Quantcast

Comments about ‘Messy lives make immigration debate a messy business’

Return to article »

Published: Monday, April 22 2013 7:06 p.m. MDT

Comments
  • Oldest first
  • Newest first
  • Most recommended
techpubs
Sioux City, IA

Much is missing from this story.
1. Where is the father(s) of these 5 children who are 6 and under?.
2. What was preventing her from having the children and their father go with her so the family would not be split? Even Grandma could have gone with them.
3. Were there any other laws that she broke that are not being mentioned or were dropped with the plea bargain?
Making this all about the seperation of the family is designed to tug at our hearts and make the person who broke the law appear to be the victim. How many stories do you remember where they said the bank robber should be let go because he was just trying to take care of his children?

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

It is absurd that we are even talking about this.
The very reason we enacted immigration laws was to establish a definition of when the law has been broken.
Clearly it is when someone enters without inspection lacking authorization to be here or when they overstay their visa.
It is wrong to now parse that law on a wholesale basis to allow those who have already broken the law to remain.

IMAPatriot2
PLEASANT GROVE, UT

If I remember correctly, it is the POTUS who is responsible to protect the borders. We haven't had a POTUS do that for decades. They are too busy experimenting with social and economic engineering.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

In many countries, immigrants from other countries go to those other countries due to crime. They escape through the borders to get away from being killed by some police or army person in their own country. Others are refugees due to wars in the neighboring countries and people flee to get away from the end result in many cases.

Most of the people that come to our country for the past 200 years come to a land of opportunity. There may be some that come to do evil but those a few and far between. We have produced movies for 70 years showing the world how great life is in our country. However, we also show them the ways to commit crimes through the violence, obscenity and vulgarity in our movies that we export around the world through the Internet and movie theaters. We say that they have the freedom to see those so we can feel gratified in taking their money.

These people come to our country because we have jobs that some of our citizens won't do as it is below their standard and welfare and unemployment pay more.

Politics make this process harder to deal with today.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

What is so complex about: You broke the law. You knew what the law was. You knew what the penalties were. You disregarded all of those. Believe me these illegals know that if they wait long enough something like what is happening right now will happen. That is softness will prevail over the law and an amnesty will happen. They knew this when they came and have been patiently waiting. Greed very well may prevail. Greed by the illegals, greed by business, and above all greed by the politicians.

watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

If your article was meant to make your readers feel sorry for this lady, it was successful. I feel sorry for her because she apparently has not discovered what causes babies yet and she has had to work hard because it seems she has not been able to snag a husband to help with the costs of raising the kids.

She could see no alternative but to steal another's identity so she could work in this country.

techpubs
Sioux City, IA

JWB,
You could also mention that in many countries those who enter without permission are either put in prison, killed, or repatriated back to their own country when caught.
Or you could have mentioned that most of those who came here over the past 200 years did so according to the immigration laws that were in place at that time.
And just maybe we need to reform our welfare and unemployment compensation as well as enforcing our existing laws on immigration and punishing the people who are employing those who have disobeyed our laws.

sally
Kearns, UT

These folks live at an emotional level, with no understanding or regard for the law no matter what country they live in. Everything is about them with no regard for anyone else, unless they are of the same nationality. They need to return home as a whole family to start a new life. Others have done it, so can they.

raybies
Layton, UT

It wouldn't be too difficult to make the law more open for situations like this. Those that say otherwise are simply afraid of the immigation boogey-man, la chupacapra or some nonsense. We should not further criminalize the people who prove through strong family and work values they want to contribute to our society.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Leave it to government to make something "complex" that needn't be.

Just enforce the law.

For a change.

You never know - it might work!

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

This article is based on the idea that the United States is obligated to take in the poor and underprivileged of the world, especially Mexico and South America. Since Americans have a higher standard of living, guilt is used to manipulate the public, just as the Deseret News is doing in this article.

Being deported is not a death sentence or even a prison sentence, especially if deported to Mexico. The standard of living is lower there and there are fewer welfare benefits, but a 130 million Mexicans get by. It is a deportable offense for legal immigrants in Utah to use taxpayer welfare, and Medicade benefits, but it isn't for illegal aliens that commit ID fraud? Using public guilt to gain an objective is a propaganda technique.

johnnylingo62
Gray, TN

So many sad stories... but the victim is not the alien, it's the person whose ID was stolen, the welfare rolls, the job-seeker who is already here legally, but can't get a job.
I've been to Mexico, it's a big country with opportunity. I've lived in Taiwan for 10yrs - all with a valid VISA that I had to maintain and renew every two months or six months according to the law. Laws provide safety to everyone. Just follow the law and process, don't break the law, help others keep the law- and most "sad stories" will be avoided. Shortcuts and lawlessness invite disappointment and chaos.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Thomas Sowell on immigration law: "Why are there immigration laws in the first place? For the benefit of the American people -- not for the benefit of people in other countries who want to come here."

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I had to laugh while reading this one. The immigrant proponents said that she doesn't have a criminal history. What that means is that she hadn't been caught until now.

She broke multiple laws, and now cries because she was caught and is getting off easy by being sent back to Mexico.

She entered the US illegally.

Committed Identity theft by using a SS number that didn't belong to her.

She broke employment laws by lying on employment applications.

Now, after breaking multiple laws, she wants our pity?

Chester Brough
Providence, Utah

Senator Lee is wrong in his stance, and shows great piousness and arrogance; to vote no because any path for an illegal alien to seek citizenship is silly; lets send all 12 million back to Mexico and pay for the costs, the heartache and related suffering. Not even seasonable workers are given a chance to prove worthiness? I do not believe he has ever dealt with someone who just want a chance, want to be free to seek our wonderful benefits as a country.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Why doesn't the DN do articles on American families separated by criminal activity? The state prison probably has thousands of stories.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

It is a LIE that deportation would forcibly "rip" this mother away from her children! She may take her children with her! When they are 18, they may choose to return to this country!

So STOP THE LYING!

"... we shouldn't be as inflexible as sometimes we've been..."

Mercy cannot rob justice. It instead robs innocent individuals, and groups, of compassion. All it can really do is shift the penalty for wrongdoing from the guilty, to the innocent.

That is UNJUST! That is EVIL!

Teaching "Dream" children that breaking the law is the right way, and that it may pay off big with this bill -- as they obviously are being taught, by someone -- is, again, EVIL!

"...who came to the country illegally and who now are trying to understand how their lives could be improved."

Return to your home countries. Take your your minor children with you -- whether U.S. citizens or not. Take any children that you may have illegally trafficked into this country with you -- whether they are 8 years old, or 28 years old.

Thus remain together as a family unit -- in your home country -- WITH HONOR, for a change!

THAT is how you improve your life!

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

@JWB:
"These people come to our country because we have jobs that some of our citizens won't do as it is below their standard and welfare and unemployment pay more."

Our citizens would be willing to do any job to pay the rent and put food on the table. The only problem is, they don't have to work. they get two years unemployment where they can sit back with TV clicker in hand sipping pina coladas.

Mack2828
Ft Thomas, KY

I am grateful for the courage Rep. Lee is showing on this issue.
I believe the only way for this woman to eventually have peace is for her to make restitution for her crimes, gather up her family, go home and work to make her own country great.
Perhaps in the future she may choose to immigrate to the USA and she can do it the honest way.

snowman
Provo, UT

If you're not here legally, you don't need to be here at all. Illegals take so much from our own citizens. There are people living below the poverty level that can't get what the illegals get.

to comment

DeseretNews.com encourages a civil dialogue among its readers. We welcome your thoughtful comments.
About comments