Ultra Bob, I was right with you in your second comment up until you said
“When a unborn child dies with out ever experiencing life, it is sad but
not of great consequence to the world.” Just who do you think
you are to decide what impact a life may have in the future? The greatest
moments in the history of the world – both good and evil - were all the
result of nondescript unborn children who made it past the birth phase and grew
into someone who profoundly influenced the course of history around them. To say that the unborn are of no particular consequence to the world is
to deny the very purpose of life.
In a related article, Irin Carmon of Salon magazine claims this is an
“illustration of the need for faster, safer and more readily available
abortion.” Also, “she also argues for public funding of
abortion.”It is tragic that this view is being promoted as
“normal” by the movers and shakers of America. Abortion is NOT
normal and should not be treated as just another casual activity of day-to-day
life. Some people just refuse to take responsibility for their actions. If I
callously took a life with no justification, I would be held responsible for it,
not anybody else. The same should go for those who would give a life without
regard to the associated consequences.Abortion on demand was one of
the primary reasons the twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. We
stand at a similar brink. Though I believe that it will be the way of the world
to push us over, it is worth the fight to keep it from happening for as long we
can still distinguish right from wrong. We need to continue to protect those who
can not protect themselves.
"If Deseret News had not printed this horrible story, most of the nation
would not know about it."The nation knows about this only
because the D News printed this story? My gosh, at first I thought you were
being sarcastic, but you're not, are you? What is going on in
If Deseret News had not printed this horrible story, most of the nation would
not know about it. How many of these type of stories have been covered up? I
bet a lot. The pro-abortion lobby is very powerful.
Yep, the terrible liberal media JUST ignoring the whole trial... OH but wait...
CNN has it on the front webpage... They must been have shamed them into. But
really my point is, be it left or right, enough with the hyperbole, hysteria and
paranoia. It really feels like I'm reading a junior high school novel.
All drama and no sustenance.
i've said it, unfortunately, a number of times in comments regarding
stories in the DNews about crimes against children, who are all obviously
innocent. They are the most heinous of all crimes that can be
commited, period.How a "professional" or anyone else, can
live with himself and do what he has allegedly done (he's innocent until
proven guilty, of course) is beyond the human mind to comprehend.
Does it really matter which way a newspaper leans. The fact of the matter is
that abortion is wrong. Late abortion is even more wrong. These babies are
murdered and thats the truth. Yet people dont like to face the truth and thats
why these facts are covered up. I am glad that finally, these indescribably
barbaric acts have been brought to light and whether people like it or not, they
now have to face it. I am glad that someone has had the nerve to stand up to
defend these unwanted and unloved children; yes they are children. Call them a
fetus if you like but each one of them is a child and as such shold have the law
on thier side, but they dont because nobody wanted them. I say, hats off to
those with the guts to cover these stories. Its about time everyone knew the
truth behind these clinics.
"Abortion just serves as a statement of how selfish people are even if the
life of the woman is in jeporady because if they were right with God, they
wouldn't fear death."Talk about sick comments. Floyd, snipped means the spinal cord was cut. How did I know that?
Read about it in the Main Stream Media that apparently is not covering this
A doctor whose abortion clinic was a filthy, foul-smelling "house of
horrors" that was overlooked by regulators for years was charged Wednesday
with murder, accused of delivering seven babies alive and then using scissors to
kill them.-House of horrors' alleged at abortion clinicmsnbc staff
and news service That's from NBCPHILADELPHIA (AP)
— A jury weighing murder charges against a Philadelphia abortion provider
heard grim testimony about unorthodox procedures used on inner-city clinic
patients. That's from NPRIn opening statements in
court on Monday, prosecutors charged that a doctor who operated a women’s
health clinic here killed seven viable fetuses by plunging scissors into their
necks and “snipping” their spinal cordsThat's from
NY TimesThere are plenty more examples of mainstream media coverage
of this story also. Those are just three from what the right consider the
extreme left. I could also give plenty of examples of stories that
the Right Wing main stream media choose to ignore.
I am not sure what the word "snipped" means. Were the spinal cords cut
with scissors? Were the infants jugular veins severed? Were the necks twisted
until the spine fractured? I guess it does not matter, it just seemed to be a
strange explanation of the procedure.
Counter Intelligence.banderson.Anti Bush-ObamaI
don’t like the killing of anybody but I cannot prevent such from
happening. I do not think I could kill anybody except if my life or my kin was
in immediate peril. I even hurt a little inside at the killing of animals. But
I love a good steak and served time in the military. God made the
world the way it is and there is no way that human beings can thwart the plans.
As civilized human beings, we try to place attention and efforts on
things that make life better. We often fail in that when we put the wrong
emphasis on the killing of other human beings. We are sickened by the killing
of a unborn child but make heroes of those who kill for profit. When a unborn
child dies with out ever experiencing life, it is sad but not of great
consequence to the world. When a living child or even an adult is killed the
effect of that person’s loss is more. I think that when
people go so far away from the true nature of life, they do so with ulterior
@RedshirtThe "obvious agenda from the national media" is in
your head and just because a crime hasn't a single perpetrator doesn't
mean it's not a crime. We are all responsible in my opinion; we should
expect more from our government in fighting corruption that prevents resources
from getting where they're needed. We should expect more from our churches
who merely pay lip service to the poor and needy while building large business
empires. We should expect more from our media (including the DN) who cover the
sexy issues but largely ignore malnourishment and hunger. And obviously we, who
are commanded to give to the poor and needy, should expect more from
ourselves.You yourself raised this issue by commenting the number of
stories about this versus Sandyhook. So if we are off-topic, it is you who took
Actually, there WAS coverage back in 2011 on NPR and an affiliate of CBS...and
some other news organization I actually haven't heard of. So I can't
agree with this 100% but for the most part...I think what Gordon B.
Hinckley stated at my Graduation from Weber State back in 1999 says it all.
"There is little regard for the sanctity of life." (Not an exact
quote).And for that lack of regard, we turn a blind eye, our society
turns a blind eye. Babies are no more than puppies nowadays. No, wait, puppies
might just be treated better. My pup just came back from physical therapy where
he gets treated better than I do. Can't say that about many of the
innocent in this country. :(
To "1aggie" your comment is quite off topic and is a distraction from
the obvious adgenda from the national media.Name the person who is
responsible for undernourishment, and expose them. Until then you are talking
about something totally different. In many of the countries where the
undernourishment is occuring we do see more headlines about the strife
afflicting them than we have seen about this Doctor.This is murder
of innocent children. Undernutrition is a problem, but it is not an act of
murder, it is more of a symptom of corruption. Much of the undernourishment is
due more to internal politics of the countries where it is occuring.
re:Jared#1 Deseret News still didn't write an article about the
murders, it wrote an article about the media not covering it. #2
What constitutes "national media" sources? Wall Street Journal? No
articles there. This story was reported by media sources in 2011
when it first came to light. But you might not know about it if your primary
sources of news is Deseret News. I think one factor affecting coverage is due
to the population the clinic served--the poor. It is a horrific case and if
convicted the "Dr." faces the death penalty. Re;1aggieThere are no starving people or children--just lazy people waiting for
handouts, people who won't take responsibility for themselves.
@JaredYour post is wrong on all counts:First, you said
"The DN is covering now" but the DN hasn't reported one single gory
detail that should be on the front page of every newspaper. The DN has only
written a (hypocritical) story about the media coverage, not about the case.Second, the DN is not a local news agency. The DN, while based in SLC,
enjoys global readership on its website. If what you are saying is true, the DN
should eliminate its section entitled "World & Nation". But they do
have that section and they ignored a story and then called down the rest of the
world for ignoring the story that they themselves have been ignoring.
@Redshirt#1701I mostly agree with you. But according to the World Health
Organization, undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 2.6
million children every year and undernourishment currently affects about 925
million people, or about 13.5% of the world population. So, according to your
logic, unless there are about a million stories about undernutrition for every
one Sandy Hook story, the media appears to have a double standard that pushes an
agenda that allows starvation.
Our national leaders are working hard to pass legislation - feel good
legislation - that many experts agree will not do anything to avert a future
Sandy Hook abomination. Our society likes to talk about issues, but has little
interest in truly curbing violence; especially against our most vulnerable
group, our children.What happened in Philadelphia is what some have
come to term an Inconvenient Truth. Actually, it was more than merely criminal
and the fact that the leading media groups in this country have all but ignored
it is further evidence that we can no longer rely upon traditional media sources
to keep us informed.I am curious to see the outcry in this country
over this tragedy. Do you suppose the president will fly relatives of the
victims up to Washington on Air Force One to pressure legislators into outlawing
partial birth abortions? Me either.
TruthseekerThe DN is covering now but the DN is a local news agency
focused first on Utah news (including sports), second on LDS Church news, third
on national news, and fourth on world news. This article is about national news
outlets not covering the story (local news in that area is saturated with it).
This is in huge distinction with other "local" stories receiving
unceasing national coverage (e.g., mass shootings).
Lets recap this into small bitsize pieces that everybody can easily
understand.The Sandy Hook killer murdered 26 people and gets several
months of media attenetion.This Dr. murdered 1000 babies per year
and gets little to no attention from the media.Can anybody make an
argument logically why the media would have such a double standard, outside of
the media pushing an adgenda that allows for killing babies that survived
Thanks, KinCO.NPR covered this case in 2010, a number of times in
2011, and has been covering it continually since the trial started. The Huffington Post has been writing about this story regularly since it broke
in 2010. So has the New York Times. I can't get the NBC website
search function to work to see how they've covered the story; the stories
that show up are the most recent ones covering the trial, and nothing further
back. That doesn't mean they didn't cover it; just that the website
isn't working.Looks like what's missing isn't
coverage by the liberal news media but outrage by the conservative news media.
And there should be outrage. Lots of outrage, by everyone on every side of the
political spectrum, directed toward the doctor and the failed medical regulatory
system.So how's regulation in your own state? Are there things
like this going on where you live? Since abortion is legal, is it sufficiently
regulated? How about hospital infections? Are the hospitals and clinics in your
state squeaky clean and providing adequate and humane medical care for even the
poorest and sickest in our midst?
@Flashback"The simple reason for not having any national coverage on
this horrible crime is, this case, because it is about the evils of abortion
does not fit with the mainstream media's morals and beliefs. They support
abortion for any reason and for them to report on this would make them look
bad."This wasn't abortion, this was murder and even under
pro-choice advocate policy this would still be illegal. You're doing the
equivalent of saying gun owners support school shootings.
Ultrabob"Of all the murders committed in our society, the least
cruel is probably the abortion of life at conception through birth."What a sick comment. We won't even let people commit suicide and
yet we take it upon ourselves to decide who deserves a life and who
doesn't. Abortion just serves as a statement of how selfish people are even
if the life of the woman is in jeporady because if they were right with God,
they wouldn't fear death. Thats just my opinion.
How many stories has the Deseret News written on this subject "that should
be on every front page" to date? Zero by my count. Are you not condemning
yourselves (or at least calling yourselves out) in this piece? This article
seems a wee bit hypocritical to me. At a minimum, I'll be expecting to see
one article, sparing no gory details, on this trial per day on the front page of
the DN from now on.
Dalyn -- The point of the article was that the National media hasn't done
enough to cover this vigilante doctor. I would hope Philly is covering it!
There was a story on this trial--a lengthy one at that--on NPR in the last week
or so. I remember a couple of stories on NPR before that as well--especially
when the story first broke. I'm guessing most people in UT would classify
NPR a a liberal media outlet (probably without even listening to it, but
that's another subject), but it did report this story. I can't speak
to TV news as I never watch it. But yes, news stories are chosen and
reported by human beings who obviously have opinions, and of course stories that
support the agendas of one particular point of view or other will be emphasized
by different news outlets. This is why you get a different slant on things from
Fox than you do from the NY Times. Different people, different opinions,
different audiences--and anyone who EXPECTS news to be unbiased is just silly.
That's why it is important to read/listen across the political
spectrum--otherwise you just have people telling you what you want to hear,
which is the road to . . . well, our current political stalemate.
I haven't seen a thing in the DNews about this. Aren't you the media?
Aren't you supposed to bring this sort of thing to our attention? Or is the
DNews, as I suspect, just a conduit for the wire services? This is a horrific
story covered intensely on the East Coast, as I understand. Aren't you
Re:CounterIntellA quick search revealed articles in March in The New
York Times, USAToday, and NBC . Were there articles in the Deseret News
regarding this case before today? Yeah, a vast conspiracy! Re:ALHThe "liberal" Washington Post, regularly carries
editorials and op-eds from the right and the left--unlike ("politically
neutral") Deseret News. Whether Krauthammer is
"respected" is a matter of debate.
I have always said babies are consequences not choices. We live in a society
that encourages the mitigation of consequences, hence baby killing on demand. We
have accepted that simple inconvenience of an unplanned baby is equal to the
result of rape or incest. The former deserves no mitigating action while the
latter clearly does. I am pro choice; choose to abstain from sexual activity if
you don't want the consequence of the baby or STI. Or, put another way, if
you are not willing to subjugate yourself for and in behalf of a new life, then
choose to subjugate that passion and desire for the fleeting pleasure that could
result in new life. And don't kid yourself that raising a child really
doesn't need to affect the rest of your life. Raising children done
properly requires a high degree of unselfish thinking and action.
@Ultra Bob"Of all the murders committed in our society, the
least cruel is probably the abortion of life at conception through
birth."The least cruel? Are not all murders cruel? How do you
judge one to be "less cruel" than another? And are you conceding that
abortion is, in fact, a form of murder? I find this comment to be
extremely disturbing, but, sadly, exactly what I have come to expect from the
Ultra Bob, try as you might, trying to get everyone to turn their head in
another direction is sickening. Ultra Bob, you made it through the sieve that
has killed 55 million innocent children the last 40 years. Be grateful you
weren't one of them tossed in a corner garbage can. I teach school and
even middle schoolers are beginning to see the hypocrisy of the abortion on
demand mentality that seeks to excuse those who were irresponsible to begin with
and then compound that irresponsibility by aborting what they chose to start!
How sad for them and you. Children are a blessing, a gift from God. Hope in
society is tied to how we treat babies. Their voices will be heard, if not now,
DalynTruthseekerAreaReaderOutside of Philadelphia the only
coverage you would see on this story in the last few weeks is on conservative or
pro-life websites - NOT in the mainstream media - despite the horrific
implications of the story.There are lies – then there are lies by
omission. The MSM can cover its rear easier by ignoring inconvenient facts than
it can by overtly lying about them (I.e. NBC lying in the case of George
Zimmerman came back to humiliate the network)It is sad indictment when the
blatant lack of coverage about a crime becomes as newsworthy as the horror of
the crimeUltra BobYour rationalization of after birth murder
is precisely why I am repelled by the hard left
By the way, this "Doctor" very much deserves the death penalty.
Don't know if PA has it, but he very much deserves it.
The simple reason for not having any national coverage on this horrible crime
is, this case, because it is about the evils of abortion does not fit with the
mainstream media's morals and beliefs. They support abortion for any
reason and for them to report on this would make them look bad.
Well done by the Deseret News. This is a horrifying story and symptomatic of the
malaise in our society. With Hannibal Lector now "staking" his claim to
prime time coverage, the proliferation of money making violence is astounding
and tearing our society apart by targeting the young and impressionable.
Even a nationally recognized and respected columnist for the liberal Washington
Post sees a problem here: "Krauthammer: Media Ignoring Gosnell Trial Because
It Puts Abortion Issue ‘Starkly Into Relief.'" Although it may
have been well-covered locally,such a sad case in a nationally-debated issue
would usually attract national attention. That it hasn't speaks volumes
about media bias.
@Hutterite. What is amazing is that this seems to be acceptable to you and
It's great when you can get coverage and outrage to support your cause, eh?
The power of the press is about as strong as the power of the gun relating to
the Constitution of the United States of America. Journalism and Journalists
used to have integrity and honesty, overall, with some on the sideline that
practiced yellow journalism. The need for 24-hour news has probably made it so
just the numbers of reporters and not journalists have watered down the process.
The quality control of news agencies and publishers has probably also gone down
with the number of papers have been bought out by the big guys and not just in
the United States of America. It comes down to agendas of the
people that bought the papers and airwave and Internet papers out. The sources
are not always verified and it has become a Hollywood way of sensationalism that
is impacting on morality of the issues. Moral issues have existed since the
world has existed. People have choices to make, good or bad. However, the
press and news rooms are making items that used to be good, bad and bad items
look good. We accept as a people more infiltration of images,
messages and thoughts that don't improve our lives for good.
So why didn't DN write an article about the trial?Instead, it
writes about a media conspiracy theory about the trial.DN takes its
talking points from the radical right. Everything is a conspiracy, a cover-up,
a "war" against. It is sad more and more DN resembles a tabloid than a
serious high quality newspaper.
For those of you who follow local Philadelphia media outlets congratulations,
but this article points out a glaring problem in the national media. When
national media covers idol contestants, a divorced parents who kidnapped his/her
child, Starbucks prices, and celebrity fashion ad nauseum, is it too much to ask
for them to report something like the Philadelphia case in an objective manner?
I'd completely forgotten about the case even though I read national media
every day.What is the media saying if they decide not to report on
something of real national importance, replacing it instead with an article
about Britney Spears' clothes or lack thereof?
All media are business operations, owned and operated by businessmen for
business purposes. Not one word about a murder trial for food
processors who kill people by not following regulations. Will the
owner operators of the bad medicine be charged in the multiple deaths of
people?How about the people who die accidentally in medical
procedures in hospitals. How about the people and children who die
because of the lack of health care.Of all the murders committed in
our society, the least cruel is probably the abortion of life at conception
Having some connections to the Philadelphia area, I have been exposed to regular
and extensive coverage of the very disturbing trial. If the Deseret
News hasn't covered the story, that's the Deseret News's problem,
and there's no reason to paint your lack of coverage as a sinister cover-up
by the "liberal media."
Dalyn,With all due respect, the Philadelphia newspapers have provided the
ONLY significant coverage of this mass murder. The reason it has not been
carried on any of the major TV networks is because it conflicts with their
political positions on the "choice" issue. They are not doing their
A society is judged by how it protects the most vulnerable, those unable to
protect themselves, In the case of abortion on demand magnified by abortion just
before or just after the baby is born, America has been found wanting. Who
speaks for the smallest who cannot defend themselves? Defense of Dr. Gosnell
actually had the audacity to admit that the baby that was living is now dead as
a result of procedures beneath human dignity. Jesus said, "Whatever you did
for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me." That should be a
frightening thought for perpetrators who proudly admit to their horrendous
I live in Philadelphia. Our newspaper, which is as left leaning liberal as they
come, has had this on the front page multiple times. The trial just started but
the arrest was almost a year ago. We have had almost a year of coverage of this
story.All of this complaining about lack of coverage is simply not
true. This case is not politics or right vs. left, it is a grotesque crime. Are
we to complain when national press fails to report every local crime a year
after it happens? Because if that is the case the Deseret News has failed to
report about 300 shootings in Philadelphia from last year as well.
@Cool Cat Cosmo:I believe that in this post-modern era, the truth
has become so prone to interpretation, that our cultural elites have decided to
interpret it the way that they want to. Hence, Harry Potter is as relevant as
the Bible, and the latest movie is as accurate as the evening news.
We live in a time of great wickedness. This week alone we read about 2 fathers
who murdered their babies. Now, we learn of a "Dr." who murdered
hundreds of babies. Certainly we cannot argue that this is depraved and a
representation of how truly evil our world is becoming. Yes, this has happened
in China (killing of babies) for many generations, and genocides have taken
place in many places over the past centuries, but it has not been the norm in
America and we ought to do all we can to protect the innocent and try to reclaim
It's certainly disturbing that those who claim to always seek out the truth
avoid talking about the truth when it doesn't coincide with their political
views. Yet isn't it interesting that since the Sandy Hook
shooting, the media can't seem to get enough of any story involving a
gun...? Political bias at its worst...people (on both sides of the political
spectrum) are more and more living only in the reality that they want for
themselves, while ignoring anything to the contrary. This glaring
example of that certainly isn't going to help us as a nation come to any
sort of reasonable consensus on these divisive issues. One has to wonder how
much more divisiveness our nation can withstand before it is literally split