Striker (cont.):The very same conference who invited you (at the
behest of Boise St.) to join the Big East was the very same conference that also
invited East Carolina, Tulane, and Memphis. How mid-majorey, dontcha think?So I stand by original point. The Big [L]East DOESN'T count. They
are just as mid-majorey as you. Case closed.
Striker:So you want to split hairs over whether the Big East is
currently contracted under the BCS, but ignore the part that the only reason the
Y was invited was because Boise St. - not the Big East - them...as a travel
partner? Typical hypocritical coug.That article I cited clearly
referenced the Big East as a, "Group of Five" league, and THAT league is
on the same tier as the MWC, C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt. Everybody KNEW the Big
East would be demoted to "mid-major" status, even BEFORE the playoff
scenerio was approved. And THAT's the Big East to which Utah's little
brother was invited. Note:The Big East had finished behind the MWC
every year under the last evaluation period (2008-2011) and again in 2012. Had
the BCS system not been scheduled to conclude after this season, the Big East
would have been kicked out. In short, the Big East to which you'd been
invited was inferior to the MWC you already left.
nv,That was poor. Tell me where in that response does it say the Big East
is not in the BCS. Didn't see it in your response. Is it so hard to
answer that question?
Striker:Google "Big East, rest of 'Group of Five'
score win with six-bowl decision""The once formidable
league, which spent much of the past year being battered to the brink of
irrelevance, had to this point struck out in its quest to obtain a guaranteed
berth in the sport's new postseason model, forthcoming in 2014. The Big Ten
and Pac-12 have the Rose Bowl, the Big 12 and SEC have the Sugar Bowl and the
ACC has the Orange Bowl. The Big Ten and SEC even landed spots for their
second-best teams, but the Big East, an AQ conference since the BCS' 1998
inception, appeared to be hung out to dry."THAT was the
conference you were invited to....and ONLY because Boise State mandated you be
given an invitation. The conference that "appeared to be hung out to
dry," per Stuart Mandell at Sports Illustrated, last Nov. 12th.P.S.: That article also said, "Independents like BYU are not considered
part of the Group of Five and thus are not guaranteed access." Still on the
outside looking in, only THIS time you're "looking in" at the teams
from the MWC. Haha!
Vet says,"You've been invited to ZERO BCS conferences....The Big
[L]East doesn't count."If there was ever any substance or
truth to your posts, it all went out the window with your last post. You talk,
with ZERO facts. I went to the BCS website and sure enough, there is the Big
East. BYU has been invited to a BCS conference, and as you put it, "that
just eats you up inside," because you know it's true and can't
even admit it.Dick Harmon wrote an article on Nov 21, 2011 stating
BYU rejected their offer. CBS sports wrote a similar article on Nov. 27. There
is proof BYU rejected the Big East according to journalists. Please
provide your reference that the Big East is not a BCS conference. This ought to be rich.
Wiscougarfan:"BYU has also been invited to one bcs conference,
but they turned down the invite."The Big [L]East doesn't
count. For starters, they wanted Boise St; not you. They only invited you at
the behest of the Broncos. The Big [L]East knew it's AQ status was in
jeapardy, and desperately needed BCS busting programs to replace their mass
exodus of their best teams...which were largely mediocre to begin with.
That's why TCU was invited. Had Utah not been invited to the Pac-12, the
would have most likely invited Utah along with TCU, and before Boise St. But
the Big [L]East knew it had no shot at Utah. It appears to be lost
on only cougar fans that the conference that was bullied by BSU into inviting
you is the same conference that was being mentioned among "the Big 5".
And the Big 5 are those conferences on the outside looking in: The Big [L]East,
the MWC, C-USA, the MAC, and the Sun Belt. You've been invited
to ZERO BCS conferences, and that just eats you up inside.
Wiscougarfan:"I'm pretty sure that Utah has never received
an invitation to join the Big 12 (the conference Cougar fans have repeatedly
noted as our top alternative to independence)."Not so little
brother. If given a choice, the cougars would have preferred the Pac-12 first
and foremost, followed by the Big 12, then Indy-WACness."I
believe that after decades as a mid-major Utah was invited to exactly ONE bcs
conference."That most likely had to do with the fact that if
given the choice, Utah would have preferred the Pac-12 to the Big 12. There
would be no point in the Big 12 asking Utah to join, because at the time of
their expansion, the Pac-12 already had the highest grossing television contract
in the entire NCAA, and it was not projected the Big 12 would have topped it.
And of course, they didn't.
Re: Frantic and Emotional"And then that excruciating pain was
exasperated by Utah receiving (and accepting) an invite to your first choice of
conferences..." I'm pretty sure that Utah has never
received an invitation to join the Big 12 (the conference Cougar fans have
repeatedly noted as our top alternative to independence). In fact, I believe
that after decades as a mid-major Utah was invited to exactly ONE bcs
conference. BYU has also been invited to one bcs conference, but they turned
down the invite. I would love to see any mention anywhere by a BYU fan that has
ever said that we would have taken an invite to the PAC over the Big12. Of course, you won't be able to find such a reference, you will
instead fixate on the fact BYU was indeed invited to a bcs conference (just like
the Utes), but that the Big Least is not as mighty as the PAC 12. I'll
save you the trouble... I agree with that point. That's why we have
remained independent instead of becoming the doormat to a great conference like
the Utes have.
54 IQ . "For such a miserable conference, BYU sure seems to want to schedule
a lot of games with the PAC 12 member schools."BYU wanted to
schedule yet another miserable PAC team, but it'd rather play Fresno and
weaken their SOS. WEAK.BYU was forced to upgrade that game to Nebraska.
sls:"As to Ute fans in the mile-high city...there might be two
of them, if that."What a frantic and emotional thing to say.
Losing all those games to your big brother still stings doesn't it. Then
if you added in the fact that you'd never qualified to play in (much less
win) a BCS bowl (much less 2), the pain must be excruciating. And then that
excruciating pain was exasperated by Utah receiving (and accepting) an invite to
your first choice of conferences; aka, the one your fanbase had been fantasizing
about negotiating -- super secretly of course -- an invitation of your own.
That's just the sort of torture that the Geneva Convention forbids.Whew! Glad I'm not an Indy-WACer.
Maybe the mighty Utes from the Pac will schedule a neutral game with BYU in the
nearest NFL stadium. Now that would be in Denver where BYU has a significant
following and the Colorado fans can also come out to cheer for or against their
newest rival. I doubt the Buffalo fans would show up, though, because their
program wasn't built on hating BYU.As to Ute fans in the
mile-high city...there might be two of them, if that.
CougarOnTheProwl:"...Arizona has no problem scheduling BYU so
why does Utah have such an issue with it? Hmm now that is a mistery
[sic]."It's no mystery at all. Arizona is getting a
2-for-1 from the Indy-WACers. As soon as our mid-majorey little brother agrees
to a 2-for-1 with the Utes, they'll find themselves back on our schedule
Rockwell:"LOL at your misinformed spin...BYU's 1974 Fiesta
Bowl opponent, Oklahoma State, finished 7-5 in the Big Eight."No. "LOL" at YOUR misinformed spin. I stated it correctly. OSU did
in fact enter the Fiesta bowl as a 6-5 team (4-3 in the Big 8).
Arizona will schedule BYU when Utah won't. Chris Hill must be too busy with
the swimming and rugby teams. The ute red is green with envy which makes for a
nice color scheme at Christmas, but the rest of the year it looks pretty silly.
Nice get for BYU, they have a strong following in AZ and so they will have
plenty of fan support at those games in AZ. Looking forward to the series
starting in 2016, BYU schedule is shaping up nicely well into the future. In
2016 they already have: @Utah,@Boise State, West Virginia, Arizona and
@Cincinnati on the schedule. Independence is good and its good to be a Cougars
fan! BTW Arizona has no problem scheduling BYU so why does Utah have
such an issue with it? Hmm now that is a mistery
Gotta love how the little brother trolls crawl out of the woodwork EVERY time
BYU announces a new opponent - their obsession with all things BYU is
laughable.These nationally televised BYU games played in NFL
stadiums are becoming commonplace for the Cougars.
Looks like a 1-1-1 to me. The neutral site will likely look a lot like the
Oklahoma game a few years back. BYU fans coming out of the woodwork, probably
marquee ESPN broadcast..No wonder nv and cb are grinding away,
popping Tums like candy
I think it's great. I will at the two games in Arizona. The Glendale game
might be closer to Tucson but I would think that attendance will be pretty close
to even. There is a huge LDS and BYU alum population in Arizona.
54-IQBYU fans haven't been bad-mouthing the PAC 12,
they've been bad-mouthing Utah's bottom dweller status in the PAC
10.2.BYU has been scheduling games with PAC schools for decades,
long before Utah even thought of being competitive with PAC bottom dwellers.LOL!
Washington and Washington State and Utah all canceled scheduled games with BYU.
Funny thing that the cancellations all happened after BYU alums took over as
head coach for the respective schools. In recent years, Oregon State and
Arizona played out their scheduled games and now Arizona has scheduled 3
more.Something tells me that the apple and beehive state schools
were afraid to lose to BYU since the HCs recognize that BYU is a BCS-caliber
school. They are desperate for some out-of-conference victories to pad the win
2 for 1, now that's desperate.
Love the hypocricy of Cougar "fan" now telling us how great a series
this will be after doing nothing but bad mouth the PAC 12 for years. For such a
miserable conference, BYU sure seems to want to schedule a lot of games with the
PAC 12 member schools.Typical.
Only no bowlers will cheer on a Boston Terrier over a Greyhound, and BYU led the
state in both football, and basketball.State championships smell
Navel VetHave you ever been to the Phoenix area? Not only is it
chuck full of Mormons; many of which are diehard BYU fans it is also home to a
ton of Arizona haters in the form of Arizona State fans. All rivalry
bias aside this is a pretty great setup by Holmoe and Company. This is not a 2
for 1, but a great home, away, and neutral. BYU will be anything but lacking for
support when they play the Wildcats in 2016.
navelvet"Actually, it was Oklahoma STATE. And they were a 6-5
team heading into the game. Weak SOS."LOL at your misinformed
spin.BYU's 1974 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Oklahoma State, finished
7-5 in the Big Eight.Utah's 2004 Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh,
finished 8-4 in the Big Least.Oklahoma State 1974 would have
shredded Pittsburgh 2004.
navelvet"BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl in 1974 against
Oklahoma.Actually, it was Oklahoma STATE. And they were a 6-5 team
heading into the game. Weak SOS."Remind us again how many bowls
the mighty weak Utes played in from 1965 to 1991.
The minute I saw that BYU had scheduled another THREE-game series, I KNEW that
our jealous little navelet would come on here trying to minimize another hit to
his fragile ego.BYU played in the 1974 Fiesta Bowl representing the
WAC as conference champions, something that our jealous little friend on the
hill has a hard time even contemplating since his sorry Utes NEVER played in a
single bowl intended for the WAC champions in Utah's 38 years in the
The moment I saw the headline indicating this would be a THREE game series, I
KNEW our jealous little brothers would come on here and boast of how this proves
Irrelevance, er, I mean Independence, is such a smashing success. I KNEW
they'd try to spin 2 games in Arizona as neutral, citing the size of their
"large fanbase".I also KNOW that there will be a lot more of
these types of scheduling arrangements because nobody down there in WACistan
dares call out Holmoe for these quasi 2-for-1s. And it IS a 2-for-1. Glendale
may not be the Wildcat-haven of Tucson, but it's a LOT more Wildcat than
cougar.Steven S Jarvis:The Fiesta Bowl back in the early
1970s was equivalent to the Poinsettia Bowl of today. It was "small
ball" on the grand scale of postseasons. Utenationalum was referring to
when the Fiesta was a MAJOR bowl. You haven't been to any major bowls of
that scope.AZGrandma:"BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl
in 1974 against Oklahoma."Actually, it was Oklahoma STATE. And
they were a 6-5 team heading into the game. Weak SOS.
Definitely a home-away-neutral series - BYU has a very large fan base in the
Phoenix area. It wouldn't be a bit surprising for BYU to have the majority
of fans for the game in Phoenix.btw,BYU played Oklahoma
State in the 1974 Fiesta Bowl, BYU's first ever bowl game.
@cowardly robinBYU will probably have more fans at the game in
Phoenix than az will. LOL at your "frantic and emotional"
@utenationalumUh....BYU already played in the fiesta Bowl, 30 years
before utah even dreamed of it. LOL!
UteNationAlum--Just remember. The utes, and buffalos were brought in to pad an
extra two wins for the others to become bowl eligible. Extra cash flow with more
bowl worthy teams.This business decision also effects basketball.It's just that simple. BYU is the University of Utah.
Way to go Cougars! The pesky long range schedule sure is filling out!
@Who am I sir?You're right, this isn't a
two-for-one...it's actually a two-for-zero. Arizona will buy out the final
game just like all of BYU's major-conference opponents have lately.
BYU played in the Fiesta Bowl in 1974 against Oklahoma. I was their first bowl
game appearance. I went to the game. Gary Sheide was quarterback and was injured
during the game. BYU used its backup quarterback.
Love Independence!...I guess BYU may not fit as a member of the PAC, but at
least PAC schools are willing to play BYU and go against the prejudices of their
Conference presidents. I see more PAC schools scheduling BYU, and BYU announcing
more series with the elite around the nation. Exciting times.
@UtenationalumBYU already has played in the Fiesta Bowl (1974). If
you are going to attempt bashing BYU, at least check your facts.This
series looks interesting. I lived in Tucson for a year back when the fan base
claimed they didn't have a football team, having fgone winless in
conference play for two straight seasons. I am glad Arizon is no longer a
winless doormat of a big name conference. Arizona makes bowls, gets ranked and
is competetive each year. The doormat is reserved for some other PAC-12
Psst...UteNation. It's closer than the Utes got to a bowl of amy kind last
year, and probably closer than you will get this year. Just sayin...
This will be the closest BYU ever gets to a Fiesta Bowl...
This looks like a great series. Arizona is no powerhouse, but having regional
games where BYU has a large fan base makes a lot of sense... and we need some
easier games on the schedule. They can't all be Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and
Texas. Go Cougs!
Trust me, this is not a two for one. (However don't read the handwritten
comments explaining why it was structured this way. Something about
Holmoe's word of not accepting anything but a home and home arrangement.)