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Published: Friday, April 19 2013 7:07 p.m. MDT

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MapleDon
Springville, UT

If this gets approved, I will not give another dime to the Scouting program.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ MapleDon

Why would you want to punish or, discriminate against, children? Shame on you.

American First
Merced, CA

Really?! Since when is it a good idea to further distract already hard to reach 12 year old boys with sexual preference?! Why don't the boy scouts incorporate 'Don't Ask Don't Tell'?! A completely common sense approach for young boys...but then again common sense and morality are relative in an foundationless immoral society.

sky2k1
Provo, UT

I feel like this is probably the best solution. I'm sure being a gay youth is hard, and so hopefully this will help lessen that. But I do agree to keep the ban on gay leaders. Not because they'll force the gay agenda on kids, but because I wouldn't be comfortable with it -- I wouldn't want my sons doing overnight campouts and whatnot with female leaders, just like I wouldn't be comfortable with my daughters doing the same activities with male leaders. Just my two cents anyways.

HappyHeathen
Puyallu, Wa.

Looking back at my time in the Scouts there were two boys who later came out as gay from our troop. One kid was from a family that was supportive and pretty much normal. The other kid had alcoholic parents who paid little or no attention to him. Both guys were popular and good Scouts. Neither were focused on sex and probably struggling with their sexuality then and beyond their Scouting experience. Scouting helped them both become better citizens and gave them a sense of belonging which the one kid really really needed. To me, all our kids are important, even the gay ones.

Jim n' Puyallup

The Reader
Layton, UT

It is time for those who are morally opposed to the gay lifestyle to leave the Boy Scouts. What is wrong will always be wrong no matter what laws countries, States, or cities may enact. The gay life stye is as much a choice as living with a person of another sex without marriage is a choice. We all have our agency. We may all exercise our agency. None of us can change the consequence or our choices. That is up to the God who gave us life and placed us on this earth and gave us agency. We do not get to choose the the consequence of the choices we make with our God given agency.

mattmo
Gallatin, MO

OK, if you are obeying the Scout Oath or Promise this should not be an issue if you are sexually involved with any sex you are not obeying the Scout Oath now if you have those desires and bridle them until marriage you would be good to go. So why are we trying to make this an issue?

cjb
Bountiful, UT

This is exactly the solution I would have chosen. Young gay males are in desperate need of acceptance. Also it doesn't make good sense to have leaders of ANY youth group (who goes on campouts) who are sexually attracted to the youth. Most could handle the temptation, the few who can't make this a wise rule.

With this change, the scouts now need to emphasize the golden rule.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Re MapleDon

You are wrong. With this change people ARE standing up for something. The 2nd greatest commandment, i.e. 'love your neighbor as yourself'.

You need to read the 4 gospels in the New Testament. Jesus often made it a point to associate and show love and concern for what were considered the dregs of society, the outcasts, 'the sinners'.

Repent and improve. Open your heart and in this instance, the Bible.

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Glad to see the BSA finally stopping the immoral policy of discrimination, prejiduce and hate. A victory for Christanity. They'll now get my financial support.

SportsChemistry
ENGLEWOOD, CO

I’m not so upset at the BSA for allowing openly gay scouts into the program as I am that it appears they did it because they couldn’t handle the pressure. The supreme court had ruled in their favor. The had the law on their side. It wasn’t until their sponsors started backing out last year that they decided to reconsider. Essentially, they caved to the almighty dollar. And it wasn’t for the sake of the troops either, which are self-sustaining. It was (at least in my view) a decision made by the administration for the administration, not a change to allow greater access to more boys. They are nothing but a bunch of sellouts.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

This is a strange thing to do for BSA. I say strange because the real issue is not with the boys but with the adults. How many homosexual 12 year old boys have you known? Zero for me and I suspect that is true for most people. However if there were an openly gay 12-13 year old I suspect special accomidations would still have to be made for him on camp outs and other situations where the boys were all together - sleeping or showering etc... I appalud BSA for keeping the ban on gay adult leaders and I suspect the LDS church will most likely keep is ties with BSA since the church doesn't ban homeosexual membership.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

any youth who is stuggling with same sex attraction in the LDS church can now at least know he can participate with the other boys ...in a restricted fashion of course. I do feel the church has been clear with its gay members and the word is you are welcome in the church and the Lord loves you. A 12 or 13 year old boy needs all the love and support he can get with all the things he made be stuggling with in his life and being rejected isn't something he needs.

JSB
Sugar City, ID

To not allow homosexual men to be scout leaders doesn't demonize them any more than not allowing heterosexual men to be girl scout leaders demonizes them. It's just common sense. I don't know if any of my fellow scouts were homosexual when I was a boy. It wasn't an issue. But, I'm sure my folks would have been upset if one of our leaders was a homosexual. The boy scouts have made the right call on this.

Way of the Warrior
ARLINGTON, WA

I believe this is a step in the right direction; however, I also believe that good choices should be made for the right reasons. I hope the Boy Scout organization is not doing this because they feel outside pressure from corporations or gay rights groups, but are doing this because they have a fundamental understanding that barring someone from their organization SIMPLY on the basis of their sexual orientation is not morally right (however, as a private organization it certainly is their prerogative). If sexual purity is an aim of the Boy Scout organization, they can certainly put in place rules against homosexual BEHAVIOR, and remove individuals from their organization that violate those rules.

What's most disheartening about politics is that it has the tendency to dehumanize people and skew reality. Each person on this earth is a beloved son or daughter of God. Our individual value and worth is greater than any of us can imagine. Could you honestly look someone in the eye who you knew was a good person (maybe even your own son) and tell them they are no longer welcome or worth anything upon finding out their sexual orientation was homosexual?

HS Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Patriot
We all knew my 12 year old Mormon nephew was gay at this age. He was loved and adored by his family. He is now 37 and been with the same partner for 15 years. He's a great relative who pays his taxes, contributes to the community and has many non-gay friends. He and many of other family members have since left the Mormon church. That same story can be told by thousands of others. Time to come out of the dark ages.

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

re:cjb

If you're going to throw the bible around don't skip its clear condemnation of adultery and homosexuality.

Your recommendation to read and apply the bible only works with people who have never read it. Sexual immorality including lustful thoughts, adultery, fornication, homosexuality etc. are all condemned and clearly define those behaviors as candidates for repentance.

Remember the 1st great commandment is to love God, not to rewrite his Gospel.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

re 3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

I shouldn't skip the Bible's condemnation of Homosexuality? I wasn't discussing the merits or de-merits of homosexuality, so there was no need to include it. I was only discussing what should be our proper reaction towards it.

John20000
Cedar Hills, UT

Anytime you say sexual orientation, you have fallen into a trap. There is a huge, huge difference between performing homosexual acts and feeling a sexual attraction towards the same gender. I am adamantly opposed to the Boys Scouts embracing teenagers (or adults) who are performing homosexual acts and are thinking there is nothing wrong with that. I am adamantly in favor of the Boy Scouts embracing teenagers (and adults) who feel a sexual attraction towards the same gender, but choose not to act on it.

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

"On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my Country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight. "

This decision has no honor.
It ignores one's duty to God.
It does not help other people.
It is morally contorted.

Bye bye Boy Scouts

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