Were these union jobs? If so doesn't the union help out somehow in cases
Weedeater, most Utahns who could join a union don't. They just try to enjoy
the fruits of the union for free. And then when they are layed off, they point
the finger at the union for not stopping it. Then they also vote for
Republicans, who are all about the company and not the employees. When will the
average Utahn wake up and stop voting against their own interests?
The threat of a union is enough. In my experience most workers who are worth
anything can do much better without union thugs holding them back or threatening
them for making the lazy ones look bad. Union leaders tend to be nasty, greedy,
and sometimes sociopathic. They've gotten better in recent years as
they've seen that the vast majority of workers don't want to pay them
to talk loud, look important, and drive nicer cars than the company bosses. Only public sector unions (political incest that shouldn't exist)
are growing. Here in California, they don't care what happens to everyone
else as long as they have their benefits guaranteed for life. If everyone
belonged to a union, our economy would consist of competing tribes at each
others' throats over increasingly fewer resources and opportunities.
Esquire, are you saying that the landslide would have been prevented if there
had been stronger union support? The mine was shut down due to a landslide, not
due to a lockout extending from labor disputes. I agree that companies who
wrongfully exploit their employees need the balance of a union, but I have also
seen a gradual decline in the advantages of modern union support. In the last
four decades the unions have progressively proven that they exist for the
benefit of the union rather than for the worker. They throw organized fits and
bluster, (and hire people to hold meaningless signs outside businesses
constructing new facilities without sufficient dues payers on the project), but
rarely deliver a measurable improvement in the lives of their members.
Ironically, their executives seem to always prosper!
Esquire needs to learn about unemployment insurance, non-union benefit. Unions
skim money from working members and their most prominent achievement is
providing union leaders with huge salaries.
"Esquire, are you saying that the landslide would have been prevented if
there had been stronger union support? "No, Esquire is saying
there might be stronger worker protections to help get them through this period
of being out of work if they had a union.
The picture is telling. The garage is full of 4-wheelers, motorcycles, and a
boat. Had he saved that money for just such an occasion, I'm guessing he
would not be in as difficult a situation.
Look carefully at the photos and ask yourself why someone with absolutely no
rainy day fund would: own 2 seemingly brand new four wheelers, a boat and a
motorcycle (at a minimum, there were likely more toys not in the shot), buy a
four bedroom house for his 3 person family. I feel for the guy, but being laid
off should not be a life altering event.Telling quote "I gotta
move out of my house. I can't afford to live there anymore." News
flash, your inability to afford the lifestyle you were living preceded your
layoff by years. The only impact of getting laid off now is the timing and size
of the bankruptcy filing.Unfortunately this type of financial
recklessness is now the norm in our society. I'm not sure what the solution
is, but we need to fix this at both the individual as well as the governmental
Where I work I belong to the union but have thought of dropping it because it
almosts costs 31.00. That may not seem like a lot but its based on a certain %
of ones wages. Can't say they do anything for me cause it seems things they
should be involved in they could care less.
Okay, the folks at Kennecott knew that a slide was likely within a couple days.
Whose idea was it to keep all the big trucks in the bottom of the big hole?
Seems like they might be needed to help clean up the slide. Maybe if the trucks
were accessible they could remove and process the earth from the slide and need
to hire more people to do the work.
Pragmatic Reader-- I completely agree, look at all the hunting equipment, guns,
expensive furniture, four wheelers, boat. I have worked my whole life and I am
50 years old. I do not have a house even close to the cost of that one not to
mention all of the ridiculous toys. This gentleman is only 28 years old and has
squandered every cent he made without ever thinking of the future. It's not
that I don't like motorcycles, four wheelers and guns, I just feel
investing for my retirement and to maintain a reasonable standard of living for
my wife and children is much more of a priority. He is probably also in debt up
to his eyeballs. I certainly hope all of the people laid off had a different set
of priorities and are able to ride this situation out. I hope this gentleman is
not a representative sample. I just got done taking my family to Disneyland and
it was the first trip we have taken in seven years.
With today's economy, never assume on your income staying constant. Being
debt free is a wonderful secure feeling, allowing you to bargain down on
prices.I've driven ten year old cars, and lived in a small
house for many years. Today, I have two new cars, and a very nice house which
are all paid for.
@hemlock. Unemployment insurance exist because of unions. Don't you
remember republicans calling people who got laid off moochers?@snark. I can't speak for every union but most "union bosses"
salaries are decided by the local union members and are very modest.
I hope they shut the entire thing down. Finally we won't see the pollution
and wasteful use of our water. Shut it down!
Henderson,Mining is wonderful. I hope we keep mining wherever it
makes economic sense.
Esquire, Unions are only interested in their own power and keeping it by
recruiting more union members. Slamming Republicans doesn't help your
cause. Republicans are way more concerned with the "working man" than
the Democrats ever were.