Spending cuts should start with the military.The US spends more than the
next 26 nations combined, 25 of whom are considered allies to the US.As
soon as you mention cutting military spending to a republican politician, they
suddenly aren't so keen on spending cuts.
@ nrajrFirst of all, it is the Democratic Party, not the Democrat
party. You claim that left leaners never have anything substanitivne or
constructive to add, but then you go on to add nothing substantive or
constructive. As to your vague statement regarding closures, what is going to be
closed? How will be it be closed? When will it be closed? Please enlighten us.
The tea party demands cuts and more cuts. Hill AFB is just the start. Be careful
what you scream about.
Some of you who are left leaning and regularly comment on the the political
conflicts between the GOP and the Democrat Party seem to always make jabs and
jeers but never have anything substantive or constructive to add the
conversation. Occasionally, I see uninformed comments from the right as well.
In this particular case, concerning the sequester, neither the right or the left
wanted to see it happen (speaking collectively about the parties, not about
individual persons). The Democrats didn't want their failed and
unsustainable entitlement programs touched. The GOP didn't want their
equally unsustainable massive "defense" (which has really become
offense) spending cut. Obama and Pelosi believe that we don't have a
spending problem, but a revenue problem. Every debt ridden person, company,
city, and state can make the same claim. The US borrows almost 50 cents of every
dollar spent and has operated the last 4 years without a budget. If spending is
not cut more drastically, and more revenue raised to get the debt under control,
much more than Hill AFB will be closing. To think that the US is "too big to
fail" is arrogant foolishness.
There have been five rounds of BRAC now, three in Republican administrations and
2 in Democratic administrations and there is no evidence of political bias in
any of the five.On 12 July 2012, all three Air Logistics Centers
(Ogden, Oklahoma City, and Warner-Robbins) were reorganized, with each center HQ
and the maintenance wing in the center being merged into an Air Logistics
Complex. On the same day, a new Air Force Sustainment Center, one of five Air
Force Material Command centers, stood up to manage the three complexes. AFSC is
at Tinker AFB. This was part of a larger Material Command restructuring.Each of the Air Logistics Complex specializes in its depot level support
for different kinds of aircraft and missiles. It would be hard for any of these
three to have its functions merged into the other two. The three are less in
competition with each other than they were before.
Every 4 years, some big politician in Utah brings up the possibility that HAFB
could be closed. Yet, we don't do a darn thing to roll out the welcome mat
to the airmen who are stationed here. Here are some ideas.1. Run
the Front Runner on Sunday, at least between Clearfield and Salt Lake. Let
those with a valid active duty ID ride UTA for free.2. Exempt the
communities around the base from the "Zion Curtain" law.3. Allow
active duty airmen to break leases once they get on-base housing.4. Not
just active duty, but families of active duty military members should get
resident tuition rates.5. Ask businesses around town to give discounts to
those on active-duty.Remember that the airmen and junior officers of
today's Air Force are the leaders of tomorrow. A warm and friendly
impression given today will help keep the base open.
@Most TruthfulBut why would Utahns elect people with military
experience? They're all Democrats! Tell me truthfully, Utahns:
how many of you automatically vote (R), rather than learning about who you are
voting for?Did you know that now-Senator Lee couldn't even
afford his own McManion's big mortgage, so let his home be foreclosed
upon.He wasn't poor; he just didn't want to pay for it!
BUT...you elected him as some paragon of virtue. He's a big TAKER.Hatch? He's from Pennsylvania, and will be almost 90 when this
term expires in 6 years.What about Bishop? What has he really
done?Or Chaffetz, doing anything to get his face on TV or going on
"fact-finding trips"?Christensen, the new guy? Climate
denier who got appointed to the House climate committee. He's not
going to stand up to the big oil interests, like Chevron spilling oil all over
Utah.Matheson, the sole Democrat who barely defeated a subdivision
mayor, with a degree in "performing arts" who also hadn't paid off
her student loans yet.Those who hate government, should never be in
charge of it.
It's funnier than heck watching the conservatives squirm now that they are
getting their wish to cut government spending.Tragic for those who
will lose jobs and homes and who know what else. But conservatives don't
mind that. Just call them lazy and be done with it.But when one of
them is from a conservative's family or circle of friends . . . . well . .
If Hill is closed, we have four old white men to thank... 1- Representative Rob
Bishop 2- Senator Lee, Senator Hatch and Representative Chaffetz.. Their fear
of ending their "political careers" because of our minority political
system over the good of the majority of the citizenry will ultimately be
costly.Congratulations to the Tea Party. You may just win this
I wonder how much the State of Utah has spent on "message bills" to the
Federal Government. Now perhaps the Federal Government will return a
"message bill" to Utah?
Hill AFB had two competors: Tinker and Robbins (both in red states).They had equal power, until late 2011 - when Ogden ALC was demoted to a
"complex" under the AF Sustainment Center at Tinker, now led by a
three-star general. Hill? A one-star. Democrat Peter Cooke
spelled it out in his campaign:Oklahoma County passed a $55 million
bond [to purchase a closed GM factory in 2008]. They did this to put themselves
in the best possible position to score more military jobs and an AF expansion at
Tinker, and to protect against BRAC in 2015. It amounted to a tax increase of
$.068 on the average $100,000 home.There was no guarantee that the AF
would expand there. They simply knew the value of military jobs and were willing
to take a risk to save such jobs.The AF agreed to invest 50-100 million at
Tinker over 5 years. The AF also signed a 50-year lease at Tinker. They were
proactive and insulated their base from BRAC by making it indispensable to the
Air Force mission.Meanwhile, Utah puts its eggs in message bills,
limits personal freedom and watches other states invest.
Didn't the DN publish an editorial that sequester impact was a big lie,
that there was little to no impact? Something about canceling White House
tours being a political stunt? Then we have;"Tage Flint,
chairman of the Utah Defense Alliance, a nonprofit organization that advocates
for HAFB, said the 17,000 civilian workers at the base are still waiting to hear
the details of coming furloughs and other impacts of the recent budget cuts.Those cuts have already grounded at least one squadron at HAFB and are
likely to slow the base's mission of readying aircraft and missiles, Flint
said, reducing the readiness of the U.S. Air Force."So sequester
will impact... I understand DN's running stories they think
readers wants to hear... of course most conservative think the budget can be
cut without impact to the home state. But honest debate about the budget would
acknowledge that both Red and Blue states will be impacted. In the 2005 BRAC -
Georgia (red state) lost bases to NC (then a red state)... during a blue
administration.Lets keep partisanship out of the military. If Utah
looses, it will be size, not color that hurt it.
Wait.I don't get it.Rob Bishop for years has been
talking nonstop about he need for the federal government to make cuts. Now that
it looks like cuts might be made, he complains!? Why is that Robbie? Oh, because
they might effect those in your district? So in other words, you want cuts, but
just cuts to those in other districts. Wow.How patriotic
is that? Nice job Robbie!For me, I think this is GREAT news. I hope
and pray that they shut the entire base down! Just close it already! We here in
tab preach selflisness and patriotism. We demand fiscal responsibility. Now here
if our opportunity! Lets take one for the team! Lets be a light unto the
nation!Finally, it is time for those on government hill Air Force
base welfare to get off of it. Time to cut the fat!!! I know I know, it may
sting a lil but in the long term we shall be all better off. Time to find jobs
in the private sector. Go back to school if you must! Time to adapt. Here in
Utah we love free market solutions.
Pay backs are brutal! If it happens we can thank the likes of Lee, Hatch and
Chaffetz! previous poster "Iron Rod" says it best " You can't
poke your finger in the hive and not expect to be stung."
Tax money to Hill Air Force Base, and those citizens in need of benefits.Wouldn't it be great if our tax money went to the military, and
provide jobs for those needing the benefits. Shooting two birds with one shot?
Hardman astutely understands Utah's liability having put all its eggs in
one basket, and making it worse by sending uncompromising extremists to
Washington, leaving us with a very weak delegation to advocate our interests.
You reap what you sow. But that won't stop Utah Republicans from their own
hypocrisy, calling for reduced government spending as long as it doesn't
Cut Spending.But not spending that helps me or my state or my
region.Hill AFB is the largest employer in Utah? How
many of the "smaller government" crowd will be OK with closing H AFB if
it is not deemed to be necessary?
Perhaps it would be wise for our Senator Lee and Hatch to tone down the constant
criticism of the Obama administration and its policies. I read recently that
the Central Utah Project will be funded about ten percent of what it was funded
previoulsy. If Hill Airforce Base is reduced or eliminated I feel it will be a
direct result of their behavior. You cann't poke your finger in the hive
and not expect to be stung.