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Published: Wednesday, April 17 2013 9:22 p.m. MDT

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Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Kudos to Sens. Lee and Hatch.

It was a goofy bill from the start because (among other reasons) criminals don't submit themselves to "background checks".

If Sen. Reid can figure out a way to have criminals submit to "background checks" he should definitely bring the bill back for reconsideration.

Until then, STOP wasting time on laws that only penalize law-abiding citizens.

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

It seems patently clear that it is impossible to implement universal background checks without tracking every gun purchase. Likewise, how do you track gun purchases without tracking guns themselves, and consequently the people who buy them. Without universal gun registration, there is no way to discover non-compliance, and hence no way to enforce a universal background check law. In other words, if the government doesn't know where the guns are, how can they track sales transactions?

I, for one, am not comfortable with federal, state or local government knowing where all the guns are. As for those who told pollsters they supported universal background checks, I suspect they haven't thought this through very carefully, or they would not be willing to head down this road. As many have pointed out, if this had passed, it wouldn't work, and when it didn't work, the knee-jerk reaction would be to add the missing ingredient (registration) instead of repealing it.

The right approach to limiting our exposure to mass violence of any kind is to put (back) in place a means for early intervention and help for mental health issues in our schools and strengthening families.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

I agree with President Obama. This is a day of shame.

Innocents are being killed. Most of Americans want more background checks. Yet, the NRA holds power on our "representatives" (using the term loosely) and they do its bid.

How many more deaths we need before we stop this insanity?

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

so pathetic.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

The bill would have done nothing to stop the Newtown tragedy and wouldn't do anything to prevent criminals from getting guns.

We need to address mental illness and stop blaming guns for the bad judgment of individuals and the illegal behavior of criminals.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Any idiot can oppose something. But it takes thoughtful effort to propose a real solution to a serious problem.

Why have neither Lee nor Hatch put forth any suggestions or bills that might help solve America's gun violence epidemic?

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

They should be very proud of themselves! Hope they sleep well at night over it. I own guns, and have zero issue with a background check. And, yes, I have thought this through. And while this bill would not stop every criminal from getting a gun, it would certainly make it harder. But hey, even some demos folded on this one, which just tells me it's not about what's right or wrong, how they feel or don't feel, it's about keeping their job. That goes for all politicians, including the elderly career politician Hatch!!

Any User
Layton, UT

We don;t need gun control, we need crome control.
Our nation can determine if their was once life on Mars. Why can't we find ways to reduce crime?
Surely "think tanks" can find new and innovative solutions to stopping crime without throwing tons of more money at it and without linmiting constitutional rights.
President Obama has been using the intense emotional of Newtown victims to manipulate congress into passing gun control rather than using logic to stop criminals.

LogicInduced
Ogden, UT

It is one step in the right direction. However, the 2nd Ammendment guarantees my "right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." It doesn't limit my right to just have guns. I have the right, per the Constitution, to bear any arms, including grenades, rocket launchers, bazookas, even nukes. How are we going to defend ourselves if criminals and enemy militaries are much better armed than our free citizens? Sen. Lee said he had to protect our rights given in the Constitution, but the government has already infringed on my rights....or maybe they need to ammend the 2nd Ammendment...

wer
South Jordan, UT

Background checks sound like a good idea, except they won't prevent the bad guys from getting guns.

Kudos to both senators!

Brother Wolf
Salt Lake City, UT

These comments remind me why I moved away from Utah. And, yes, I was sure the door didn't hit me on my way out. Thanks.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

I don't own a gun, and certainly don't believe in violence. However, in a spirit of gratitude, I must thank Senator Lee and Hatch for standing up for liberty and the Constitution. It is disheartening to see so many people still looking to Washington to solve problems, including violence stemming from those who misuse our 2nd amendment rights. So, I will continue to advocate for living a life in such a way that all the problems will disappear without, particularly without, attracting a politician's ear, something that surely only causes more misery for those who think those ears are really listening for understanding.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I certainly hope Senators Hatch and Lee will likewise affirm the 1st Amendment by repealing federal laws against fraud, because everyone knows that people are going to lie anyway, and so it makes no sense to weaken our Constitution by making it illegal for good, hard working businessmen who might get carried away will selling a product and making false claims about a product or serive.

People can say whatever they want, it's up to the listener to determine what is true, for them.

For that matter, "Bribery" and "Corruption" are just extensions of free speech, and, as they say, money talks, so who are we to restrict the free speech of some inanimate object, like currency?

Reaffirm the Constitution! Let freedom ring!

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Kudos to Senators Lee and Hatch for voting to defend freedom, and to see through the untruthful claims about the supposed benefits of the background check bill and instead see the ultimate goal- a universal gun registration system that will be the foundation for gun confiscation.

And, for One Old Man, Senator Hatch was a co-sponosr of the Cruz-Grassley alternate bill which was the second amendment to be voted on, defeated by the DEMOCRATS. That would have effectively addressed mental health issues, school safety, and increased enforcement of existing laws, plus a smaller background check. But, it was NOT gun registration and therefore the Democrats refused to adopt this common sense proposal.

Be alert, the Obama team will never lat a crisis go to waste, and they will jump on any new horrific attack (other than by terrorists in Boston, or in Ben Gahzi) to resurrect their gun ban bill and try to ram it through in the middle of the night.

Ett
Salt Lake City, UT

As Senator Lee said, we need to look at dealing with violence and violent people. Stacking more gun control laws on the populace isn't the answer. I am pleased and a bit surprised that Senator Hatch stepped up, but I'm glad he did. I get so tired of the "I own a gun" types who claim to cherish that right, but are always seeking to curtail it. The second amendment isn't just about owning firearms. It's about keeping the ability to protect the other rights guaranteed us, from usurpation by the government. We need to focus on the causes of violence itself, not the method. We need to address the perpetrators of violence, not their tools of choice. To do any less, dooms our efforts to failure.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

They also voted against the amendment to increase penalties for gun trafficking...

Esquire
Springville, UT

It answered the question of who Hatch and Lee are serving, and it's not the people of Utah. And claiming that they rely on the Constitution is perverse.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Why have neither Lee nor Hatch put forth any suggestions or bills that might help solve America's gun violence?"

Probably because all necessary laws are already in place. And none of the deranged liberal "suggestions or bills" would add anything of significance to the effort.

Liberal gun-control proposals are not really about violence, anyway. They're about control of people and politics, not guns.

If liberals were actually serious about curbing violence, they'd get tough on enforcing existing laws, like Rudy Giuliani did in NYC. It reduced violent crime by 57%, murders by 65%.

Liberals know how to actually address violent crime. But they want festering political crises more than they want real solutions.

ECR
Burke, VA

It's good to know where your Senators stand on an issue. And Sentors Lee and Hatch have placed themselves clearly on the same side as the Adam Lanzas of the world. The parents and loved ones of the children gunned down in Newtown stood tearfully by and watched the United States Senate shamefully send a strong message that they will protect the freedoms of the future mass murderers rather than taking one small step forward to address this tragic phenomenon that seems to be uniquely American. The interesting thing is that while these two Sentors and their cohorts won this battle because of the strange Senate rules requiring 60 votes for passage, it still remains a fact that their vote was in the minority. So a minority of Senators, blinded by the propaganda of the NRA and the gun industry, can ensure that nothing will be done to address this tragic situation. Heaven help us.

Really???
Kearns, UT

This is absolutely ridiculous. "Criminals don't submit to background checks, so why should we attempt to make anyone else submit to one when purchasing a gun?" I guess the same should go for people applying for teaching jobs, law enforcement, or any other job where the public's safety is a concern. After all, the criminals find a way around those background checks.

Criminals don't care about shoplifting laws, so let's just get rid of them. There are enough people who don't pay attention to our speeding laws, our drinking and driving laws, and any other law established for the safety of us all, so let's just get rid of them.

Let's face the truth, people, this isn't about background checks for gun owners, this is about how polarized we are politically, and we are looking at sticking it to Obama any way we can. It's time we put politics aside and do what's best for our country. Any law-abiding citizen should not be concerned about stricter background requirements to be able to purchase a gun.

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