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Published: Monday, April 15 2013 1:35 p.m. MDT

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Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Striker:

"I once went into Red Mango and they were playing the BYU game and it was the only option for people to watch..."

We used to have a place back here in Philadelphia called "The Stadium Grille". It served the best burgers and ribs in town. It had 5 big screen TVs, and 13" mini TVs in every booth. It showed sports programming all day long, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. I used to watch all my big games there while noshing on ribs and pizza, until the owner decided to retire and close the sports restaurant. In the 4 yrs I used to go there, I only saw 4 cougar games on any of those screens. And every time they WERE shown, it was vs. their big brother on the Hill.

I never went there on any days were the cougars bowled, so it's conceivable there were more than just those 4 games, but you see my point. I guess unless patrons are being held hostage to the only game on TV, nobody cares about the cougs outside of Utah/Idaho.

Spider Rico
Greeley, CO

Uhhh...hello...that's why the Friday and Thursday games are cool for ratings. Now they will be the only game on so those types of places will put the game on the tv. People aren't going to say oh it's BYU let's not put the game on. If there is a college footall game to put on they will put it on because people love football. Get over yourself - we Cougars are happy to have the Indy ESPN deal period. You aren't going to convince us it is a bad thing. You aren't going to convince us the Yewts deal with the PAC is better. You aren't going to talk us over to the dark side. We have and always will bleed blue so stop kidding yourselves. Let us be happy for our Cougs and stop trying to convince us not to, it won't work!

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

"We used to have a place back here in Philadelphia called "The Stadium Grille". It served the best burgers and ribs in town. It had 5 big screen TVs, and 13" mini TVs in every booth. It showed sports programming all day long, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. I used to watch all my big games there while noshing on ribs and pizza, until the owner decided to retire and close the sports restaurant. In the 4 yrs I used to go there, I only saw 4 cougar games on any of those screens. And every time they WERE shown, it was vs. their big brother on the Hill."

Naval,

One question. Has this place been open since the Cougars went Indy and signed a deal with ESPN? As you know, before the ESPN deal BYU was hiding on an obscure network in the MWC which might explain why you wouldn't see them on ESPN very often before 2011.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

"Really? How many times do you need to be told this. This question had already been asked and answered. We're losing more games because we've been playing a substantially more challenging schedule. "

Relative to playing in the PAC, 2 years, Utah has been on a downhill slide since playing the same schedule. (8-5, 3-5-2011 5-7, 3-6-2012) I understand the drop from 2010 to 2011, but why are they continuing to slide? They should be improving. As for BYU, they should have improved from 2010 to 2011(easier schedule) and the drop from 2011 to 2012 can also be explained.(tougher schedule)

I actually think you may have uncovered something here. Genius.

Striker
Omaha, NE

" In the 4 yrs I used to go there, I only saw 4 cougar games on any of those screens. And every time they WERE shown, it was vs. their big brother on the Hill."

That's funny, because haven't BYU and u been in the same conference for decades? Wouldn't that mean they are on the same networks? Weren't many of those on the mtn for years? If you were in PA, how did you see so many games? The mtn isn't on the East coast. What 4 years? Those 4 years couldn't have included the last two, because BYU has been on ESPN at least 10 of their games each year, whereas u is always on the new, West coast PAC TV station. Please clarify, because your story makes ZERO sense.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

We had a tougher year this past season than in 2011 due to significantly more key-injuries and to the overall improvement of our conference, from top-to-bottom. No die-hard UTE was even remotely delusional about the fact we'd need to go through a period of transition in terms of developing the overall depth necessary to go through something byu has never, ever even remotely gone through and that's a legitimate week in, week out grind of a schedule. Their upcoming 2013 schedule is as close as they've ever been to it, yet it still falls far, far short of it.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

AZUTE,

Well then things look pretty bleak for Utah to make any improvements in the PAC. Their 2013 recruiting class is ranked 54th. I don't see them adding the depth they so desperately needed;) All joking aside, this is a very important year for Utah. they need to show well in the PAC this year to prove that below 500 is not going to continue be business as usual for the Utes in the PAC. I don't see that happening. It looks like a rough year is ahead as well as a loss to BYU.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

@ Cougars1

Par for the course. I certainly wouldn't expect anything different out of you. It's obvious Strength-of-Schedule will continue to elude byu fans everywhere. The fact is, UTAH has added significant speed to their roster, a key ingredient for success in our conference, and we've added depth at spots where we were previously devoid of it, such as OL and QB. To the dismay of the byu fanbase, we'll be just fine. But thanks for your concern. Much appreciated.

Regarding our game this upcoming season, not even deliberately placing a bye-week preceding it will save byu. This fact, alone, screams desperation. I can't tell you how hysterical it was to see all of the outrageous predictions of a byu blowout of UTAH last season made by byu fans preceding our game only to see the all too familiar result come to fruition. Face it, as UTAH is busy acclimating themselves to being a big boy, byu is searching both high and low for the next 2-Star recruit with which to fill their roster.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

AZUTE,

What part of my post had anything to do with strength of schedule? I agree that Utah is trying to adjust to the PAC. I am only contending that Utah is going to have to have a better than 500 year this year to prove that they are adjusting. Do you think Utah is the only PAC team recruiting speed? They all are. In fact they all are recruiting speed and SIZE. Take a good look at the recruiting classes the last couple of years of other PAC schools. Utah has a long way to go.

As for the predictions of BYU blowing out Utah last year; none of the BYU fans I know were making such predictions. In fact most of us were just hoping that BYU would keep it close. Which they did. In fact, speaking of key injuries, from what I saw of the game, if BYU has a healthy qb in the game, it's a win.

Lightening Lad
Austin , TX

Look at the numbers, BYU's ESPN paycheck for each game is up to twice the payout of most minor bowls, while being the only significant game being televised.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

"In fact, speaking of key injuries, from what I saw of the game, if BYU has a healthy qb in the game, it's a win."

"If" is the BYU fan's favorite word. Followed by "could have," "should have," and "would have."

Stop speculating and making excuses and accept that BYU lost the game and has lost 8 of the last 11 games.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Naval,

I must be bored. I did some research. The Stadium Grille closed both locations on Sept.13, 2011. So the only game you got to see were Ol Miss and Texas. You would have missed Utah as it was on the 17th.

You really lose credibility when you say nobody outside of Utah/Idaho cares about BYU. That's just not true and you know it.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

DevlishUte,

I have and had accepted it. You can thank AZUTE for giving me that excuse as it was his excuse in the first place as to why Utah has been so pathetic in the PAC. Hence my wording "speaking of key injuries".

Cougar Passion
Salt Lake City, UT

Cougars1: And it's the height of irony to say that nobody cares about BYU outside of Utah/Idaho, but he identifies himself as being from Philly. A person that doesn't care about a sports program, one way or another, simply and unequivocally does not bother with that program in any fashion, just as I, who do not care about the Utes, have never posted anything on an article regarding them.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Cougar Passion,

It's not surprising though. What is really humorous also is the double standard of devlisute. It's ok for Utah to use key injuries as an excuse for losing, but Cougar fans have to shut-up and own it when their team loses. No excuses.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Seasons heading south?

Okay here's the research...

Over the last two years Utah played 20 BCS teams. BYU played 9.

Utah's winning percentage against its BCS opponents was higher than BYUs record against its BCS opponents... look it up.

As Utah gears up to be more competitive against BCS opposition it recruiting results are on the upswing.

As BYU prepares for a higher level of indy competition its last 3 recruiting classes are the worst in a decade.

One down recruiting year is a concern.
Two down years is a crisis.
Three down years is a disaster.
Four down recruiting years is a program killer.

Tom Holmoe is well aware of the danger that three bad recruiting years pose for BYU.

That's why he cleaned house. Cleaning house is what desperate managers do when faced with a disaster that they don't know how to fix. It usually doesn't help solve the problem, but it distracts attention from the disaster.

Now what was that comment about heading south?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Striker:

"Weren't many of those on the mtn for years? If you were in PA, how did you see so many games? The mtn isn't on the East coast."

Yes, they were during our MWC years (2007-2010), but you are mistaken about "the Mtn." not being on the East coast. Furthermore, MWC teams didn't play solely on "the Mtn." MWC teams had also played on Versus, FOX Sports, and CBSSports. Addtionally, MWC teams played on ABC/ESPN and NBC via their opponents network deals. I saw PLENTY of Utah games here in Philadelphia.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougars1:

"The Stadium Grille closed both locations on Sept.13, 2011. So the only game you got to see were Ol Miss and Texas. You would have missed Utah as it was on the 17th."

Yeah, I know when it closed. What's your point? There's no loss of credibility on my part, but there appears to be one on yours. The Ole Miss and Texas games were not on the big screens. You guys always seem forget that just because a game in on ESPN, that doesn't mean people are watching. There were better games.

WON84
PLANO, TX

Cougars1 - The numbers backup what Howard is saying. BYU's last two recruiting classes have been two of the worst they've had that I can recall. I don't know that Independence is the reason for this but, it's not crazy to suggest the exposure really hasn't helped recruiting.

Naval - Why are you here? Is it because almost no one posts on articles about Utah?

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

@my two dad's..."I'm more curious why the U has had better recruiting classes, and more kids go to the NFL, and yet their seasons have been heading south faster than the Canadian Snow Birds."

If you truly know the game of football and have common knowledge of college football. You would know the answer to your question is that Utah plays a much more difficult schedule and deals with the week in week out grind of playing top level PAC12 talent. The Y on the other hand pads their W's and getting to kraft mac and cheese bowl based off beating bad teams. When Bronco is faced with playing bad teams he is a great coach, when faced with playing a good team he is exposed for exactly how good of a coach he is. I'll let you answer that on your own.

At cougie 1 really stop making excuses suck it up and admit Utah owns the cougies has for a very long time now and definitley owns them all time. Out of their entire history the Y was the better team/program from about 78 - 93.

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