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Sen. Lee says conservatives need to talk more about what they stand for

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 27, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    conservatives do talk about what they stand for ... the problem is the national majority of low information voters don't listen and don't care. America is a hand out nation now and that is how politicians get elected. This is obviously a dead end street ...coming real fast. The money will run out like it has in California and Greece and other socialist states. Until that happens people just aren't listening nor do they care. America has a very UN-enlightened public by and large who values entertainment and social media more that they do important economic survival. Kids that graduate form high school and even college are frighteningly stupid especially in the non-engineering or medical fields. This generation of Americans is a lost generation and that can't lead to good outcome. How bad is it going to get? Well - there is California and Detroit here in the US as classic examples of how socialism and unions gave gutted the economies and left nothing but abandoned buildings and a steady stream of residents leaving for other states. New York is following the same pattern. People only learn when they are desperate.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Its time the GOP shed itself of RINO's like Hatch, Huntsman and Bennett(McCain types).....They offer nothing different than Rocky Anderson! Its truly time for the GOP to fully embrace the "Makers" and identify the libs as the "Takers/Thieves...Go Lee, the first red state Senator Utah has ever had!

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 26, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    Senator Lee seems to be ignoring reality. He continues to espouse ideas that look good on paper but he is a member of a party that wobbles whenever it is held to task.

    He wants smaller government yet opur government was bigger and more expensive 5 years ago than it is today. Are we supposed to believe him he would like smaller governement?

    He says he would reduce deficit yet his party, had it been elected was planning to spend more and achieve a greater deficit than the curent government. Again Mr Lee what you say and what you do are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

    In Utah you and Senator Hatch say one thing and in Washington do something else

  • old toquertoes Sandy, UT
    April 25, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    What a revelation! Start talking about what you are for instead of only what you're against.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    April 25, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    Senator Lee is out of touch with the realities of the modern day. People I know outside of Utah tell jokes about him, with us (Utah) as the punchline.

    I'm sure he's a "good guy"... I just wish he was a 'better' politician and representative of me.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    April 25, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Facts of Life (as I see them) for Utah Republicans

    I don't mean to upset you, but speaking as a friend, I will tell you frankly that Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, etc., will never under any imaginable circumstances be president of the United States of America. And adding the likes of Herman Cain and Donald Trump to the mix only makes matters worse. Any of them gives an unfair advantage to a Democratic candidate such as Hillary Clinton.

    Pushing ultra-conservatism at the national level is largely a fool's errand. There is of course the momentary thrill of the campaign, but in the end there is always the bitter aftertaste of wasted time and money.

    Why not play the game for real and consider for U.S. president more moderate and acceptable Republican candidates of genuine credibility and proven leadership such as Mike Blumenthal, Chris Christie and Jeb Bush? And come to think of it wouldn't that also be a good idea in choosing our Utah representatives here and in Washington?

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    If conservatives talk more about what they believe in, as Mr Lee suggests, maybe less people will buy what they are selling.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 24, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    @Republicantthinkstraigh

    It is a god given and human right to be able to protect one self, one's family, one's home or property, and one's country,

    including tyrannical governments foreign or domestic.

    Not only is it our right it is our responsibility, we are the first line of defense, all others are secondary.

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    -
    IT is utterly and completely laughable as the left, liberals, and progressives continue to not understand conservatism.

    and how silly they are as they fall over themselves to give out ridiculous definitions and try to justify their judgmental and hypocritical ways.

    Even worse and more foolishly is they will try to bring the church into their political ideologies,

    Isaiah 55:8

    "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord."

    Political definition of liberalism ans conservatism have changed.

    Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ, the LDS Church, are NONE of the above.

    Argue your politics, but please have integrity and leave them out.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 24, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" it is ironic that you personally attack me for moving away from the church, when your own opinions have shown that your beliefs are not in line with LDS teachings. If the right is not compatible with LDS doctrine, tell me where? I can give you many examples of how liberalism is either denounced or is contrary to LDS teachings.

    Your continual instance that United Order is socialism is completly against LDS teachings, and MULTIPLE prophets from Joseph Smith down to today have stated that is it not the same. So how can I be moving away from the church if I believe what the prophets say, and you are the one that insists on believing something contrary to what the LDS church President/Prophet has stated very clearly, See my post from 9:40 a.m. April 24.

    Actually plural marriage is not "unorthodox", it was just uncommon.

    I did notice that you don't disagree that the nation has moved further left. So, are you working to make man free or do you want more government to control them?

  • Republicantthinkstraigh Anywhere but, Utah, Utah
    April 24, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    When did god give us the "god given right" to posses firearms? Is this somewhere in the bible. Or is this just an american right granted by the constitution? I get so confused when the term "god given right" is used when talking about the 2nd amendment. So I ask you repubs, did god give us the right to use and posses firearms? Must be the 11th commandment.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 24, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    Open minded Mormon: Wherein did you gather the evidence that I am forcing anyone, including 'open minded Mormons', to do anything other than expect you to live by the Constitution that you agreed to uphold as a citizen? Please advise.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 24, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    @bandersen
    Saint George, UT
    To all that disagree: Maybe you can explain to me. What is it about liberty that you don't understand? Why am I the big bad wolf because I believe in my God-given rights, guaranteed by the constitution, and a government that guaranteed those rights to do nothing but protect me in those rights?

    [Because, rather than just living your life the way you see fit - you pass laws to force others to live like you. That's why.]

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    @RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UTa
    at the time the LDS church was first organized, it was considered quite liberal socially. However, the church has maintained its position, while the nation has moved significantly to the left.

    [The LDS Church in 1842 --
    sought a stronger Federal Government,
    had unothodox marriages,
    provided Universal Welfare and Healthcare,
    United Order {Socialism],
    Women's Rights when women had none,
    Freeing the Slaves,
    liberal Immigration policy - encouraged and financed it,
    Enviromentally Friendly,

    You are right about one thing,
    the Church has stayed the same [which is WHY I'm still a Mormon] -
    We haven't moved, but YOU are moving away from the Church and further and further to the uber-far-right.]

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    The definition of liberal has changed? That's news to Noah Webster.

    The problem is that conservatives have demonized the word liberal, and liberals have demonized the word conservative. Christ was a liberal. Joseph Smith was a liberal. There's nothing wrong with that label.

    Let's look at issues without having to tag the issue with a label that somehow obfuscates the subject.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    To "RBN" at the time the LDS church was first organized, it was considered quite liberal socially. However, the church has maintained its position, while the nation has moved significantly to the left. At the same time, the definition of liberal has changed. The better way to look at the church, using modern terms, would be to call it libertarian.

    While the use of lables doesn't solve the problems, the use of the lables does indicate what a person believes or who they identify with.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    To all that disagree: Maybe you can explain to me. What is it about liberty that you don't understand? Why am I the big bad wolf because I believe in my God-given rights, guaranteed by the constitution, and a government that guaranteed those rights to do nothing but protect me in those rights? How am I a bad guy for wanting the government to live within their means and stay out of things that the constitution says are the states responsibilities? How is that anyone could look at our society today, wherein Democrats and Republicans have been in charge for the last 70 years, and say 'we need more of the same'? Republicans and Democrats love war, welfare dependency, and crave more power. How is it that we have a whole slew of people out there that want to use compulsion to achieve 'their' ends without a care for rights guaranteed under the constitution? As I've said before, if you are for Socialism, then state it and be done with it. Socialism, in the end, eliminates God and 'solves' challenges with man made answers, which don't include 'helping my neighbor'. Socialists can't stand that philosophy.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    @redshirt

    Definition of conservative is: reluctant to accept change: in favor of preserving the status quo and traditional values and customs, and against abrupt change.

    Just playing a devil's advocate here, but wouldn't Christ have been considered a liberal by many of the people of his time?

    Just a thought: maybe these labels (liberal, conservative and "isms") aren't terribly helpful in solving issues and problems.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 24, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" actually consecration is not a form of Socialism/Communism. Multiple Prophets and general authorities have said so.

    From the First Presidency in April 1942: "Communism and all other similar isms bear no relationship whatever to the United Order. They are merely the clumsy counterfeits which Satan always devises of the gospel plan."

    From Spencer W. Kimball's talk Our Paths have Met Again "Remember that the gospel of Jesus Christ is not compatible with radicalism or communism or any other of the 'isms.' There could be those who would profess to be your saviors."

    From D&C 134:2 "We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life." Comunism and Socialism require that you give up control of your property, thus Communism/socialism cannot be part of the Law of Consecration.

    So, either you don't know LDS doctrine or else you have chosen to only believe portions of it.

    Liberals have advocated that there be no poor, but Conservatives have actually made efforts at reducing poverty.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    @the truth

    You couldn't have possibly come up with a worse explanation of conservatism. I have no idea what your brand of conservatism is, but I do know it's not something I want. Perhaps you do need Mike Lee to speak more so that you can figure out what it is you really believe.

    What I find tiring about American politics these days is that the branding is more important than the issues. I tire of both parties being tied to a particular ideology rather than trying to determine what works best for our country, state or locality on a case by case basis.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 24, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    @RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UT

    ...and If you believed in the LDS doctrine, you would also believe that in the future we will have all be living 100% pure Consecration (United Order, a form of Socialist/Communism) - i.e., having ALL things in common, having NO poor among them, except people will still be allowed to chose for themselves (as LIBERALS have always advocated).

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    April 24, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    I am almost positive I know exactly what the Republican party stands for. Protecting the 1% and feeding lies to those who are angry. They also stand for blocking progress if it comes from the pen of one Barack Obama and they think that when they are done with their work in Washington, they should be able to make themselves rich as lobbyists and consultants. That's a lot to stand for, but they do it well.

  • WhyNotThink North, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    It must be nice to see the world in black or white, left or right, Conservative or liberal. I find that most or our problems have more than one answer. Yet the extreme left or the extreme right see only two the right and the wrong answer.

    For example, why is the government involved in a religious ceremony? Marriage should be left to the religions to define. We could separate the government from the church introducing a union clause that is not referred to as marriage. It could be applied to anyone who wishes to have this union performed by the government. Thus the government no longer needs to redefine the age old tradition that is founded on religious principles but can recognize marriage by any church or organization as a legal union.

    Folks, I plead with you...start thinking for yourselves. Recognize that there is always more than two solutions to a problem.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 23, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    Per bandersen.... you either agree with Lee... or you are a socialist.

    It is just that black and white. bandersen, what is it exactly on a daily level that the government is doing that is keeping you from doing what you want to do. Which freedom exactly is it you are missing?

    I don't ask this to be mean, or accusatory, but I want to understand what freedoms people who hold similar thoughts as you do feel they are being deprived of. I just don't seem to feel the threat you all feel. I mean, do you home school your kids? Do you want to get rid of the education system? Do you not believe in government funded roads? At what level do you want or need government out of your life so you don't feel persecuted.

    I would love to understand - honestly.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 23, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    Lots of posters talk about being for smaller government and less socialism.

    But, you defend the Republican party all day long. Is that what you think the GOP has exhibited in their leadership in the last 30 years?

    Look. If you want to be a Republican, just say it. Just don't try to justify it on anti-socialist grounds.

    Why aren't you all Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters?

    (disclaimer, Dems are no better)

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 23, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    Isn't the real problem that Republicans allows the Tea Party folks to control their agenda?

    It isn't surprising when you are constantly chasing fellow Republicans like Bob Bennett out of the Party for not being "conservative enough" that fewer and fewer people are interested in what's left.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 23, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    IT's quite clear form these comments that liberals, leftest, and progressives,

    have no idea what conservatism is, nor what conservatives believe.

    Conservatism is NOT the republican party, the GOP is NOT conservative.

    THe masses do not knw whqt Conservatism is, because the conservatisves not had political leaders who could articulate conseravtism,

    Some equate it to voices on radio, but onl;y couple can articute conservatism,

    but the same liberals=, leftest and and progressivers go out their way to hate, be derogtory of, misquote, take out context, all in discouraging othere from listening and to damage opposing voices to the left. liberalism and progressivism.

    Lee points out we need more voices correctly and clearly articulate conservatism.

    Because as I have said it is quite clear that liberals, leftest, and progressive commenting here, have no idea what conservatism is, just what ever other leftest. liberals, ansd progressives have told them.

    When you get your "facts" from the enemy is will always be wrong.

    We need a better informed people who can think and act on thier own. An idea the liberals leftest and progressives hate.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    April 23, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Balderson, which of your three conservative premises will keep factories from exploding, pipelines from leaking and food from poisoning? If you find one that works, please get the word out to those responsible. We'll elect you President for Life.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 23, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" reall??? that is not what the socialists have to say about it. According to the International Socialist Review (A socialist website), modern Islamic leaders describe themselves as Socialists.

    If you believed in the LDS doctrine, you would also believe that in the future we will have a Theocracy, except people will still be allowed to chose for themselves (as CONSERVATIVES have always advocated)

    If your plan is based on agency and freedom, why is it that your ilk is trying to ban guns, ban trans fats, salt, school choice, alcohol, freedom of speech from those who oppose you, free enterpise, and seeks to control our destiny from birth to grave?

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    April 23, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Banderson. Well, thank Providence that you don't have the "delete button" in your hands, because if you did this would be country that few would want to live in.

    But if that kind of country you want, one privatized and without public accommodation, I suggest you consider moving to Somalia. There for certain, is freedom from that nasty old ungodly socialism. No debilitating paternalism and lack of self reliance, and they recognize God so long as you are Muslim. Nice unfettered free market, no limitations or regulations. Sounds like just your kind of place, but take your biggest baddest gun, because you are going to need it.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    @jsf

    I'm a Republican that wishes Mike Lee would talk less not more. I think he's wrong on immigration, defense spending, and protection of the environment among other things. When he and his right wing friends talk, the Republican party loses.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    And what am I to apologize for? I will apologize for asking that people not irrationally jump to a conclusion blaming a whole class of people for the actions of a few based on a biased opinion of one act out of many. I apologize for pointing out that over the past hundred years there are many examples of American radicals left and right, foreign radicals left and right and religious and non religious radicals, that have committed such acts. I apologize for supporting the concept, that blaming all Muslims for this single act is abominable. And mostly, I apologize for dragging this thread off the topic of policy positions of Mike Lee. Go Mike.

  • George New York, NY
    April 23, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    It’s this kind of arrogance that got the GOP into this trouble. It’s not that us simpletons don’t understand the message it’s that the GOP needs to stop talking at and start listening to the voters.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    @jsf
    Centerville, UT
    A republican senator elected by a majority of voters is not democracy in action, in the eyes of a liberal.

    [and a Republican senator ignoring 85% of his own consituants who supported background checks is not a Republic in action, in the eyes of a conservative.]

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    @RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UT

    Jihadists want the same things you-uber-conservatives do RedShirt.

    A Theocracy, based on God's laws.
    Where everyone is forced to do what is right and they can't commit "sins".

    Lucifer's plan.

    Believe it or not,
    You and I seek the same goal.

    Mine is based on Free Agency and Pro-Choice - where some will make bad choices,
    Yours is based on Martial Theocratic Laws based on God, no one is allowed to make a choice, but can only choose the right always...or be jailed, or killed.

  • SSMD Silver Spring, MD
    April 23, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,
    Since you are, I presume, faithful LDS, you should be:
    Against abortion (at least in most cases),
    Against homosexual conduct and Pre-marital sex,
    Against smoking and drinking,
    Against pornography,
    Against gambling,
    and other forms of vice and decadence...

    Which should make you in compliance with the teachings of the General Authorities and also comfortable with us "uber far-right conservatives."

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    April 23, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    Oh we know what you stand for. We just don't like it.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    This article highlights the difference between conservatives. Senator Lee simply states his opinion about what he thinks the conservatives need to do to help people rally together, and the liberals jump into a personal attack.

    To "LDS Liberal" if the GOP says no so much, why is it that the DEMOCRATs won't vote much of anything passed by the Republicans in the House? Wasn't it Harry Reid (Democrat) that just shut down the gun control debate in the Senate? Seems like your beloved Democrats are the ones saying No right now to the things you want.

    What you posted wasn't an appology, it was an excuse to bash conservatives. You complain about conservative principals, but remember, they have some. Go and learn about what Jihadists want. They want SOCIALISM, just like you and every other liberal.

    Listing off some religious beliefs don't make somebody a conservative. If that is all it took, then you are either not LDS or not a liberal.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 23, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    Senator Lee, I sincerely appreciate your stanch support of the second amendment. Because of this you will get my vote next time. This in spite of the fact that I disagree with you on so many other issues.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 23, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    @jsf
    Centerville, UT

    LDS Liberal you asked me for a personal public apology last week re Boston, after I stated we should not be prejudging who did it. You wanted a public apology when you were proven right about it being a right wing nut job same as the Atlantic bombing. I was wondering were you posted your public apology?

    9:06 a.m. April 23, 2013

    ====================

    I'll be happy to go 1st.
    I apologize wrongly assuming it was a "Tea-Party" right-wing conservative.
    I was wrong.

    However -- as far as uber-far-right-wing conservativism....

    Islamic terrorists see America as morally bankrupt.
    The great Satan.

    They are fighting a Jihad - a Holy War -- against the world's immorality.

    Since they are:

    Against abortion,
    Against homosexuals and Pre-marital sex,
    Against smoking and drinking,
    Against pornography,
    Against gambling,
    and other forms of vice and decadence...

    That puts them squarely into the uber-far-right-wing camp.

    God has told them to "clean up the world",
    and they will be rewarded in Heaven for it.

    So they feel the end justifies the means.

    And, I'm still waiting for YOUR apology.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    April 23, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    "...A republican senator elected by a majority of voters is not democracy in action, in the eyes of a liberal...".

    Democracy in action?

    In the eyes of a Republican, 'democracy in action' is a SUPER MAJORITY, not a majority.

    We elect people, with a simple majority,

    We send them, to DC, where they find out that nothing gets done without a SUPER MAJORITY.

    Republican's have set the record for filibusters.

    Among many things, filibustering is what the Republicans stand for...

    When it's the Republicans turn to control the Senate, Democrats will forget and forgive?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Mike: We are, in fact, a socialist country. However, why am I labeled an extremist for not wanting to be a socialist? I didn't vote for most of the programs you labeled and have been fighting against them my whole life. Yup, I have paid in Social Security and expect to get my money back! However, I am prepared to hit the 'delete' button on all the programs you mentioned, including social security, medicare, medicaid, public libraries, etc. As far as the Military, it too has become 'socialistic'. Defending our country, however, is one of the things our government is supposed to do. Standing armies around the world, however, is not what our founders envisioned. It has shackled us like all the other paternalistic ideas that politicians and irresponsible citizens have allowed. Democrats and Republicans love war and love irresponsibility. As far as police departments, public roads, and fire departments, all need to be returned to the states and citizens allowed to participate to decide what they want and how much. Socialism doesn't work and government run capitalism doesn't work either. Free markets, protection of individual liberties, and recognition of God does.

  • Zaruski SLC, UT
    April 23, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    So Utah's brightest and best Mr. Lee has basically reached the same conclusion Mr. Priebus reached a few weeks ago, which, with much fanfare, was released into the world as a prelude to republicans doing...pretty much the same thing they've been doing. Verbatim.

    Remember when Rand Paul went to Howard University to try and explain the republican message, as Mr. Lee is suggested. "Let me y'all about your people history." Ah, that was so much fun.

    Lowering taxes on the rich and doing away with regulations don't create jobs, as history shows, but as long as republicans get elected, there will be plenty of work for comedians to do.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    April 23, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Senator Lee
    American citizens are well aware and rejected the "grand" ideas Republicans are promoting:

    Lower taxes for the wealthy, higher taxes for everybody else.
    More defense spending
    Voucherizing Medicare
    Voucherizing schools
    Turning Social Security over to Wall Street
    More armed people dispensing justice.
    Tort reform, then the status quo for healthcare.
    Privatizing federal lands
    Oil production anywhere, no matter the environmental risks
    No regulation--except women's healthcare choices and people's marriage choices.
    "Papers please" for Latinos
    Personhood for corporations

    To name a few...

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    April 23, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    Banderson. Show me the places in the constitution where it bans "socialism". Neither I or anyone I know that thinks with a progressive mind wants to "do away with the constitution".
    That notion is nothing but Beck Fox News hyperbole.

    I almost hate to tell you this, but we are already a socialist country. We have state run police departments, fire departments, social security, medicare, public libraries, public roads, public recreational areas, and many other "socialized" institutions like our Military forces. So, feel free to call me and others like me left wing pinko socialists if you will. But to maintain your capitalist purity, you must be prepared to not use any public services or programs, otherwise I will just have to label you a "socialist" as well.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    The anti-Lee commenters on this article seem to be like flies who have now become addicted to all the vinegar Obama has been force feeding them these past 4 years and so now are actually preferring it to honey. They can hardly wait to be the early ones to post negatively on anything considered politically conservative. And since Senator Lee represents conservative ideals so well, they immediately pounce like a swarm of jackals.

    They criticize him personally instead of talking about specifics of his ideology. They criticize in general without offering any new or countering ideas. It amounts to nothing more than bland, outdated "progressive" criticism... another sad way of trying to institute more socialism into our society, sometimes without even realizing it.

    I can't image that being a puppet for Obama could be very fulfilling. In fact, it couldn't be, given that such ideas are contrary to the true foundational ideas which actually made this country the envy of the world... but not so much lately. Liberalism seems to have a way of blinding people to those truths. Let them have their vinegar and complaining while others of us enjoy the honey of solid, proven governing principles.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    A republican senator elected by a majority of voters is not democracy in action, in the eyes of a liberal.

    LDS Liberal you asked me for a personal public apology last week re Boston, after I stated we should not be prejudging who did it. You wanted a public apology when you were proven right about it being a right wing nut job same as the Atlantic bombing. I was wondering were you posted your public apology?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Let's see, against health care, gun control, right to choose, religious freedom, gay rights....nope, it's not a false narrative.

  • Ragnar Danneskjold Bountiful, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    I think the RNC has the opposite problem from what Lee is saying. It isn't that they aren't respected because they are the "no" party, but because they are have spent money like crazy and yet still claim to want small government. You can't rush to the defense of GW Bush for 8 years and his out of control spending and invasion of civil liberties, and then 6 months later rail on the Democrats for their spending. The 3 problems I see with the Republican party.

    1. Their social policies are becoming less and less popular as the attitudes of younger generations shift.
    2. They are no longer believable as the "small government party". Does anyone really believe that Republicans want to tighten the purse strings?
    3. They are viewed as caring more about big business than the American people.

    2 and 3 could take decades to recover from. And #1 gives them the image of being discriminatory. The party needs to change its images on finances, and soften its social stances, or it will slowly die.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:48 a.m.

    "...Lee's speech identifies a key problem facing the GOP, "being tagged as the party of 'No.'"

    =======

    The G-nO-P

    With Senator "I'm not fiscally responsible myself" Mike Lee leading the obstructionism.

    This guy is the poster boy of NO.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Democrats and many Republicans just don't get it. It is not about 'no', it is about yes to freedom and liberty. I don't want government in my life except for what is granted by it in the constitution. What is so extreme about that? It is absurd to hear the accusations that fly over people that want to be left alone to raise their families in an atmosphere of liberty. People complain about big business and then run down to Walmart and buy the latest electronic gadget made in China. Get a clue! Quit acting like you are so helpless. If you want big business out of your life, quit spending money supporting it. Grow up and take responsibility for your life. Be honest: If you are for socialism and want to do away with the Constitution, then say it. Don't complain about Senator Lee standing up for the Constitution. Instead of just complaining about Senator Lee, just post that you support Socialism. We get it. No more need be said.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    April 23, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    The last thing this uber conservative state needs is more anti democratic politicians like Mike Lee. The truth is, like many Tea Party hacks, Lee believes that democracy is a left wing plot. As fellow traveler Pete Cannon has said "Our Founding Fathers did not like a democracy and we don’t like it either." This is the root of Lee's obstructionism. Lets do all we can to frustrate the democratic process.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    Take note all the negative anti-Lee posters professing the errors of the Republican party, would never vote for any republican no matter how moderate or liberal he was. Like a city raised man telling the farmer over the fence the farmer's processes are all wrong as the farmer harvests his crop.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    You have to give Senator Lee credit for being able to see the future for him and the GOP. Picturing him and the party's 2016 Presidentail candidate will remind us of that final scene in Thelma and Louise.

  • van Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 23, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Thanks to Senators like Lee, there will be no republican party. You see, he loves more being the right wing hero getting attention on Fox News more than doing the right thing for Utah. Utah voted out Mia Love and voted for a democrat in the most conservative district in Utah. I hope Lee will face the same fate. I had a wise man tell me 10 years ago that the republican party would self destroy itself over one word. "Immigration". Its time republicans tell these nuts its not there party anymore. Take it back and reject senators like Lee that keeps driving people out of the republican party for there freekish ideas.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    I think Lee has it pegged and I am with him. There has been far too much compromising of principles in the national GOP lately. There has got to be a definate difference in the parties.

  • mightyhunterhaha Kaysville, UT
    April 23, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Lee should know one thing, most conservations do not share his opinions and ideas. All Lee can do is say "NO!" He has no constructive ideas of his own. He does not represent the citizens of Utah except for a samll group of extremists. He can't manage his own finances yet he wants to speak on a National level about finances. He shouldn't be given the time of day.

  • Monk Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 23, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    I would welcome that suggestion by Lee. When they are honest with what they really stand for and people understand and hear it, maybe Utah can wriggle free from the strangle hold Lee's party has on us.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    April 22, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    Why don't conservatives simply wait to be told what they stand for by their real bosses - big business? Keeping the money flowing at election time is priority ONE, and pretty much everyone knows it.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    April 22, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    "...Republicans in Washington have been on defense for two years," Wright said. "Lee and other Republicans are learning that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar...".

    Referring to potential voters as flies will appeal to voters in 2016?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    April 22, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    I hear the GOP loud and clear. And I'm totally disgusted.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 22, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    Do you think people like Lee will ever get that it is not that the American people are not hearing and understanding what they "stand for" it's that the American people are tired of hearing the same bad ideas?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 22, 2013 7:15 p.m.

    The GOP at the national level has gone in too many directions at once. They have fronted moderate candidates who have been coached not to offend. By pulling punches on immigration, gays and abortion they have confused their base and failed to attract independents in any great numbers.
    They have come across as the Democrat-Lite party.
    Someone like Lee is willing to teach conservatism rather than soft-pedal the answers.
    Candor from politicians is always appreciated. Look how far it carried Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich?
    But people of strong convictions are easy targets, brought down by failed marriages and failed mortgages. We need good and honest men. (Where have I heard that before?)