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Published: Thursday, April 18 2013 5:30 p.m. MDT

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CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

sports4life1 - "Do you even watch College basketball because if you did it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the Cougs."

You're kidding, right?

Please compare Ur recruits with the experience that left. Here's the my analysis for the Cougs.

Four Sophomores with significant experience last year (Austin, Haws, Sharp and Carlino) will all be improved. Collinsworth (who started as a Freshman) better than Zylstra. Mika (lots of upside) but not at Davies level as a Freshman. Worthington (first big man off the bench) will be improved over Kaufusi. We'll be improved at four of five starting positions.

Result: Cougs will have 25 or 26 wins and an NCAA invite. With Olynyk and Dellabedova gone, a real shot at WCC crown.

Utes 10 - 12 wins, depending on whether U schedule Willamette and College of Idaho again. Losing 6 players is not a recipe for success. That's a lot of experience leaving.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

As for the future, I think the Cougs are in very good shape with:

Top player from Washington, Colorado and Idaho (Chatman, Calvert, Shaw)

Top 5 player from Wisconsin and Oklahoma (Worthington and Hartsock)

Three players from #1 high school team (Emery, Haws, Mika)

Along with some other great talent like 7' Isaac Nielsen, Nixon and Toolson.

Along with a legit shot at top player from Arizona (Dastrup) and Chapman (Utah).

Sorry U don't think we're in good shape. Personally, I think it's the best shape we've ever been in.

U 90
Corona, CA

Duck,

I was referring to your comments about how all of Utah's basketball success happened before we were born.

Take yourself on a little trip to the Utah Utes website... start in the year you were born and see what Utah has done. Here's what you will find; a trip to the NC, a final four, multiple elite eights and more sweet sixteens during that short period than BYU has had during it's "storied" existence. Happy reading

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

AZUTE1

Give it a rest. The rundown Utes are a has-been program that hasn't been relevant since Bogut left and even your much ballyhooed #1 draft pick wasn't good enough to get the Utes past the Sweet 16. Utah's "history" is nothing but ancient history and your only NCAA tournament championship was won in the weakest, most water-down tournament in NCAA history, when the tournament itself was the little sister to the real big boy tournament of the day.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

U 90

It's laughable how Utah fans have this weird timeline where nothing before 2004 counts in football, but nothing since 2005 counts in basketball.

The truth is, Utah doesn't even compare to BYU on a national scale in football, and BYU left the Utes in the dust in basketball almost a decade ago.

U 90
Corona, CA

Uteanymous,

You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna call BYU the state's Elite football program based on their historical success, that's fine but when you apply that same historical measuring stick to basketball BYU doesn't even come close to the Utes. Do a little research on national championships, final fours and elite eights and you will get the picture.

If you want to call BYU the better basketball program based on their success over the past decade, that's fine, but when you apply that decade measuring stick to football then you have to recognize Utah as the premier program in the state based on their 2 BCS bowl wins and head-to-head dominance of BYU. Which way do you want it Uteanymous?

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

U 90

Do a little research yourself. Utah has NEVER won a national championship in basketball and Utah's history of Final Fours and Elite Eights is grossly inflated by the fact that Utah was SEEDED into most of those early "accomplishments" long before the tournament expanded to 32 teams. The Utes have only won 3 or more games in the NCAA tournament THREE times in their entire history.

The HUGH hole in your argument is BYU has maintained their Elite status in football by maintaining their record of perennial Top 25 finishes since 1977, and BYU basketball has clearly been the Elite team in the state for most of the last decade.

BYU - SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes since 1977
Utah - FIVE

BYU - 4-6 NCAA, 3-2 NIT, 209-66(76%), FOUR conference championships, EIGHT 20+ win seasons, 149-145 overall, 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12 versus Utah since 2005-06
Utah - 0-1 NCAA, 116-137(46%), one conference championship, SIX losing seasons since 2005-06

Face it, the Utes are nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan in football and and a washed up has been in basketball.

U 90
Corona, CA

@Uteanymous "Utah has NEVER won a national championship in basketball"

Below is a cut and paste from the espn website. Who should we believe Uteanymous, you or espn?

UTAH NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY
Final Fours 4
Tournament Record 35-30
Championship Seasons 1944
Tournament Appearances 27

BYU NCAA TOURNAMENT HISTORY
Final Fours 0
Tournament Record 15-30
Championship Seasons None
Tournament Appearances 27

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@u90

Winning the ncaa tournament championship in 1944 was not winning the nationalo championship. Sorry to disappoint you. Yes utah won that tournament when it was only the #2 tournament in prestige and when it had already lost in the nit tournament. The national champion that year was Army. You can look it up.

And of course most of those "accomplishments" happened before any of us were born.

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Duckhunter "most of those "accomplishments" happened before any of us were born"

Lets assume you are 36 years old. During your lifetime Utah has been to the NCAA touney 19 times, 7 trips to the sweet sixteen, 3 trips to the elite eight, one final four, and one NC game.

Just to put that into perspective, BYU has been to the sweet 16 a grand total of 2 times in their entire history. Just keep posting Duckhunter and dig yourself a deeper hole.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@u90

If you have to proclaim that I am "digging myself a hole" then I'm obviously not, you just wish I was. The person digging himself a hole is the one that tried to tell us utah won a basketball national championship when it certainly did not.

Also while I am old enough to have remebered some of the things utah basketball has done most of the posters around here were not. That same 36 year old you reference was only 21 when utah went to the final game, most of utah's current student body was about 4-5 years old, they were clueless.

Now that does not diminish the accomplishemnt in my opinion, that was a great utah team and a great accomplishment, but it also highlights the typical utah "fan" hypocrisy which shows itself in these discussions. utah's decades old accomplishments are "relevant" and meaningful while BYU's are not. We get it.

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