Utah basketball's scholarship roster will be a 50/50 blend


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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 24, 2013 9:19 a.m.


    If you have to proclaim that I am "digging myself a hole" then I'm obviously not, you just wish I was. The person digging himself a hole is the one that tried to tell us utah won a basketball national championship when it certainly did not.

    Also while I am old enough to have remebered some of the things utah basketball has done most of the posters around here were not. That same 36 year old you reference was only 21 when utah went to the final game, most of utah's current student body was about 4-5 years old, they were clueless.

    Now that does not diminish the accomplishemnt in my opinion, that was a great utah team and a great accomplishment, but it also highlights the typical utah "fan" hypocrisy which shows itself in these discussions. utah's decades old accomplishments are "relevant" and meaningful while BYU's are not. We get it.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 23, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter "most of those "accomplishments" happened before any of us were born"

    Lets assume you are 36 years old. During your lifetime Utah has been to the NCAA touney 19 times, 7 trips to the sweet sixteen, 3 trips to the elite eight, one final four, and one NC game.

    Just to put that into perspective, BYU has been to the sweet 16 a grand total of 2 times in their entire history. Just keep posting Duckhunter and dig yourself a deeper hole.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 23, 2013 9:47 p.m.


    Winning the ncaa tournament championship in 1944 was not winning the nationalo championship. Sorry to disappoint you. Yes utah won that tournament when it was only the #2 tournament in prestige and when it had already lost in the nit tournament. The national champion that year was Army. You can look it up.

    And of course most of those "accomplishments" happened before any of us were born.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 23, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    @Uteanymous "Utah has NEVER won a national championship in basketball"

    Below is a cut and paste from the espn website. Who should we believe Uteanymous, you or espn?

    Final Fours 4
    Tournament Record 35-30
    Championship Seasons 1944
    Tournament Appearances 27

    Final Fours 0
    Tournament Record 15-30
    Championship Seasons None
    Tournament Appearances 27

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 22, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    U 90

    Do a little research yourself. Utah has NEVER won a national championship in basketball and Utah's history of Final Fours and Elite Eights is grossly inflated by the fact that Utah was SEEDED into most of those early "accomplishments" long before the tournament expanded to 32 teams. The Utes have only won 3 or more games in the NCAA tournament THREE times in their entire history.

    The HUGH hole in your argument is BYU has maintained their Elite status in football by maintaining their record of perennial Top 25 finishes since 1977, and BYU basketball has clearly been the Elite team in the state for most of the last decade.

    BYU - SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes since 1977
    Utah - FIVE

    BYU - 4-6 NCAA, 3-2 NIT, 209-66(76%), FOUR conference championships, EIGHT 20+ win seasons, 149-145 overall, 7 in a row, 11 of the last 12 versus Utah since 2005-06
    Utah - 0-1 NCAA, 116-137(46%), one conference championship, SIX losing seasons since 2005-06

    Face it, the Utes are nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan in football and and a washed up has been in basketball.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 22, 2013 1:05 p.m.


    You can't have it both ways. If you're gonna call BYU the state's Elite football program based on their historical success, that's fine but when you apply that same historical measuring stick to basketball BYU doesn't even come close to the Utes. Do a little research on national championships, final fours and elite eights and you will get the picture.

    If you want to call BYU the better basketball program based on their success over the past decade, that's fine, but when you apply that decade measuring stick to football then you have to recognize Utah as the premier program in the state based on their 2 BCS bowl wins and head-to-head dominance of BYU. Which way do you want it Uteanymous?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 22, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    U 90

    It's laughable how Utah fans have this weird timeline where nothing before 2004 counts in football, but nothing since 2005 counts in basketball.

    The truth is, Utah doesn't even compare to BYU on a national scale in football, and BYU left the Utes in the dust in basketball almost a decade ago.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 22, 2013 12:25 p.m.


    Give it a rest. The rundown Utes are a has-been program that hasn't been relevant since Bogut left and even your much ballyhooed #1 draft pick wasn't good enough to get the Utes past the Sweet 16. Utah's "history" is nothing but ancient history and your only NCAA tournament championship was won in the weakest, most water-down tournament in NCAA history, when the tournament itself was the little sister to the real big boy tournament of the day.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 22, 2013 9:09 a.m.


    I was referring to your comments about how all of Utah's basketball success happened before we were born.

    Take yourself on a little trip to the Utah Utes website... start in the year you were born and see what Utah has done. Here's what you will find; a trip to the NC, a final four, multiple elite eights and more sweet sixteens during that short period than BYU has had during it's "storied" existence. Happy reading

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 20, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    As for the future, I think the Cougs are in very good shape with:

    Top player from Washington, Colorado and Idaho (Chatman, Calvert, Shaw)

    Top 5 player from Wisconsin and Oklahoma (Worthington and Hartsock)

    Three players from #1 high school team (Emery, Haws, Mika)

    Along with some other great talent like 7' Isaac Nielsen, Nixon and Toolson.

    Along with a legit shot at top player from Arizona (Dastrup) and Chapman (Utah).

    Sorry U don't think we're in good shape. Personally, I think it's the best shape we've ever been in.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 20, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    sports4life1 - "Do you even watch College basketball because if you did it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the Cougs."

    You're kidding, right?

    Please compare Ur recruits with the experience that left. Here's the my analysis for the Cougs.

    Four Sophomores with significant experience last year (Austin, Haws, Sharp and Carlino) will all be improved. Collinsworth (who started as a Freshman) better than Zylstra. Mika (lots of upside) but not at Davies level as a Freshman. Worthington (first big man off the bench) will be improved over Kaufusi. We'll be improved at four of five starting positions.

    Result: Cougs will have 25 or 26 wins and an NCAA invite. With Olynyk and Dellabedova gone, a real shot at WCC crown.

    Utes 10 - 12 wins, depending on whether U schedule Willamette and College of Idaho again. Losing 6 players is not a recipe for success. That's a lot of experience leaving.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 20, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    @azute and sports4

    LOL! You're fooling no one, even yourselves.


    Of course, and I was alive in 1984 as well. But that doesn't change what utah "fans" always tell us does it? None of that "matters" anymore, it is "irrelevant". That is what utah "fans" tell us all of the time in reference to BYU football. I'm sure you don't want to be a typical hypocritical utah "fan".

    Do you?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 20, 2013 5:36 a.m.

    @ Snack

    Make no mistake about it, byu would give their collective right-arm to even remotely have the history UTAH has, including our recent struggles in replacing our legend Coach RM, hands down the single greatest HC this State will ever have. Don't be confused about how a program is judged nationally regarding success. byu defines utter futility in the only measurement in existence, which occurs in The Tourney, annually. byu not only claims the embarrassment of being the national leader in Tourney appearances without ever reaching The Final Four, but they also could only reach The Sweet 16 w/their most celebrated player ever and did so for merely the 1st time in 30 years. Think about it all for a moment. In other words, on the national stage, byu is a complete/utter joke. This fact is irrefutable. Period. End of story.

    Regarding our proud, storied program up there on The Hill, we're clearly back on track under Coach LK after just recently completing Year 1 in our rebuilding-process, well ahead of schedule, one in which we trended-up all season long and finished very, very strong. All of this constitutes an irrefutable fact, as well.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 19, 2013 11:27 p.m.


    "Do you even watch College basketball because if you did it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the Cougs. You want to look at our team we have everything we need skill wise and were young if we play together well this team will make the tournament in 2014-2015."

    LOL! Dream on.

    BYU is already being projected as a #9 seed for the 2013-14 NCAA tournament, BYU just signed its best recruiting class EVER, and BYU 2014 recruiting class could be even better.

    The Utes will be lucky to finish with a winning conference record next season, so unless Utah schedules another cream-puff preseason schedule, Utah will be doing well just to finish barely above .500, with no chance for an NCAA berth without miraculously winning the PAC 10.2 tourney.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 19, 2013 10:25 p.m.


    Were you alive in 1998 when Utah played for another NC?

  • sports4life1 OGDEN, UT
    April 19, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Cougfan that's a very poor prediction unless your counting PAC 12 wins then 10-12 is probably right on. Do you even watch College basketball because if you did it'd sound rather obvious Utes are in much better shape than the Cougs.
    You want to look at our team we have everything we need skill wise and were young if we play together well this team will make the tournament in 2014-2015. Dallin Bachynski was better than washburn until he seemed to have lost his confidence and Jarred Dubois played very selfish ball at times and the Utes played just fine when he was out. With Jeremy Olsen, Brandon Taylor, Delon Wright, Dallin Bachynski, and Jordan Loveridge running the show this team will be in great shape. I am truly worried about your cougs though you have Tyler Haws and a bunch of inconsistent goofballs cause your recruiting talent are on missions. Truly good luck.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 19, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    U 90

    You're a little behind the times, so here's a little refresher on what's happened since the Utes last won an NCAA tournament game.

    BYU 209-66(76%), 4-6 NCAA, 3-2 NIT, 4 conf championships, 8 20+ win seasons, Jimmermania

    Utah 116-137(46%), 0-1 NCAA, 1 conf championship, 1 20+ win season, 6 losing seasons

    Head-to-head: BYU 11 of last 12, 7 in a row, 149-145 overall; the Utes haven't beaten the Cougars since a 6-point OT win in the HC way back in Jan 2009.

    The simple truth is, Utah has been a complete non-factor in basketball since Bogut left for the NBA after 2004-05.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 19, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    p.s. Kids transferring in/out of programs occurs across the nation to one extent or another, annually....The excessive number we experienced following our 2011-2012 season was not only by design after Coach LK was hired and immediately had to scramble just to find enough warm bodies to place onto the court, it was absolutely mandatory following the worst season in our program's history....These kids understood this perfectly, up-front, that this was going to be the case and were in fact deliberately released by Coach LK, excepting solely the [3] kids we chose to return--JW/CM/DF.

    Any others we lost previous to this were a direct result of the extremely inadequate HCs our AD regrettably hired and their subsequent firings....They had zero to do w/Coach LK and his obviously supreme coaching-abilities.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 19, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    BTW, I'd be making a vain attempt to point a finger at [3] players departing early from our program and behaving as if this were some sort of a negative for us, too, if I were a byu fan, because it's painfully obvious to them how significantly we've upgraded our roster.

    Furthermore, w/the off-the-chart improvement JW made this season, 100% attribuable to Coach LK,, and how JO trended-up all season long, I'm excited to see how all of our big-men continue this trend, going foward....Delon Wright, in particular, will have an enormous impact for us and will compliment JL, tremendously....Not to mention our perimeter-length, combined w/the pure-shooting ability we're importing....Stating the fact our future is bright, would be a gross-understatement.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 19, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    GD played solid D but this was more than offset by the enormous liability he was on O....I'll never forget the final 02:02 in the UCLA game, for instance....He finished that game shooting 1-11 overall, 1-9 from beyond the arc and merely 1-2 from the stripe in a game we should've won but lost by 4 points, 57-53, while holding SM to only 6 points for the game.

    From 02:02 remaining in the game down to 00:46 and w/the score remaining at 55-53, GD missed 3 wide open looks from beyond the arc....Later, he even managed to miss a sure layup, to boot.

    Regarding this upcoming season, we've significantly upgraded ourselves and the kid I'm most interested in watching is Delon Wright, younger brother of The 76ers' SF Dorell Wright....He was straight lights out for CCSF and was also tight w/Jared DuBois while the two were growing up down there in L.A.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 19, 2013 3:49 p.m.


    That is exactly the same thing you guys said last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that, well let's face it, you guys have been saying that for a lot of years. Every year there are a bunch that bail.

    Answer me this, when is that trend going to end? You guys told us last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that, that it was ending that year. None of you have been right yet.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 19, 2013 3:47 p.m.


    Is this where BYU fans are supposed to channel utah "fans" and chastise you for "ancient history" and stuff that happened before most of us were born?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    April 19, 2013 2:02 p.m.

    CFIT never passes up an opportunity to take a dig at the Utes. Below is a copy and paste from the espn website.

    Final Fours 4
    Tournament Record 35-30
    Championship Seasons 1944
    Tournament Appearances 27

    Final Fours 0
    Tournament Record 15-30
    Championship Seasons None
    Tournament Appearances 27

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 19, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    2012/13 was a big improvement for the Utes over the previous year. Quite frankly, I was surprised by a few of the wins near the end of the season. U exceeded my 12 win prediction.

    But I think it's going to be rough sledding in 2013/14. There is nobody in the pipeline to replace the stats of Washburn and Dubois. And there's no top tier talent to support Loveridge. Loveridge will be a one man show. But with all the young recruits, this could be the start of rebuilding, U've been referring to the last two years.

    Prediction: 10 - 12 wins. Certainly less than last year. Some fans will start to lose patience with Krysto and another loss to the Cougs, extending the streak to . . . (sorry I lost count).

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    April 19, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Ducky, it's called trading up. Yeah, it's not as newsworthy as that 50 year old-looking guard you guys signed yesterday.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    April 19, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Six returnees is fine. The only negative I see is that Glen Dean could play some d.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 19, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    The annual exodus begins.

    April 18, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    *Meant to say "the services and time for rehab available"

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    April 18, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    Wait someone is transferring from the Utah basketball team? It must be April. Maybe they can sign Chris B if they have any available spots.

    April 18, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    It's too bad Aaron Dotson didn't work out. He had incredible potential when he was healthy, but that hasn't been since high school now. If he can get picked up by an organization, hopefully he'll be able to have the services and time available that weren't abundant enough in the college setting. Would've loved to see him turn his fortunes around at Utah, but I'd be just as happy to see him do it either in the pros or in a life beyond basketball.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    April 18, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    Nice article by Alema Harrington. 50/50 I say. Yes, I know who wrote this.