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Published: Friday, April 12 2013 1:40 p.m. MDT

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Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

"But alas, those aging accomplishments mean nothing to the big boys of college football... and so BYU finds itself on the outside looking in and settling for N/H/H schedules with the big boys."

Howard,

Who said anything about settling. I love how Utah "fans" love to make up imaginary things. Please provide us all with a quote from either BYU or Arizona that Arizona demanded a game on a neutral field. Maybe it was a request of BYU. After all it gives BYU a schedule with 8 games either at home or at a neutral site for the year and 4 games on opponents fields. That sound pretty beneficial to BYU, especially since the game in Phoenix will probably have as many BYU fans attending as Arizona fans.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Howard,

Nice way to change positions. It didn't help because the game was played 2 years prior to the class, THEN, it didn't help because the game happened too close to the signing date. Say goodbye to what was left of your credibility.

As for the 2012 and 2013 classes. Remember when I said that the only way the exposure helps is if you win. Going 1-4 against ranked opponents those two years definitely hurt. Exposure only helps if you win, otherwise it will hurt you.

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

Howie

It's gotta be soooo depressing for the kids on the hill to be signing such amazing recruiting classes, and yet U still haven't been able to beat a single PAC 10.2 team with a winning record, let alone finish ahead of BYU in the final rankings.

2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > UNRANKED/#39 Utah(8-5)

2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

Utah fans live in this fantasy world where much less reliable recruiting rankings of thousands of recruits trump actual results and much more reliable season rankings of 120 teams.

Quite obviously, it's waaaay to soon to make any kind of accurate evaluation of the dividends in better recruiting caused by BYU's frequent appearances on ESPN.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Y's little bro,

And that is the bottom line. Ranking recruits is so overrated and unreliable. Bill Walsh didn't evaluate talent with just 40 times. The most important time for his evaluations was from 30 to 60 yards. Jerry Rice.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@Cougars1

"Exposure only helps if you win, otherwise it will hurt you."

Okay... let examine the wisdom of Mr.Cougars1.

From 2006 to 2010 BYU appeared on ESPN 10 times with a winning percentage of 60%.

In the recruiting years following those seasons from 2007 to 2011 BYUs average recruiting ranking was 46th.

In the 2011 and 2012 seasons BYU appeared on ESPN 20 times with a winning 70%.

In the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes following those 20 appearances and winning 70% BYUs recruiting ranking averaged 62nd.

Exposure and winning up in 2011 and 2012 right?

Mr.Cougars1 believes that when exposure and winning go up recruiting results go up.

But, noooo... Actually when BYU exposure and winning go up, BYU's recruiting rankings fall to the worst levels in a decade.

So the question remains... how does BYU benefit from ESPN exposure?

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

How humiliating is it to be 3-8 against a team that hasn't been able to beat a PAC team with a winning record?

bribri86
Phoenix, AZ

Meanwhile, no one is commenting on any of the Utah Ute articles, because no one cares about the utes

Y's little brother
Sandy, UT

Howie

How humiliating it must be to be in a big boy conference and beat the Cougars and still be left home watching BYU beat SDSU in a bowl game while the Utes are spending the holidays as couch potatoes.

Someday, our little friends on the hill will wake up and realize that one game does not a season make.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

howard

Humiliating isn't losing a couple of games on the last play of the game on the home turf of your bitter rival, humiliating is watching your bitter rival finishing in the Top 25 and winning bowl games while you're not good enough to do either.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

Howard S.

Good comment, let me add this:

BYU's recruiting class has declined so significantly over the last two years is because of independence. Recruits will look at BYU and ask themselves "if i were to play at BYU, what do we have to play for?" BYU has nothing to play for as an independent. Think about it! BYU has no conference championship to play for, no BCS bowls (including the new system), no national championships, ect. Only Notre Dame can pull of independence because of who they are. Notre Dame has a partnership with the Orange Bowl when the new playoff system. BYU has no such contract with any BCS bowls. Notre Dame plays for National Championships when they go undefeated, BYU will be pushed aside like any other non-aq team that goes undefeated. If BYU wants to attract better recruiting classes they need to rejoin the MWC because the new rule is the highest ranked "non-aq conference champion" (independents are excluded) will go to the Fiesta Bowl.

BYU can beef up their schedule all they want, but the fact remains they're still a non-aq team and will be treated as one.

MUSSing with U
Baltimore, MD

Clark W. Griswold

"BYU has nothing to play for as an independent."

Laughing out loud at your delusional spin.

Unlike our little brothers on the hill, BYU plays for Top 25 finishes, 10+ win seasons, big wins over elite programs like Oklahoma, Texas, and Notre Dame, and, soon, a shot at a spot in the national championship playoff.

Playing big name teams in nationally televised games in historic venues throughout the country is just an added bonus when you play for a program with a national fan base.

It's no wonder our little friends on the hill with their small little regional fan base are incapable of appreciating a true national perspective of college football.

Beating BYU is still the most important goal for the kids on the hill.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

Howie,

Not quite sure what your angle is since you seem to change mid-stream. You are saying that playing a weak schedule in the MWC on an obscure network is better than playing the 2013 schedule with 10 or more of those games on ESPN? Sorry, Griswold makes a good point about playing for a conference championship, but even then, recruits would rather play a schedule like 2013 on ESPN. I know this because I see recruits every Saturday and I actually ask them. As for the claim that BYU can never play in a BCS game; well that is bunk and you know it. If BYU goes undefeated or is ranked high enough with one loss, they play in a BCS game. I love how fabricating a notion that fits your opinion is suddenly spun as truth when it is nothing more than a half truth.

Now, my claim is that winning big games against ranked teams on ESPN helps recruiting. Is that the only thing that affects recruiting? No. I never made that claim.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ MUSSingwithU

"Unlike our little brothers on the hill, BYU plays for Top 25 finishes, 10+ win seasons"

blah blah blah! Teams from the MAC can do that too. Even Northern Illinois can crash the BCS with a one loss regular season. Why can't BYU do that? hmmm.......

I guess BYU's top 25 finishes and 10+ win seasons only get them to Vegas or the Helicopter Bowl and not the BCS on the national stage with a real national audience. Utah has done it twice, Boise State has done it twice, TCU has done it twice, Hawaii once, and Northern Illinois once. Still waiting on BYU to join us!

"Playing big name teams in nationally televised games in historic venues throughout the country is just an added bonus when you play for a program with a national fan base"

Then explain to me how Utah games always have higher TV ratings than BYU games? So much for that national fan base of yours.

Clark W. Griswold
Sandy, Utah

@ MUSSingwithU

"Beating BYU is still the most important goal for the kids on the hill"

Utah's most important goal now is winning the Pac-12 title and going to the Rose Bowl. Utah is BYU's most important goal for two reasons. 1) BYU can't beat us! 2) BYU has nothing to play for as an independent.

@ Cougar1

The current BCS format will allow non-aq teams to automatically qualify for a BCS bid if they're undefeated and ranked in the top 12 or they can qualify for an at-large bid if they're ranked in the top 16 and ranked higher than a BCS conference champion. BYU has failed to meet either requirement in the current BCS format.

Now the new playoff system is coming and the rules have changed. Top 4 ranked teams go to the final four (long shot for BYU). But the BCS bowls will select their conference partners or second place teams. Notre Dame formed a partnership with the Orange Bowl. The new BCS bowls don't have to invite BYU. They'll select teams from other conferences whom they have contracts with. BYU has no contracts with any of the bowls. They'll be left out!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Cougars1

"Now, my claim is that winning big games against ranked teams on ESPN helps recruiting. Is that the only thing that affects recruiting? No. I never made that claim."

Here is truth... Since announcing independence and its ESPN contract in August of 2010 BYU has signed three recruiting classes. Each of those classes was ranked in the 60s.

Those are the worst ranked recruiting classes for BYU since 2002.

If recruits were really attracted by BYUs schedule and ESPN, why have the last three recruiting classes been so dismal?

My guess (as supported by the evidence) is that top recruits don't care about playing an independent BYU schedule even if it is on ESPN.

Do you have any other reasons that explain BYU's three dismal recruiting classes?

Now, you may say that BYU hasn't won big games on ESPN.

To which I would reply, First, you can only speculate that recruiting would benefit by big wins on ESPN.

And second, even if it were true that big wins would benefit BYU recruiting, three dismal recruiting classes make less likely that BYU could get a big win.

Now, how is it that independence and ESPN helped BYU?

football43
Morgan, UT

Howard,

You know way too much about BYU's recruiting classes.

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT

football43,

False knowledge is a wonderful thing.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

@football43
Morgan, UT

"You know way too much about BYU's recruiting classes."

I know the last three years have been pathetic.

I also know that top recruits in the 2010 class are now gone... So what was good class is now a pathetic class also.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

Cougars1
Bluffdale, UT,

"False knowledge is a wonderful thing."

Care to point out my inaccuracies about the pathetic rankings of the three recruiting classes that followed BYU's independence/ESPN partnership?

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Clark Griswold

"Utah's most important goal now is winning the Pac-12 title and going to the Rose Bowl."

While that may be true for U of U players, we know that is nowhere near the truth for those who claim to be Utah fans. Would you like to see any evidence of this? Try comparing how many comments are made by "Ute fans" on Utah articles and compare that to how often those same "fans" are posting on BYU articles. If this doesn't convince you try reading their posts. Utah "fans" will beat their chests about how superior they believe they are to BYU and never mention their superiority to conference powerhouses that they may also beat occasionally like Colorado. It's no secret that your "most important goal" has always been and will continue to be the one game you play each year against the non-bcs BYU Cougars.

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