Comments about ‘Boy Scouts of America proposal would end ban on gay youths, but keep ban on gay leaders’

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Published: Friday, April 19 2013 7:07 p.m. MDT

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patriot vet
Cedar City, UT

One of the commenters used the term "PC"(Politically Correct).

What our nation is moving toward with the gay/homosexual liberation is "CC": Constitutionally Correct. As we've seen since 1787, various groups (non-landowning white men, slave men, women, American Indians, blacks in general, children have struggled, but eventually acquired consitutional rights to be equal. It is now time for us to equalize, liberate , accept our fellow citizens that are gay.

Americans should not be afraid or penalized by expressing their personal culture, ancestry, lifestyle.

I am LDS and active. I don't know of any gay people personally, although the statistics say thet some of my friends or aquaintenances are gay. But, they, like all the rest of us, live under the protection of the Constitution. It is time they also receive the rights they have earned.

AlanSutton
Salt Lake City, UT

This "policy" will is bad because it puts sexual matters into the Scout program. Boys of scouting age should not be encouraged to decide whether they are homosexuals or not. If they want to choose that lifestyle when they come of age, in this country they may make that choice. But this new policy would say it's OK for a boy to choose to engage in homosexual acts when he is still a boy, something that Scouting should never encourage or condone.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

The many "let's just get along" comments that have been made are a reflection of decades of conditioning our society to stand for nothing. Those people claiming they are standing for something must not understand the history, rules, oaths, or laws of scouting.

Keeping oneself morally staight still means something to a lot of us. To you, that's old-fashioned and outdated.

Many in our society have been conditioned to regard morality as subjective and to label anyone standing for that pesky old Word of God as hate filled. And those quoting scripture, give me a break. While you're reading, look up Romans 1:26-29, 1 Corinthians 6:9, etc.

This is sad. If this passes, scouting has lost its meaning. But this should be expected in the grand efforts of the fundamental transformation of America.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

patriot vet
Cedar City, UT
One of the commenters used the term "PC"(Politically Correct).

What our nation is moving toward with the gay/homosexual liberation is "CC": Constitutionally Correct.

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Our nation is moving in a direction on many fronts that is incorrect. Especially by those that seek to change the Constitution because they can't have their own way.

infoman
Cedar Hills, UT

It's not just the leaders I would be concerned about. I wouldn't want my boys going camping with openly gay boys any more than I'd want them going camping with girls.

Beyond that, even if the organization accepts openly gay boys, that doesn't mean the other boys will accept them, and you're also potentially putting kids into temptation and then expecting them not to act on it, which seems awfully dangerous.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

MapleDon
Springville, UT

Can a Buddhist, who does not believe in Romans or Corinthians, be a scout?

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

I guess basket waving will become more popular

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@allansutton
I do not mean to be disrepectful but rather give you some percpective of how your comment sounds to those of us that do not share your beleifs so with that said. This "policy" is bad because it
puts religion into the Scout program. Boys of scouting age should not be encouraged to decide whether they are religous or not. If they want to choose that lifestyle when they come of age, in this country they may make that choice. But this new policy would say it's OK for a boy to choose to engage in religous acts when he is still a boy, something that Scouting should never encourage or condone.

@mapledon
actually I think your comment actually speaks very loudly of what kind of feelings and attitudes you are "filled" with perhaps its not others you need worry about.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@AlanSutton
"But this new policy would say it's OK for a boy to choose to engage in homosexual acts when he is still a boy, something that Scouting should never encourage or condone."

Uh... no. It's saying that people who have same-sex attractions would be allowed. It's not like current rules encourage hetersexual sex acts, it just allows those with opposite-sex attractions.

byu rugby
Crystal Lake, IL

The 3% tail wagging the 97% dog. Nobody is preventing the deviants from forming their own youth program. Their only desire is to tear down anything that threatens them. The survey results indicate that the change in the ban will result in a 10 to 1 loss to gain ratio in membership. This whole deal is about pressure the corporate sponsors on the national board are fealing from special interest groups. In the end, it's the money not, honor. So, the BSA will have money, no honor, and fewer members. It will be a dead organization within ten years. And, the deviants won't lift a finger to save it.

What is really making me crazy is that my perception is that the LDS church is sitting on the fence with a damp finger held up in the air. I guess popularity and acceptance really is more important that values.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Time for the Church to stand for something here and walk away from BSA.
Duty to God, here we come.

paintandestroy
Richmond/Cache, UT

Kids struggling with there sexuality are just that, as they reach adulthood they will have choices to make but as kids they need to be supported and given good opportunities.

Openly Gay scout leaders? Not the role models I want taking an interest in my boys

I think given the situation this is a compromise I can support

Bloodhound
Provo, UT

I must admit that I'm at a loss to understand how someone can claim accepting homosexuality is a win for Christianity. Homosexuality is strongly condemned in both the Old and New Testaments. Should we accept adulterers, liars, thieves, etc. Since many people have a propensity to do these things, we must accept them, right? The world we live in is simply unbelievable.

BCA
Murrieta, CA

"How many homosexual 12 year old boys have you known? Zero for me and I suspect that is true for most people"

Because of the social stigma of being gay, it takes maturity beyond the years of a 12 year old to not only come to terms with his sexuality but gather the courage to confront the prejudice of many people. It is easier for young gays to play along by pretending to be something they are not. My son started liking boys at the same time his friends starting liking girls. He hid all of this until he was 19. Because of his courage, he confronted his situation at that age.

BSA is fighting for its life and this is how they are choosing to do it. Its fate will actually be decided when the church decides how it will react to this change.

All Ways Blessed AWB
Newburgh, NY

Those things that are worth saying should be said over and sometimes over again and again: therefore... I repost
The Rock
Federal Way, WA
"On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my Country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight. "

This decision has no honor.
It ignores one's duty to God.
It does not help other people.
It is morally contorted.

Bye bye Boy Scouts as we have known it for over 100 years!

bandersen
Saint George, UT

What happens when polygamists, bigamists, polyandrists, or prostitutes claim their constitutional rights? I'm sure all the gays will want to support all these in their search for liberty under the constitution, right?those too, right?

LivinLarge
Bountiful, UT

I don't see how the BSA could have done more to polarize this issue. All they have managed to do is to offend both sides at once. Makes no sense! It will be interesting and very telling to see how various scouting sponsors respond. I have given a significant amount of property and money to scouting and I find the BSA's decision to be very, very disturbing and will not be donating anything further. Before anyone criticizes my position, you don't know which way I feel, so hold your judgement...

Really???
Kearns, UT

I hope-sincerely hope--that some of you who have posted on here will never have to deal with the fear and pain that comes when confronting their family members about their sexual orientation. It's something that is difficult enough as it is, but to know how some of you feel about those who "deal with same-sex attraction" could make that an extremely emotional issue that could lead to depression and possibly even suicide.

I read a Facebook post from a high-school friend recently. He was sharing the pain his family experienced as a result of how they mishandled his same sex attraction. They rejected him, refused to accept him, and reminded him that he was a sinner. They thought it was for his own good. Unfortunately, he lost hope and took his own life. That was over twenty years ago, but his family still feels the pain today. They realize now that all they were asked to do was love him. Their actions made him feel like he wasn't loved.

Isn't love the high law, anyway?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@The Reader;

Why not just stop judging and let god deal with it?

@MapleDon;

And I refuse to give to the boy scouts because of their bigotry. ("morally staight" doesn't mean "heterosexual", it means upright. Gays can be just as upright and "morally straight" as you - even sexually active gays).

@sky2k1 & cjb & JSB;

Important note: the majority of boys who have been molested in the scouting program were
molested by married men. Pedophilia and homosexuality are NOT the same thing.

@cjb;

I do agree with your second comment 100%.

@SportsChemistry;

Money rules. Sad to say, but that's reality.

@patriot;

I knew I was gay at 12. The closet was the safest place to be back then.

@Way of the Warrior

Could you honestly look someone in the eye who you knew was a good person (maybe even your own son) and tell them they are not good enough to be a scout leader upon finding out their sexual orientation was homosexual?

@3grandslams;

And the 2nd was to love thy neighbor. Another was to "Judge not lest ye be judged". Good luck at the judgement seat.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Irrespective of how one feels about this, the application is simply not to the 12 year old boys often mentioned in the comments.

In its more advanced groups, Scouting includes YM up to age 18. Yes, many leave scouting by that age. But not all. Analysis should be made in that light.

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