I was raised in a home with 10 siblings, given the necessities of life, but
expected to earn anything over and above that. My dad never made very much
money, but we didn't go without, and to my knowledge, never relied on the
government for anything. I grew up, graduated from college on my own dime(which
I'm still paying off) and have worked myself into a management position
through my own work ethic and a lot of help from God. Yet here I am. being told
that I need to pay more taxes because I'm making too much money. I'm
a living tribute to the American way of life and a success story because of it.
Don't ever try to tell me that people can't make it with hard work,
honesty, and faith. I've lived it!
Truthseeker--passing judgement? No! In a great country as ours, people have
the opportunity to climb out of poverty. The need for a large percentage of
citizens requiring welfare is not needed. Free school meals, food stamps,
unemployment, disability, etc, are expensive, and has created a nation of
dependence.FYI, I was not born in this country, and grew up in
poverty. I took advantage of the freedoms this country gave me, and created
success, and self reliance, without ever taking a hand out.
Thanks Truthseeker for bringing up the children. I guess worf and Chris B
during their during their judgmental rants forgot about them...
Re:worfJust wondering:How do you pass judgement on someone you
have never even had a personal conversation with?Are you in a position to
pass judgement?Kids don't get to choose the circumstances of
their birth or their living situations.Early intervention is the key
to helping kids attain their full potentiall to become healthy and contributing
members of society.
Conservative though most of us are, it is bad policy, if not outright immoral to
let the minimum wage atrophy the way it has. $7.25 per hour? Come on! Figure
out a family, or even personal budget on this amount. This has caused a myriad
of problems for families and their values, government and it's tax base,
and churches and other social welfare organizations. A minimum wage should
support a family of four at the poverty level. It is a simple case of "give
a man a fish and he can eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he can eat for a
lifetime". We are in the business of giving away "fish" and not
only creating a dependent mentality, but subsidizing underpaying businesses at
the expense of those who actually provide adequate compensation. A fair days
work should demand a fair days wage.
Well George, it's like a school classroom. The honor roll students will
experience a different reality from the ones with lower grades.Coveting, envy, and blaming the honor roll students won't cut it. There are some exceptions, but for the most part, people can work their
way out of poverty without taking advantage of government benefits.
Georgey,"No extra money from you just you staying out of the way
of others having access to information and the right to make their own
choices."LOL. Good one.Yep, I'm sure you would
never vote to take more of my money to give to people who have made bad
decisions and as a result are in a tough spot.Yep, I believe you.
@Chris BSo we are going to talk in circles then? Do you not understand my
last post? The point was if you give people the ability to make informed choices
rather than force your narrow view of the world on them maybe we would not have
the same level of problems we currently have. No extra money from you just you
staying out of the way of others having access to information and the right to
make their own choices.
@chris really? nice red herring you are the only one that mentioned Romney
and Bush care to try again? but siense we are throwing around red herrings, I
would have thought you would blame the entire muslim population like you usually
@George,And the liberal mentality is:It's not your
responsibility to decide whether you should have kids or not.It's not
your fault you had kidsIt's not your fault you didnt finish
collegeIt's not your fault you're making good moneyIt's not your fault you're not marketable enough to land a good
jobIt's not your fault you can't save enough money before making
a big financial decision, including having kidsIt's not your fault
you made the decision to be in a bad relationshipYa ya we get it.Everything is either Mitt Romney's fault or Bush's.They should have to pay for everyone else's choices and mistakes.It's getting old demanding that bush and romney fix problems that
they didnt create
So the reasoning on this thread basically comes down to if you cant afford them
don’t have them, don’t talk about sex education in schools,
don’t get laid off, don’t ever have a serious medical illness,
don't have abortions, don't use birth control, don't get divorced
(no matter how abusive the relationship), don't, don't don't
don't.....That’s alright don't you all worry you keep your
head in the clouds the rest of us will deal with reality for ya.
In an article in today's Des News about people spending over $1000 on
average for their children's Prom:"The families that can
least afford prom tend to spend the most, according to a study by Visa two years
ago. Families that made less than $30,000 a year spent the most"I am with worf.If you can't afford kids, dont have them.
Stop making me pay for your bad choices.And if you do have kids, why
are you spending even $1 on prom if you can't afford it?And the
definition of "cant afford it" is if you're forcing taxpayers to
work and then give you money.
Its' always a little scary to me that most people don't/can't see
the "connect" between bringing untold numbers of unskilled illegal
trespassers here and poverty and overcrowding of schools, (among other
problems). The legislature complains that they can't seem to find
enough money for schools - yet we are told we have to provide free education and
food stamps to ANYONE in the world who sneaks in!
This "study" is aimed at justifying and growing the liberal welfare
plantation. More advocacy for big government nanny state solutions from left
wing groups, from a "study" funded by a left wing sponsor.How about some more investigative reporting?--Not just the number
of births to teen mothers, but the number of births to UNWED teen mothers?--Of those non-English speaking children, how many are children of illegal
immigrants?--Of the children living in poverty, how many are from single
parent homes?With that information, I suspect you will be able to
quickly identify the root causes and effective solutions to benefit the
children.a. Don't have kids until after you are married.b. Don't have kids until you can afford to pay for them yourself.c. Enforce our borders and immigration laws.Pretty simple,
actually. However, not very politically correct. So, we are stuck with a
nation with growing poverty, fewer functioning families, and rampant
lawlessness. And then the law abiding hard working people are forced to
subsidize the very behaviors that are causing the problems.
Dave D--why do we judge? Because we're made to pay for them, then judged
for being mean spirited if not happy about it. Citizens are paid for doing
nothing, but having children.It's like buying a new car. Why
commit to five years of payments when your income is not there. Save for at
least half of it before purchase, rather then expect someone else to pay it
off.If a parent lent a car to their teenager, and it's crashed.
That parent has a right to be upset, and make a judgement on future usage. Many go on welfare before birth, and with no plan on finding their place
in life. As a person who just paid a large amount of income taxes,--I'll
make a judgement. Won't do any good, but I find no guilt with being
responsible, and finding my way through life.
I recently read a few articles from The Heritage Foundation on poverty in
America and another on preschools. I am sure there are situations where help is
needed, but not nearly as much as these types of articles portray. I think a
better indicator of poverty would be how many have been to Disneyland in the
last three years. Poverty today is not like the poverty of the 1930's
depression. With government assistance, many live in homes/rentals nicer than
what our family lives in. Food stamps are adequate. Charities are very
generous in Utah. Plus, Utah has a well organized volunteer supply to help out.
If a child is not being taken care of, it is usually the parents fault.
Why do we judge families who, for reasons unbeknownst to us, cannot feed their
children, rather than helping them get to a place in their lives where they can
feed their children?
Why do people have children when they can't feed them?