@u90If you have to proclaim that I am "digging myself a
hole" then I'm obviously not, you just wish I was. The person digging
himself a hole is the one that tried to tell us utah won a basketball national
championship when it certainly did not. Also while I am old enough
to have remebered some of the things utah basketball has done most of the
posters around here were not. That same 36 year old you reference was only 21
when utah went to the final game, most of utah's current student body was
about 4-5 years old, they were clueless. Now that does not diminish
the accomplishemnt in my opinion, that was a great utah team and a great
accomplishment, but it also highlights the typical utah "fan" hypocrisy
which shows itself in these discussions. utah's decades old accomplishments
are "relevant" and meaningful while BYU's are not. We get it.
@ Duckhunter "most of those "accomplishments" happened before any
of us were born"Lets assume you are 36 years old. During your
lifetime Utah has been to the NCAA touney 19 times, 7 trips to the sweet
sixteen, 3 trips to the elite eight, one final four, and one NC game.Just to put that into perspective, BYU has been to the sweet 16 a grand total
of 2 times in their entire history. Just keep posting Duckhunter and dig
yourself a deeper hole.
@u90Winning the ncaa tournament championship in 1944 was not winning
the nationalo championship. Sorry to disappoint you. Yes utah won that
tournament when it was only the #2 tournament in prestige and when it had
already lost in the nit tournament. The national champion that year was Army.
You can look it up.And of course most of those
"accomplishments" happened before any of us were born.
@Uteanymous "Utah has NEVER won a national championship in
basketball"Below is a cut and paste from the espn website. Who
should we believe Uteanymous, you or espn?UTAH NCAA TOURNAMENT
HISTORYFinal Fours 4Tournament Record 35-30Championship
Seasons 1944Tournament Appearances 27BYU NCAA TOURNAMENT
HISTORYFinal Fours 0Tournament Record 15-30Championship
Seasons NoneTournament Appearances 27
U 90Do a little research yourself. Utah has NEVER won a national
championship in basketball and Utah's history of Final Fours and Elite
Eights is grossly inflated by the fact that Utah was SEEDED into most of those
early "accomplishments" long before the tournament expanded to 32 teams.
The Utes have only won 3 or more games in the NCAA tournament THREE times in
their entire history. The HUGH hole in your argument is BYU has
maintained their Elite status in football by maintaining their record of
perennial Top 25 finishes since 1977, and BYU basketball has clearly been the
Elite team in the state for most of the last decade.BYU - SEVENTEEN
AP Top 25 finishes since 1977Utah - FIVEBYU - 4-6 NCAA, 3-2
NIT, 209-66(76%), FOUR conference championships, EIGHT 20+ win seasons, 149-145
overall, 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12 versus Utah since 2005-06Utah - 0-1
NCAA, 116-137(46%), one conference championship, SIX losing seasons since
2005-06Face it, the Utes are nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan in
football and and a washed up has been in basketball.
Uteanymous,You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna
call BYU the state's Elite football program based on their historical
success, that's fine but when you apply that same historical measuring
stick to basketball BYU doesn't even come close to the Utes. Do a little
research on national championships, final fours and elite eights and you will
get the picture.If you want to call BYU the better basketball
program based on their success over the past decade, that's fine, but when
you apply that decade measuring stick to football then you have to recognize
Utah as the premier program in the state based on their 2 BCS bowl wins and
head-to-head dominance of BYU. Which way do you want it Uteanymous?
U 90It's laughable how Utah fans have this weird timeline where
nothing before 2004 counts in football, but nothing since 2005 counts in
basketball.The truth is, Utah doesn't even compare to BYU on a
national scale in football, and BYU left the Utes in the dust in basketball
almost a decade ago.
AZUTE1Give it a rest. The rundown Utes are a has-been program that
hasn't been relevant since Bogut left and even your much ballyhooed #1
draft pick wasn't good enough to get the Utes past the Sweet 16.
Utah's "history" is nothing but ancient history and your only NCAA
tournament championship was won in the weakest, most water-down tournament in
NCAA history, when the tournament itself was the little sister to the real big
boy tournament of the day.
Duck,I was referring to your comments about how all of Utah's
basketball success happened before we were born. Take yourself on a
little trip to the Utah Utes website... start in the year you were born and see
what Utah has done. Here's what you will find; a trip to the NC, a final
four, multiple elite eights and more sweet sixteens during that short period
than BYU has had during it's "storied" existence. Happy reading
As for the future, I think the Cougs are in very good shape with:Top
player from Washington, Colorado and Idaho (Chatman, Calvert, Shaw)Top 5 player from Wisconsin and Oklahoma (Worthington and Hartsock)Three players from #1 high school team (Emery, Haws, Mika)Along
with some other great talent like 7' Isaac Nielsen, Nixon and Toolson.Along with a legit shot at top player from Arizona (Dastrup) and Chapman
(Utah).Sorry U don't think we're in good shape.
Personally, I think it's the best shape we've ever been in.
sports4life1 - "Do you even watch College basketball because if you did
it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the
Cougs."You're kidding, right?Please compare Ur
recruits with the experience that left. Here's the my analysis for the
Cougs.Four Sophomores with significant experience last year (Austin,
Haws, Sharp and Carlino) will all be improved. Collinsworth (who started as a
Freshman) better than Zylstra. Mika (lots of upside) but not at Davies level as
a Freshman. Worthington (first big man off the bench) will be improved over
Kaufusi. We'll be improved at four of five starting positions.Result: Cougs will have 25 or 26 wins and an NCAA invite. With Olynyk and
Dellabedova gone, a real shot at WCC crown. Utes 10 - 12 wins,
depending on whether U schedule Willamette and College of Idaho again. Losing 6
players is not a recipe for success. That's a lot of experience leaving.
@azute and sports4LOL! You're fooling no one, even
yourselves.@u90Of course, and I was alive in 1984 as
well. But that doesn't change what utah "fans" always tell us does
it? None of that "matters" anymore, it is "irrelevant". That is
what utah "fans" tell us all of the time in reference to BYU football.
I'm sure you don't want to be a typical hypocritical utah
"fan". Do you?
@ SnackMake no mistake about it, byu would give their collective
right-arm to even remotely have the history UTAH has, including our recent
struggles in replacing our legend Coach RM, hands down the single greatest HC
this State will ever have. Don't be confused about how a program is judged
nationally regarding success. byu defines utter futility in the only
measurement in existence, which occurs in The Tourney, annually. byu not only
claims the embarrassment of being the national leader in Tourney appearances
without ever reaching The Final Four, but they also could only reach The Sweet
16 w/their most celebrated player ever and did so for merely the 1st time in 30
years. Think about it all for a moment. In other words, on the national stage,
byu is a complete/utter joke. This fact is irrefutable. Period. End of
story.Regarding our proud, storied program up there on The Hill,
we're clearly back on track under Coach LK after just recently completing
Year 1 in our rebuilding-process, well ahead of schedule, one in which we
trended-up all season long and finished very, very strong. All of this
constitutes an irrefutable fact, as well.
sports4life1"Do you even watch College basketball because if you
did it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the Cougs.
You want to look at our team we have everything we need skill wise and were
young if we play together well this team will make the tournament in
2014-2015."LOL! Dream on.BYU is already being
projected as a #9 seed for the 2013-14 NCAA tournament, BYU just signed its best
recruiting class EVER, and BYU 2014 recruiting class could be even better.The Utes will be lucky to finish with a winning conference record next
season, so unless Utah schedules another cream-puff preseason schedule, Utah
will be doing well just to finish barely above .500, with no chance for an NCAA
berth without miraculously winning the PAC 10.2 tourney.
DuckhunterWere you alive in 1998 when Utah played for another NC?
Cougfan that's a very poor prediction unless your counting PAC 12 wins then
10-12 is probably right on. Do you even watch College basketball because if you
did it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the Cougs.
You want to look at our team we have everything we need skill wise and
were young if we play together well this team will make the tournament in
2014-2015. Dallin Bachynski was better than washburn until he seemed to have
lost his confidence and Jarred Dubois played very selfish ball at times and the
Utes played just fine when he was out. With Jeremy Olsen, Brandon Taylor, Delon
Wright, Dallin Bachynski, and Jordan Loveridge running the show this team will
be in great shape. I am truly worried about your cougs though you have Tyler
Haws and a bunch of inconsistent goofballs cause your recruiting talent are on
missions. Truly good luck.
U 90You're a little behind the times, so here's a little
refresher on what's happened since the Utes last won an NCAA tournament
game.BYU 209-66(76%), 4-6 NCAA, 3-2 NIT, 4 conf championships, 8 20+
win seasons, JimmermaniaUtah 116-137(46%), 0-1 NCAA, 1 conf
championship, 1 20+ win season, 6 losing seasonsHead-to-head: BYU 11
of last 12, 7 in a row, 149-145 overall; the Utes haven't beaten the
Cougars since a 6-point OT win in the HC way back in Jan 2009.The
simple truth is, Utah has been a complete non-factor in basketball since Bogut
left for the NBA after 2004-05.
p.s. Kids transferring in/out of programs occurs across the nation to one
extent or another, annually....The excessive number we experienced following our
2011-2012 season was not only by design after Coach LK was hired and immediately
had to scramble just to find enough warm bodies to place onto the court, it was
absolutely mandatory following the worst season in our program's
history....These kids understood this perfectly, up-front, that this was going
to be the case and were in fact deliberately released by Coach LK, excepting
solely the  kids we chose to return--JW/CM/DF.Any others we lost
previous to this were a direct result of the extremely inadequate HCs our AD
regrettably hired and their subsequent firings....They had zero to do w/Coach LK
and his obviously supreme coaching-abilities.
BTW, I'd be making a vain attempt to point a finger at  players
departing early from our program and behaving as if this were some sort of a
negative for us, too, if I were a byu fan, because it's painfully obvious
to them how significantly we've upgraded our roster.Furthermore, w/the off-the-chart improvement JW made this season, 100%
attribuable to Coach LK,, and how JO trended-up all season long, I'm
excited to see how all of our big-men continue this trend, going foward....Delon
Wright, in particular, will have an enormous impact for us and will compliment
JL, tremendously....Not to mention our perimeter-length, combined w/the
pure-shooting ability we're importing....Stating the fact our future is
bright, would be a gross-understatement.
GD played solid D but this was more than offset by the enormous liability he was
on O....I'll never forget the final 02:02 in the UCLA game, for
instance....He finished that game shooting 1-11 overall, 1-9 from beyond the arc
and merely 1-2 from the stripe in a game we should've won but lost by 4
points, 57-53, while holding SM to only 6 points for the game.From
02:02 remaining in the game down to 00:46 and w/the score remaining at 55-53, GD
missed 3 wide open looks from beyond the arc....Later, he even managed to miss a
sure layup, to boot.Regarding this upcoming season, we've
significantly upgraded ourselves and the kid I'm most interested in
watching is Delon Wright, younger brother of The 76ers' SF Dorell
Wright....He was straight lights out for CCSF and was also tight w/Jared DuBois
while the two were growing up down there in L.A.
@imcantmanThat is exactly the same thing you guys said last year,
and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that,
well let's face it, you guys have been saying that for a lot of years.
Every year there are a bunch that bail.Answer me this, when is that
trend going to end? You guys told us last year, and the year before that, and
the year before that, and the year before that, that it was ending that year.
None of you have been right yet.
@u90Is this where BYU fans are supposed to channel utah
"fans" and chastise you for "ancient history" and stuff that
happened before most of us were born?
CFIT never passes up an opportunity to take a dig at the Utes. Below is a copy
and paste from the espn website.UTAH NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORYFinal Fours 4Tournament Record 35-30Championship Seasons 1944Tournament Appearances 27BYU NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORYFinal
Fours 0Tournament Record 15-30Championship Seasons NoneTournament Appearances 27
2012/13 was a big improvement for the Utes over the previous year. Quite
frankly, I was surprised by a few of the wins near the end of the season. U
exceeded my 12 win prediction.But I think it's going to be
rough sledding in 2013/14. There is nobody in the pipeline to replace the stats
of Washburn and Dubois. And there's no top tier talent to support
Loveridge. Loveridge will be a one man show. But with all the young recruits,
this could be the start of rebuilding, U've been referring to the last two
years. Prediction: 10 - 12 wins. Certainly less than last year.
Some fans will start to lose patience with Krysto and another loss to the Cougs,
extending the streak to . . . (sorry I lost count).
Ducky, it's called trading up. Yeah, it's not as newsworthy as that
50 year old-looking guard you guys signed yesterday.
Six returnees is fine. The only negative I see is that Glen Dean could play some
The annual exodus begins.
*Meant to say "the services and time for rehab available"
Wait someone is transferring from the Utah basketball team? It must be April.
Maybe they can sign Chris B if they have any available spots.
It's too bad Aaron Dotson didn't work out. He had incredible potential
when he was healthy, but that hasn't been since high school now. If he can
get picked up by an organization, hopefully he'll be able to have the
services and time available that weren't abundant enough in the college
setting. Would've loved to see him turn his fortunes around at Utah, but
I'd be just as happy to see him do it either in the pros or in a life
Nice article by Alema Harrington. 50/50 I say. Yes, I know who wrote this.