Who am I sir?Cottonwood Heights, UTThis works out well
for a couple of reasons. For one, SOS is going to play a larger role in the
upcoming playoff therefore playing BYU (a probable 8-10 win team) is far better
than a filler regardless of whether or not you "like" them. BYU gets three games, one at home, one on the road, and one that really is
neutral. The Cards stadium is not walking distance from the Arizona campus and
there are a lot of BYU fans in the area. So, getting three games against a
non-WAC opponent without two of them being true road games is good.And I assure you the Cougar athletic director doesn't boast about
anything related to scheduling Utah. There are midmajors in major conferences
and no one boasts about scheduling them (WSU, Utah, Duke, Wake Forest, etc.).
Unfortunately, the biggest questions regarding these games isn't where the
game is played but what reffs will officiate. Even the Hack12 reffs knows how
bad their officials are!
@WacPaddingEvery time BYU has a National ESPN game, their
camera's pan through the Legacy Hall of BYU.Showing their Heisman,
Outlands and Waterford Crystal Coaches Trophy.They always mention
Quarterback U's Pedigree. From Carter to Hall.Indeed, a College
Team's History and Legacy is defined by their cumulative
accomplishments.U fans denegrate BYU's Legacy and History because
they have none of their own to speak of.BYU has "Generational
Legacy" and an actual Brand and Utah does not.
backpacnSandy, UTHowieUtah fans continue to cluelessly
believe that being invited to a "big boy" conference validates
Utah's football program. Unfortunately for U, nothing could be further from
the truth. There are lots of lousy and mediocre football programs in big boy
conferences.On the other hand, all of that "BYU glory" has
given BYU a CONSENSUS National Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, SIX
National College Football Hall of Fame players, and FIFTEEN National Individual
Award winners - accomplishments on a national level that are completely foreign
to that jealous little program on the hill.____________I
can always count on wishful BYU fans to bring up useless accomplishments.
Because no other media outlet even brings up this stuff on a daily basis.
truecoug1,Exactly. Still can't figure out why the dnews
wouldn't post my comment from last night that said as much.Something else to consider is that BYU has such a small recruiting pool that
it fluctuates from year to year in talent. These aren't the Crowton years
where they didn't care if a kid could live by the honor code. That is a
focal point in the recruiting process right up until signing and beyond.We shouldn't worry about Howie. He not only can't get his
facts straight, he loves to change his position midstream.
@Howard S. continuedThere have been several other players who cited
ESPN, or watching BYU on ESPN, as at least part of the reason they committed to
BYU (Trent Trammel, Jamaal Williams, Trajan Pili, etc(.So it's
obviously helped BYU in their recruiting.Recruiting smack is weak
smack. Recruiting is completely subjective, and varies from database to
database. For example, BYU's "pathetic" recruiting classes over
the last 3 years have resulted in a steady increase in BYU's final Sagarin
rankings from 2010-2012. It's interesting to note that Utah has had three
of their best recruiting classes over the last three years, and yet they have
steadily declined in their overall record and their Sagarin rankings over the
course of those three years.But in conclusion, your statements that
BYU's last three recruiting classes have been "the worst in a
decade", or the "worst since 2002" are completely false. They are
actually right in the middle, or slightly above average, of where they've
been over the last decade.So please stop trying to stir the pot,
since U clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
@Howard S.Wow, I think U have 20 comments on a BYU article. Thank U
for your support!As for the recruiting discussion, I would like to
point out a few inaccuracies of your 'claims'. First, BYU's
recruiting classes haven't been "pathetic" with ESPN. By
BYU's standards, they've been average, or slightly above average.
According to Rivals (the Utes' favorite recruiting service), BYU has had a
top 50 recruiting class 3 times since 2002 (2002, 2009, 2010). That means that
out of the last 12 recruiting classes, 9 of them have been below 50 and 8 of
them have been 60 or below. If you average out BYU's class ranking since
2002, it comes out to around 68. That's who BYU is. They have
a smaller recruiting pool to draw from because of the higher academic standards
and the honor code that all students who attend BYU have to adhere to. And they
do just fine with the kids they get.Second, ESPN has helped BYU in
recruiting. Fred Warner, a 3* LB, recently committed to BYU because of watching
KVN on ESPN. Brayden Kearsley mentioned ESPN as a reason why he committed to
RE: Clark Griswold"Utah's most important goal now is
winning the Pac-12 title and going to the Rose Bowl."While that
may be true for U of U players, we know that is nowhere near the truth for those
who claim to be Utah fans. Would you like to see any evidence of this? Try
comparing how many comments are made by "Ute fans" on Utah articles and
compare that to how often those same "fans" are posting on BYU articles.
If this doesn't convince you try reading their posts. Utah "fans"
will beat their chests about how superior they believe they are to BYU and never
mention their superiority to conference powerhouses that they may also beat
occasionally like Colorado. It's no secret that your "most important
goal" has always been and will continue to be the one game you play each
year against the non-bcs BYU Cougars.
Cougars1Bluffdale, UT,"False knowledge is a wonderful
thing."Care to point out my inaccuracies about the pathetic
rankings of the three recruiting classes that followed BYU's
@football43Morgan, UT"You know way too much about
BYU's recruiting classes."I know the last three years have
been pathetic.I also know that top recruits in the 2010 class are
now gone... So what was good class is now a pathetic class also.
football43,False knowledge is a wonderful thing.
Howard,You know way too much about BYU's recruiting classes.
Cougars1"Now, my claim is that winning big games against ranked
teams on ESPN helps recruiting. Is that the only thing that affects recruiting?
No. I never made that claim."Here is truth... Since announcing
independence and its ESPN contract in August of 2010 BYU has signed three
recruiting classes. Each of those classes was ranked in the 60s. Those are the worst ranked recruiting classes for BYU since 2002.If recruits were really attracted by BYUs schedule and ESPN, why have the last
three recruiting classes been so dismal?My guess (as supported by
the evidence) is that top recruits don't care about playing an independent
BYU schedule even if it is on ESPN.Do you have any other reasons
that explain BYU's three dismal recruiting classes?Now, you may
say that BYU hasn't won big games on ESPN. To which I would
reply, First, you can only speculate that recruiting would benefit by big wins
on ESPN. And second, even if it were true that big wins would
benefit BYU recruiting, three dismal recruiting classes make less likely that
BYU could get a big win.Now, how is it that independence and ESPN
@ MUSSingwithU"Beating BYU is still the most important goal for
the kids on the hill"Utah's most important goal now is
winning the Pac-12 title and going to the Rose Bowl. Utah is BYU's most
important goal for two reasons. 1) BYU can't beat us! 2) BYU has nothing to
play for as an independent. @ Cougar1The current BCS
format will allow non-aq teams to automatically qualify for a BCS bid if
they're undefeated and ranked in the top 12 or they can qualify for an
at-large bid if they're ranked in the top 16 and ranked higher than a BCS
conference champion. BYU has failed to meet either requirement in the current
BCS format. Now the new playoff system is coming and the rules have
changed. Top 4 ranked teams go to the final four (long shot for BYU). But the
BCS bowls will select their conference partners or second place teams. Notre
Dame formed a partnership with the Orange Bowl. The new BCS bowls don't
have to invite BYU. They'll select teams from other conferences whom they
have contracts with. BYU has no contracts with any of the bowls. They'll be
@ MUSSingwithU "Unlike our little brothers on the hill, BYU
plays for Top 25 finishes, 10+ win seasons"blah blah blah! Teams
from the MAC can do that too. Even Northern Illinois can crash the BCS with a
one loss regular season. Why can't BYU do that? hmmm.......I
guess BYU's top 25 finishes and 10+ win seasons only get them to Vegas or
the Helicopter Bowl and not the BCS on the national stage with a real national
audience. Utah has done it twice, Boise State has done it twice, TCU has done it
twice, Hawaii once, and Northern Illinois once. Still waiting on BYU to join
us!"Playing big name teams in nationally televised games in
historic venues throughout the country is just an added bonus when you play for
a program with a national fan base"Then explain to me how Utah
games always have higher TV ratings than BYU games? So much for that national
fan base of yours.
Howie,Not quite sure what your angle is since you seem to change
mid-stream. You are saying that playing a weak schedule in the MWC on an obscure
network is better than playing the 2013 schedule with 10 or more of those games
on ESPN? Sorry, Griswold makes a good point about playing for a conference
championship, but even then, recruits would rather play a schedule like 2013 on
ESPN. I know this because I see recruits every Saturday and I actually ask them.
As for the claim that BYU can never play in a BCS game; well that is bunk and
you know it. If BYU goes undefeated or is ranked high enough with one loss, they
play in a BCS game. I love how fabricating a notion that fits your opinion is
suddenly spun as truth when it is nothing more than a half truth. Now, my claim is that winning big games against ranked teams on ESPN helps
recruiting. Is that the only thing that affects recruiting? No. I never made
Clark W. Griswold"BYU has nothing to play for as an
independent."Laughing out loud at your delusional spin.Unlike our little brothers on the hill, BYU plays for Top 25 finishes, 10+ win
seasons, big wins over elite programs like Oklahoma, Texas, and Notre Dame, and,
soon, a shot at a spot in the national championship playoff.Playing
big name teams in nationally televised games in historic venues throughout the
country is just an added bonus when you play for a program with a national fan
base.It's no wonder our little friends on the hill with their
small little regional fan base are incapable of appreciating a true national
perspective of college football.Beating BYU is still the most
important goal for the kids on the hill.
Howard S.Good comment, let me add this:BYU's
recruiting class has declined so significantly over the last two years is
because of independence. Recruits will look at BYU and ask themselves "if i
were to play at BYU, what do we have to play for?" BYU has nothing to play
for as an independent. Think about it! BYU has no conference championship to
play for, no BCS bowls (including the new system), no national championships,
ect. Only Notre Dame can pull of independence because of who they are. Notre
Dame has a partnership with the Orange Bowl when the new playoff system. BYU has
no such contract with any BCS bowls. Notre Dame plays for National Championships
when they go undefeated, BYU will be pushed aside like any other non-aq team
that goes undefeated. If BYU wants to attract better recruiting classes they
need to rejoin the MWC because the new rule is the highest ranked "non-aq
conference champion" (independents are excluded) will go to the Fiesta Bowl.
BYU can beef up their schedule all they want, but the fact remains
they're still a non-aq team and will be treated as one.
howardHumiliating isn't losing a couple of games on the last
play of the game on the home turf of your bitter rival, humiliating is watching
your bitter rival finishing in the Top 25 and winning bowl games while
you're not good enough to do either.
HowieHow humiliating it must be to be in a big boy conference and
beat the Cougars and still be left home watching BYU beat SDSU in a bowl game
while the Utes are spending the holidays as couch potatoes.Someday,
our little friends on the hill will wake up and realize that one game does not a
Meanwhile, no one is commenting on any of the Utah Ute articles, because no one
cares about the utes
Y's little brotherSandy, UTHow humiliating is it to be
3-8 against a team that hasn't been able to beat a PAC team with a winning
@Cougars1"Exposure only helps if you win, otherwise it will hurt
you."Okay... let examine the wisdom of Mr.Cougars1.From 2006 to 2010 BYU appeared on ESPN 10 times with a winning percentage of
60%.In the recruiting years following those seasons from 2007 to
2011 BYUs average recruiting ranking was 46th.In the 2011 and 2012
seasons BYU appeared on ESPN 20 times with a winning 70%. In the
2012 and 2013 recruiting classes following those 20 appearances and winning 70%
BYUs recruiting ranking averaged 62nd.Exposure and winning up in
2011 and 2012 right?Mr.Cougars1 believes that when exposure and
winning go up recruiting results go up.But, noooo... Actually when
BYU exposure and winning go up, BYU's recruiting rankings fall to the worst
levels in a decade.So the question remains... how does BYU benefit
from ESPN exposure?
Y's little bro,And that is the bottom line. Ranking recruits is
so overrated and unreliable. Bill Walsh didn't evaluate talent with just 40
times. The most important time for his evaluations was from 30 to 60 yards.
HowieIt's gotta be soooo depressing for the kids on the hill to
be signing such amazing recruiting classes, and yet U still haven't been
able to beat a single PAC 10.2 team with a winning record, let alone finish
ahead of BYU in the final rankings.2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) >
UNRANKED/#39 Utah(8-5)2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner >
unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no showUtah fans live in this fantasy
world where much less reliable recruiting rankings of thousands of recruits
trump actual results and much more reliable season rankings of 120 teams.Quite obviously, it's waaaay to soon to make any kind of accurate
evaluation of the dividends in better recruiting caused by BYU's frequent
appearances on ESPN.
Howard,Nice way to change positions. It didn't help because the
game was played 2 years prior to the class, THEN, it didn't help because
the game happened too close to the signing date. Say goodbye to what was left of
your credibility. As for the 2012 and 2013 classes. Remember when I
said that the only way the exposure helps is if you win. Going 1-4 against
ranked opponents those two years definitely hurt. Exposure only helps if you
win, otherwise it will hurt you.
"But alas, those aging accomplishments mean nothing to the big boys of
college football... and so BYU finds itself on the outside looking in and
settling for N/H/H schedules with the big boys."Howard,Who said anything about settling. I love how Utah "fans" love to make
up imaginary things. Please provide us all with a quote from either BYU or
Arizona that Arizona demanded a game on a neutral field. Maybe it was a request
of BYU. After all it gives BYU a schedule with 8 games either at home or at a
neutral site for the year and 4 games on opponents fields. That sound pretty
beneficial to BYU, especially since the game in Phoenix will probably have as
many BYU fans attending as Arizona fans.
Courgars1Okay... good catch... you got me on the timing from the OK
game to the signing the top 25 class in Feb. 2010.But lets look at
that timing a little closer...Of the 27 signees in the 2010 class
all but 4 had committed before the OK game on ESPN. Everett, Quezada, Ho Ching,
and Hannemann committed after the game. So you can't claim that beating OK
on ESPN helped BYU sign that class.The first class after the BYU
ESPN win over OK was in Feb. 2011 when BYU signed the 66th ranked class. With independence beginning in 2011 BYU began playing more games on
ESPN. Yet, despite all the BYU winning on ESPN, in Feb. 2012 BYU signed the
60th ranked class. In Feb 2013 BYU signed the 63rd ranked class.Seems to me that since BYU began playing more games on ESPN, recruiting has
gone south.So if winning on ESPN hasn't helped BYU recruiting,
the question remains... How does ESPN help BYU?Hmmmmm?
Congrats to Tom Holmoe for continuing to upgrade the schedule. Neutral site
games in NFL stadiums are great recruiting tools and provide some interesting
variety to the schedule. Moreover, with the BCS bowls losing
relevance with the advent of the playoff system, the games become a great
showcase for an Independant team looking to get into what, undoubtedly, will
shortly become more than a four team field.What will be telling will
be how large the field becomes. I think the most likely number is 12, with the
top 4 having byes in the first round. At any number above 8, teams can't
afford to schedule soft non-conference games because wins in high profile games
at neutral sites will be the calling card of teams looking to boost their
ranking and SOS to get into the playoff. Time will tell whether BYU
can win enough of those games to get into the playoff, but it's at least as
likely a road to the playoff as trying to win a major conference title, with the
additional benefit of providing a national schedule against a variety of quality
"What good are ESPN audiences if they don't even get you a sniff from a
BCS conference, or a BCS bowl game, or even a respectable recruiting class.hmmmmmm?"Howard,By the way, that was your
original question. I only answered the last part of it. As for no invite from a
BCS conference. Speculation. Who knows, but I will admit that a lack of success
like Utah's in recent years certainly has to play into that. But it most
definitely has nothing to do with ESPN. As for the BCS bowl game, even you
should be smart enough to figure out that no matter how much exposure you get
from ESPN, ABC, NBC, Or FOX, if you don't win, you don't go. Which
goes back to my original point. The exposure is there to benefit from, but you
still have to do your part and win.
Howard S.If Utah is so relevant, why have the Utes only been able to
schedule ONE big name, elite OOC opponent to come to RES - Michigan - in their
entire history?BYU has been scheduling teams like Texas, Notre Dame,
Florida State, Miami, Penn State, and USC to play in LES for decades?BYU wasn't snubbed by every "big boy" conference; the Cougars
were snubbed by the PAC 12 for the same reason Baylor was, because of religious
bigotry, and the Cougars supposedly weren't invited to the Big 12 because
of BYU's no Sunday play policy. BYU turned down the Big East, while the Big
East was still considered a power BCS conference. The Big Ten, SEC, and ACC were
never in play.The Utes were snubbed by EVERY power conference east
of the Rockies, not because of religious bigotry, but because their athletic
programs are so mediocre.
Howard,You are not only unreasonable, you can't even get your
facts straight. BYU played Oklahoma in Arlington to start the 2009 season. They
followed up the 2009 season by signing a top 25 recruiting class in Feb. of
2010. The game was on ESPN. How the class turns out or contributes, or when they
start to contribute has nothing to do with whether BYU beat Oklahoma on ESPN.
Not quite sure how you got there on that one. Kids go on missions at BYU. Sorry
if that doesn't fit into your method of reasoning. Also, the exposure from
that game has nothing to do with how any recruiting class will turn out. That
wasn't your original question anyway.
Utes-Best Lil BrothersAnaheim, CAIf all those BYU
accomplishments were so meaningful why has BYU been snubbed by every power
conference in the county and why to they have to settle for N/H/H schedules with
big boy teams?If BYU is so relevant why can't they schedule
straight up home and home games with the big boys.Hmmmmm?
Gotta luv the frantic and emotional attempt to rewrite history by the kids on
the hill.The reality is, Bronco has finished with a winning record
and has played in a bowl game every season during his tenure as BYU's head
coach.Unfortunately, Kyle can't claim the same
accomplishment.Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team.Kyle
has lost to TWO 10-loss teams.Bronco has finished in the Top 25 FIVE
times; Kyle only three.Bronco has finished in the Top 15 THREE times; Kyle
only once.Despite his perfect storm season in 2008, Kyle has fallen
short of Bronco in overall accomplishments.
talkinsportsGilbert, AZ"If the replay booth officials had
blown the fumble call in the BYU-Utah game that same year, BYU would have beaten
the Utes in 2010."There is NO video evidence that shows
Howard's knee down WITH possession of the ball... NONE.The call
by the officials was the correct call.But even if the the call was
incorrect all BYU had to do was execute on a simple field goal attempt... which
they failed to do.And so Utah rightfully won the game.
@Cougars1You said the OK win on ESPN helped BYU land a top 25
recruiting class. Well actually it was two recruiting classes later so I'm
not sure you can connect the two... but whatever.Out of that class
at least four of the top players are gone, Heaps, Stout, Ho Ching, and Quezada.
Apo is now second team behind a walkon. Kaufusi is the only contributor from
that class that you explained was the benefit of ESPN coverage. Aside from that, now you say it’s too early to tell how that class will
be because they are on missions.Well, if four of the top members of
that class are gone, one as Junior is second team behind a walkon, only one has
contributed, and it’s too early to tell on the others... how can you hold
that class up as a benefit of ESPN coverage? As a class they haven't
contributed.BYU has been snubbed by every BCS conference and they
have to settle for neutral site games to play big league teams. You’ve
said yourself the top 25 class is unproven. So the question
remains… How has ESPN coverage helped BYU?
@ talkinsports"If the replay booth officials had blown the
fumble call in the BYU-Utah game that same year, BYU would have beaten the Utes
in 2010"The fumble that occurred in the Utah-BYU 2010 game was
not undisputed and that's why the call was not overturned. Both teams can
argue that call because it was so close. Because of that, the play must stand as
called on the field. So the refs got it right! The BYU-SDSU fumble was flat out
an obvious blown call! Speaking of the fumble in the 2010 rivalry
game. BYU had a whole 4th quarter after the fumble to win the game. The cougies
failed and fired Anae after the game. So you can't use that fumble as an
excuse for that loss. BYU had their chances to win and failed! "Unfortunately, U have no such excuses for losing to the Aggies last
season or the 3-10 Buffs the year before"You're right! We
have no excuses for losing to those teams. Both Colorado and Utah State showed
up and played inspired football to beat us. So I give them credit for their
Howard,You asked how scheduling the high exposure ESPN games have
helped recruiting to which I gave you an explanation. Now you want to know
why(as you say)no one from that class has contributed? For the record 2 have.
Bronson Kaufusi and Ross Apo. The rest we will have to see. This year is the
first year that a lot of them get back from missions. As for Zac and Jake. Well,
that is something for Ute fans to keep in mind as they brag about what great
players they are recruiting. Nothing ever turns out as planned. I guess I
figured you would be smart enough to figure that out.You didn't
ask how a recruiting class would turn out because of ESPN exposure. You asked
how the ESPN exposure would help recruiting. Nice to see you brushed up on your
talkinsportsGilbert, AZUte decline since 2008?Yet
since 2008 Utah is 3-1 against BYU.Not a very good record against a
team in decline... hmmmmm?
bleed crimson"It's funny how BYU fans claim how weak the
Pac-12 is every year... blah, blah"LOL at how our little friends
on the hill just make stuff up; BYU fans don't claim that the PAC 12 is
weak every year, just that a certain team on the hill is weak every year -
losing to 10-loss teams, finishing with losing records, and not even qualifying
for a bowl is proof of that.There's no denying it; the Utes
have been in steady decline since 2008.
backpacnSandy, UTIf a CONSENSUS NC, a Heisman Trophy, SIX Hall
of Fame players, and FIFTEEN Individual Award winners had any significance at
all in the modern era of college football BYU wouldn't have been snubbed by
every power conference in the country and they would be able to schedule
straight up home and home schedules with big boy teams.But alas,
those aging accomplishments mean nothing to the big boys of college football...
and so BYU finds itself on the outside looking in and settling for N/H/H
schedules with the big boys.
navelvet"THAT team only made it to a 3rd-tier bowl game because
they packed their alumni in the Replay Booth vs. a Home game with San Diego
St."Jealous Utah fan revisionist history. The head replay booth
official who made the call in the BYU-SDSU game had absolutely NO connection to
BYU. If the replay booth officials had blown the fumble call in the BYU-Utah
game that same year, BYU would have beaten the Utes in 2010.Unfortunately, U have no such excuses for losing to the Aggies last season or
the 3-10 Buffs the year before.
Arizona is a great addition to BYU's schedule, can't argue that! It's funny how BYU fans claim how weak the Pac-12 is every year and
here they are scheduling our conference brothers to beef up their schedule. Oh
the jealousy from our little brothers down south wishing they're apart of
the Conference of Champions. The question still remains: What does
BYU have to play for as an independent? Certainly not BCS bowls or National
Championships (unless your Notre Dame). BYU's so called "legacy
program" will not get them the Notre Dame treatment when it comes to the
post season bowl games. BYU can only play for their 3rd rate bowl game they have
contracts with. The cougies should've stayed in the MWC where
the highest rated non-aq conference champion is guaranteed a berth in the Fiesta
Bowl. An independent BYU team has no special arrangements like that unless
they're Notre Dame (which they're not). Too bad!
Snack WAC:"Remind us again which team couldn't even the
only WAC cupcake on their schedule to qualify for a third tier bowl last
season."I can't recall when that was. Must've been a
long time ago. In fact, the only WAC teams I can recall off the top of my head
who'd beat the Utes, were nationally RANKED ones; not cupcakes.On the OTHER hand, I DO recall a certain mid-majorey little brother that got
HOUSED in Logan back in 2010. And THAT team only made it to a 3rd-tier bowl
game because they packed their alumni in the Replay Booth vs. a Home game with
San Diego St. Do you remember who that was, or should I remind you?
@Snack PACYou'll be watching the Utes Walking and Talking on
howie"Those WAC cupcakes help when your goal is qualifying for a
third tier bowl"Remind us again which team couldn't even
the only WAC cupcake on their schedule to qualify for a third tier bowl last
season. Better stick to Big Sky cupcakes to pad your record; former WAC teams
are obviously too good for U.The Utes are all talk, but no walk,
when it comes to accomplishing ANYTHING as a "big boy" conference
member.7-11 in conference, no Top 25 finishes, one losing season,
and only 1 bowl.Being a perennial PAC 10.2 bottom dweller is nothing
to beat your chest about.
Cougars1Bluffdale, UTTop 25 recruiting class after the
Oklahoma win?Can you name 3 players from that class that are
UteanymousSalt Lake City, UtahYeah... I can see why the Cougs
wouldn't want to be in a big boy conference... they couldn't pad the
schedule with cupcakes from the WAC. Those WAC cupcakes help when
your goal is qualifying for a third tier bowl
HowieUtah fans continue to cluelessly believe that being invited to
a "big boy" conference validates Utah's football program.
Unfortunately for U, nothing could be further from the truth. There are lots of
lousy and mediocre football programs in big boy conferences.On the
other hand, all of that "BYU glory" has given BYU a CONSENSUS National
Championship, a Heisman Trophy winner, SIX National College Football Hall of
Fame players, and FIFTEEN National Individual Award winners - accomplishments on
a national level that are completely foreign to that jealous little program on
Howard S.The ONLY ones obsessing about invites to "big boy"
conferences are our jealous little brothers on the hill who aren't even
good enough to make a bowl game anymore.
phantombladeSalt Lake City, UtahAll that BYU glory and they
can't get invited to the big boy table in the modern era of college
football...mid-major forever... power conference no-show.
SoonerUteHistory says...your speculation is nothing but
wishful thinking by a BYU hater.
HowieThe Utes have been a no-show on the national college football
scene for most of their entire history.AP Top 25 Finishes
(lifetime)BYU - SEVENTEENUtah - FIVEAP Top 25 Finishes
(Bronco/Kyle era)BYU - FOURUtah - TWOThe Utes are so far
behind, they'll NEVER catch up!
History says... don't get excited about a 3 game series until AFTER the
games are played. See Georgia Tech. See Southern Miss. Game 3 at Provo? Not
@Re BlutoYeah the the BCS is dead... and BYU was a no-show... never
made an appearance.Try to keep up? BYU should try to keep up... 3-8
isn't keeping up.
Memno to Howard S.The BCS "Conference Crutch" is dead.Try to keep up.The notion of bad programs riding Conference Coat-tails
anymore, is also a thing of the past.
@Cougars1Yeah, BYU had a top 25 recruiting class that included
Heaps, Apo, Stout, Ho Ching, Quezada, and a host of other non-contributors.How's that class workin' out for you?
Howard S.What good are good recruiting classes when you're a
perennial PAC 10.2 bottom dweller?A couple more 3-6 conference
finishes and the Utes won't even be able to out recruit Colorado and
WSU.Meanwhile, BYU is obviously getting much more out of their
supposedly "inferior" recruiting classes.2012#26
BYU(8-5) bowl winner > #61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show2011#25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 UtahThe ONLY significant
wins Utah has had since joining the PAC 10.2 are against Independent BYU.The Utes won't even manage that accomplishment in 2013.Sad for U, but true.
Howard,That's the whole point. But the key is winning in front
of the large ESPN crowd. Remember the win over Oklahoma? The next year BYU had a
top 25 recruiting class. That has been the knock against BYU for the last few
years. They have been unable to win the high profile, high exposure games of
late. ie., Notre Dame and Texas last year and TCU the year before. The key is to
also keep playing those games. You can't win them if you don't play
@BlutoWhat good are ESPN audiences if they don't even get you a
sniff from a BCS conference, or a BCS bowl game, or even a respectable
@Cougars1And in the case of 2016 it will be 6 home, 4 road, 2
neutral site games. Seems to be in BYU's favor actually.
Cougars1Not only are the neutral site games played in NFL stadiums,
they're almost always nationally televised on ESPN or another major
network. More great exposure for the BYU football program.
Here is what Utah "fans" don't seem to understand. In the years
that they play games at a neutral site, they will also have 6 home games. You
can't look at one series and judge a season. What a great opportunity for
BYU. 6 home games, 5 road games and 1 game at a neutral site with a large
@Hooward SUtah will play Arizona in SLC, because they have to. Just as they will have to go to the Mecca of College Football, Pullman
Washington.Meanwhile, Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Ga. Tech, Boise
State etc. will play BYU in Provo, because, they want to.And BYU
will continue to schedule neutral-site games across this Nation in NFL Stadiums
with multi- million dollar payouts.And they will also be shown to
Nation-wide audiences on an actual National Network and not on Fox-Net Part
Howard S."N/H/H with AZ? Big Whoop..."Which of
course is why the hill trolls are so obsessed with every opponent BYU
schedules?Your blatantly obvious jealousy is laughable.
N/H/H with AZ? Big Whoop...Utah has a perpetual H/H series with
Arizona. In fact, AZ will play at RES three times before they are scheduled to
the play at LES.
Already looking forward to the first BYU-Arizona game in Cardinals Stadium.
Expecting thousands of BYU faithful at the game. Guaranteed, it won't be a
"home" game for the Wildcats.Go Cougs!
Many cougar fans are well pleased with this new scheduled series. One fan asked
why Arizona could do this and Utah could not. Well, I for one will do all I can
to match their offer. Because our current agreement has games playing in 2014
and 2016. I propose in 2016 we match the terms of the Arizona/BYU series.
Therefore, in 2019 (3 years after the agreement(s) are signed BYU will play at
SLC. In 2021 again we will play at Utah (No pro stadium available in the
neutral city of Granger) and then in 2023 the Utes will play in Provo. Each
game will be contracted separately. That way the cougar athletic director can
continue to boast that they have not agreed to a two for one since he said they
would never do that again. And equally important, because each game is
contracted separately, the Cougars can boast how a PAC-12 team wanted so badly
to play a powerful independent team they agreed to play a one and done deal to
play at LES with no conditions.
Here's one AZ BYU fan that will be there...and in greater numbers.
@ NObama10"At least one PAC-12 school isn't afraid of
overscheduling and putting BYU on their schedule"Not at all!
Arizona has taken note of the annual beat down the Cougies get from the Utes.
Arizona is just looking for an easy non-conference win. Utah has already proven
it's dominance over little brother down south!
hondo"Suggesting that ASU fans would go to cheer against U of A
is like suggesting that BYU fans would go to a Utah sporting event to cheer
against Utah."No, it's like suggesting that Utah fans/BYU
haters would go to a BYU sporting event simply to cheer again BYU - the truth
is, it happens all the time.Regardless, at least half the crowd, or
more, will be BYU fans - not only does BYU have a large fan base in Arizona,
Phoenix is also close enough to Las Vegas, Utah, and Southern Cal to attract
lots of BYU fans from those areas.
Congratulations - scheduling a PAC-12 team is great for the cougars (BYU not WSU
as they are scheduled as part of the conference games) Even on a
"modified" two for one basis. If you want to get a preview of what the
Arizona team will be like in 2020 when they are scheduled to be in Provo catch
their games in SLC in 2014, 2016, and 2018!
This is easy folks:1. No NFL stadium in Utah...the only comparable thing
is LaVell Edwards stadium and of course that's not neutral. Playing in the
tiny mid-major SLC stadium wouldn't do.2. No Stadium in Flagstaff
(Half way between)3. Arizona Sports and Tourism wants to sponser this and
they think BYU - Arizona is a good match. You know, they like legacy
programs.4. PAC12 TV can't get BYU on TV any other way (their local
league affliate doesn't want to play a tough preseasn game so they
scheduled their new rival...Fresno?) so the PAC12 network of course wants the
game.5. Rich Rodriguez recognizes quality and wants to play even if it is
some one he likes.Utah fans-relax, it's all just playing off the
homer comments of BYU's most ardent supporters and commentors. (You all
BYU has done a great job of scheduling, this should be a good series!
These neutral-site games are awesome. Easy for me to get tickets to and the
stadiums are incredible. Keep 'em coming!
You missed the point Hondo.
"Actually the crowd in Phoenix may be more hostile to U of A than they are
to BYU. U of A is over 2 hours away and most of the fans in PHX are Sun Devil
fans. If I am not mistaken BYU is the 3rd most popular D1 team in the Valley of
the Sun."Sorry, but ASU fans won't go to the game to cheer
against U of A. Fans will only go if they cheer for U of A or BYU or are
indifferent, but like college football. Suggesting that ASU fans would go to
cheer against U of A is like suggesting that BYU fans would go to a Utah
sporting event to cheer against Utah. Most people don't have time to go to
sporting events to cheer against teams.
@dump - there will be as many or more BYU fans in Glendale than UofA fans. I
was at Cowboy stadium in Dallas when BYU played TCU last year. Some would say
it was really a home game for TCU since it was just 30 miles from their campus.
But I can tell you, there were just as many BYU fans as TCU fans. This is a great game to add to the schedule.
also with the neutral site game, U of A won't control the ticket sales so
if enough BYU fans want to show up for the game then there will be plenty of
tickets for them to buy and they could even fill up 50% or more of the stadium.
At least one PAC-12 school isn't afraid of overscheduling and putting BYU
on their schedule.
at dumprake - it looks like BYU is losing clout in the college football world
where many teams from the power conferences who are on the same level as them
won't play BYU with a straight-up 1 for 1 deal. So BYU has to get a little
creative or stick to playing teams far down on the college football totem pole.
But there are so many members of the LDS church and BYU alums in BYU that the
neutral site game in Glendale could include a huge proportion of BYU fans.AZ gets from 6 to 9 fairly difficult to very difficult games a year from
Pac-12 play, which means that their need for big out-of-conference matchups is
much smaller than BYU's need is. Thus BYU wants in to this non-conference
relationship much more than AZ does so AZ gets the slight spoils of having the
neutral site game closer to them.
Actually the crowd in Phoenix may be more hostile to U of A than they are to
BYU. U of A is over 2 hours away and most of the fans in PHX are Sun Devil
fans. If I am not mistaken BYU is the 3rd most popular D1 team in the Valley of
How about playing at a BYU "neutral" site like the University of Utah.
Phoenix is hardly neutral. I really hate these so-called "neutral" sites
that are walking distance from the university BYU is playing.
I love Independence! Life as and Independent and WCC member is a pretty good
Independence is working out just fine, right Cody?!
There's going to be a lot of NFL-caliber talent in this game!
It'll be fun playing in another NFL stadium!