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Published: Thursday, April 25 2013 4:15 p.m. MDT

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Sambonethegreat
Logan, UT

"Simply put, relying on the Motion Picture Association of America to make choices for you or your children is a mistake."

I really, really, really wish the LDS Church would plainly state this so that the so-called "No R-rated movies" Mormon cultural myth would move on to greener pastures already.

International church should = international standards

Big Bubba
Herriman, UT

I agree that relying on the rating system alone is an unwise approach. For example, Titanic's sex and nudity gets a pg-13 rating while a war movie portraying historical violence with no nudity or sex gets an R rating. Kind of backwards if you ask me.

Willybee71
GARDEN CITY, NY

Hey !! Many Directors and Actors do have their children beside them while they work....This is why so many of them grow up into drug addiction, incurable entitlement, and other beliefs of a fantasy world, one created by their parents. Those that so voraciously pay money to watch, idolize, and try to live those fantasy lives court the same fates.

Nayajja
Ephraim, UT

@Sambonethegreat: The LDS Church's instruction to our youth does not rely in any way on the ratings system, and certainly is an international standard: Check out the latest "For the Strength of Youth" pamphlet on lds.org .

The Church is doing as Joseph Smith suggested: "I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves."

Red
Salt Lake City, UT

Hollywood has for sure lost their mind!

but they really never had much of one.

I had my kids watch Goonies based on my memory of it being a great show. After the 20th cuss word they came in and said this was a very bad show. Same for Ferris Buellers day off.

Clearly "our" standards from youth were different than today.

We need to keep the standards as high as possible.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

Sambonethegreat

The first presidency has asked many to speak at General Conference on this. They used terms they understood, but the meaning was clear and not exclusive to MPAA ratings. We protect ourselves, our families and our homes. That hasn't changed. It is not going to change.

Informed parenting should not be substituted by MPAA ratings. This has been said also. We do not need an "official statement" to know what is right. Such a statement will only say what we already know to be true.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"Hey !! Many Directors and Actors do have their children beside them while they work....This is why so many of them grow up into drug addiction, incurable entitlement, and other beliefs of a fantasy world"

Wow. Talk about a fantasy world. What's it like to live in a world made of your own fantasy?

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

I want to share what I feel about one of the biggest excuses we tell ourselves with media.

I enjoyed The King's Speech. But in retrospect I wouldn't want it in my home without being completely edited (not just having a PG-13 version). Why? Because keeping my home safe means keeping a clean house.

While I believe in showing all human beings respect, I wouldn't place a friend with Tourette Syndrome in a day care. I value a safe, clean, and virtuous teaching environment for children before pleasing the 'ethical etiquette' and emotions of us mature adults who can take a back seat. With maturity, children will learn about Tourette Syndrome and all aspects of life, but in a time and place and more importantly an appropriate way to learn.

Historical accuracy doesn't mean we need a slow motion, high resolution close-up of Marie Antoinette's execution at the guillotine. History can be taught soberly and truthfully without painting a picture of blood that provokes thoughts of horror in people.

There is nothing exclusive about respecting others, preserving history and protecting family. And nothing takes priority before our family. Period.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

I see a lot of movies advertised that probably never should have been made in the first place, not just because there's too much violence, profanity or sexual content, but simply because they're junk with stupid or inane plots, unlikable characters, a reliance on special effects and explosions to take the place of good story writing, and little to recommend them.

Indi135
162 S Marble Canyon Dr., UT

I am not sure what SambonetheGreat meant by "Mormon cultural myth would move on to greener pastures already." But, in my opinion, if we follow the advice of not letting the MPAA make choices for us, we would become much more restrictive, not more free, with what we let our children watch and what we watch ourselves.

When I went to see a Transformers movie there was a family with small children behind me. I was shocked that the parents didn't take the children out 5 seconds in as we followed a woman in underwear up the stairs. But as the protagonists began to sneak into war ravaged Chicago the children behind me started to cry insistently. Their parents chose to angrily shshsh them, rather than leave a movie that was obviously not age appropriate for their children.

Forget the APAA's ability to judge appropriate family content, it seems even when we do watch movies with our children beside us we can be incompetent to rate them appropriately.

Sambonethegreat
Logan, UT

Well, it appears there is hope after all. There are some very insightful thoughts and responses on here. What I meant by "Mormon cultural myth" is that far too often we have members of the LDS Church assuming R-rated movies are always bad, but anything not R-rated is okay to watch. No church manual or handbook anywhere says anything about MPAA ratings.

I was simply trying to say not all bad movies are rated-R and not all R-rated movies are bad. The MPAA is a terrible system and I'm simply bemused that so many people put so much stock in it when infinitely better resources are available to parents.

This is a great book that every parent should read in my opinion.

Brando
Provo, UT

On imdb.com (the internet movie database) there is a cool feature on most of the individual movie pages. Click on "view content advisory" next to "parents guide" underneath all of the rating info. There is usually a very thorough treatment of exactly what's in any movie you might be considering going to see.

rvalens2
Burley, ID

@Sanbonethegreat

I've been racking my head trying to come up an R-rated movie that would not be "bad" for my family. I couldn't come up with one.

However, perhaps you meant "bad" as in poorly made. If that's the case, then your statement is true. There are many lousy, as in poorly made, movies in every rating including PG.

Beaver Native
Garland, UT

Sambonethegreat, I would agree with you in assuming that not all bad movies are rated R and that not all R-rated movies are bad, but ratings do serve their purpose and give you an idea as to the content. I would not watch nor let my children watch over 99.9% of R-rated movies. There are extremely-rare exceptions, such as documentary or historical films that realistically show the horrors of war or the movie, "The Passion of Christ". Similarly, I would not watch 95% of PG-13 and about 60% of PG films, based on content. I look at the MPAA rating and reject looking into R- and PG-13-rated films unless I see a reason to dig for more information. The title of the film often gives a good clue, and I rely on sites that give a better description of the actual content, such as the Internet Movie Data Base or Dove Family Reviews. My standards are mostly based on language, suggestive content, violence and subject matter. If I would feel uncomfortable watching it with a daughter, I don't watch it.

Beaver Native
Garland, UT

Oops! The last sentence on my previous post didn't come out right, but I think you can get what I intended to say.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

That a prudish DN film critic tows the church line is not news, nor is any story that just throws rocks at 'hollywood'. What's missing is the question...why aren't people able to make decisions about this themselves, and pass this skill on to their children? Stop expecting society to dumb down enough to fit your needs. If you don't like movies, don't go. And don't lose your mind over it.

CP
Tooele, UT

I read the article and I am in total agreement. For quite awhile now I have felt that those in the film making industry don't care what they make and put on the screen. I stopped going to movies quite awhile ago because I am not going to pay the price of movie ticket to watch trash. That's also why we don't have cable or any kind of satellite tv in our house either..it's not worth the price you have to pay. I miss the good ol' days when you could go to a movie without covering your eyes and your ears of yourself and your children. So, I for one agree with Chris Hicks with his statements in this article.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I rely upon "The Movie Show" for some guide to movies, but not exclusively. A brief synopsis and some other reviews help and since I'm decades removed from the desired demographic audience I try to see again some moldy oldies. Hollywood is out to make money and appealing to base instincts, means a potentially wider audience, so they go for the gold.

I do think that many in Hollywood are craftsmen at making movies and telling stories, but I just don't like the stories they choose to tell. Just in passing why does it seem, to me at least, that the Brits are better at casting and directing movies and TV shows? I choose BBC and British cinema over American almost any day of the week.

Country Airman
Logan, UT

Ugh, reading these comments and the drivel they contain make me laugh. Indil135 why do you care if someone brings their kid to Transformers, it is not your position to judge them. They maybe great parents and have different views than you do. As far as the rating system goes, its government controlled and they do a pretty good job. Most people find the way they rate the movies pretty excellent. If you feel that the movies are too hard core for you or your families than go to a G rated movie. These movies are created as a fantasy and if you think they will affect your kids or your thinking than there is a dilemma with your moral code. Also the directors and the actors have their own agency to be able to choose what kind of movie they want to create.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

@Nayyaja

"The LDS Church's instruction to our youth does not rely in any way on the ratings system, and certainly is an international standard: Check out the latest "For the Strength of Youth" pamphlet on lds.org"

Unfortunately, while the Church tells its youth to be selective in their entertainment, and that the adults and youth avoid certain forms of "entertainment", they gladly get paid to advertise such material. Akin to having one foot in Zion and another in Sodom. Thus, many, many members of the Church don't filter anything.

It's quite obvious that, though Church leaders spout standards and finger members for sinning, profit outweighs principle. Actions always speak much louder than words. And when standards aren't upheld at the highest levels, it should be no wonder that they aren't at the lower levels either.

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