for them self. He averages
more fouls per game, then points: Oh well, to each his own. I stand
pat with my postion. Everyone have a good evening...and thanks for the back and
forth; no hard feelings from my end.
@ Spokane Ute,In my opinion the view that you espouse is nothing
short of Hypocrisy... Gonzaga plays as "dirty" as any team in the
conference... The difference is that they get away with it with the WCC
officials (same with St. Mary's btw)... I'm actually okay with it, as
long as it is called evenly both ways... I don't call it "dirty", I
call it "physical" and good teams have to be physical... Kaufusi just gave back to Olynyk what Olynyk was giving to Davies and Austin,
and what Hart and Bell were giving to Hawes... I happen to think
that Bronson's game against Gonzaga in Provo was one of his best.It got the
Zags fans biting their nails LOL, and I hope to see him getting them to do it
more next year...As a BYU fan, I love watching him... I would like
to see more Offense productivity, but it will come... We saw glimpses of his
ability this year, particularly on the glass, the kid can jump out of the
gym... If I were Rose btw, I would wear your Disdain as a badge of
honor and strive to earn more.
@SpokaneSorry you can't see the good in Bronson Kaufusi. He is a
great young man. He would win you over if you ever got to meet him in person
and you knew he had no flagrant intent in his heart. Have your opinion but
think how calling someone a "dirty player" would effect you if they said
it about you. I'm sorry if I offended you. My intent was to get you to
see things from a different point of view you weren't considering or where
you had a false impression about Bronson.I'm glad you have passion
for your team. But passion for your team doesn't need to extend to
denigrating someone else. You don't build your own house by tearing down
someone else's.Gonzaga has a great program. So does BYU. Coach Rose
would never condone putting in a player to do what you accuse Bronson of doing.
It was a hard foul. It was not intended to be flagrant but it was called such.
Get over it, I'm sure Olynyk has and I'm sure Bronson felt bad because
of it. Have a better not bitter life.
@ spokane uteheres one for youWhile at the University of
North Carolina, Peppers was also a walk-on member of the men's basketball
team. The Carolina football coach, Carl Torbush, said he could play football and
then be a walk-on for Bill Guthridge on the UNC men's basketball team. He
was a reserve on the 1999-2000 Tar Heels team that made it to the Final Four.
Peppers was also a reserve on the 2000-2001 men's basketball team. In the
NCAA Tournament, Peppers scored 18 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in a loss to
Penn State in the second round. After the season, Peppers decided to focus
solely on football and did not play basketball in his final season.