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Defending the Faith: Death gives us a portal into a glorious world

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  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    April 14, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Reading this, I couldn't help thinking of a family in my ward who are dealing with the death of their 18-year-old daughter

  • G L W8 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    April 14, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Sharrona, you've confused me. What's your point?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    April 13, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    RE: the truth, Several points to ponder. that prohibition does not apply to others. , God is allowed to tell what he will through his Prophet. If God is not leading his Church by revelation through his prophet, that church can not prevail. Our unchanging God does continue to reveal to us even today.OK,
    A Discourse by Elder Jedediah M. Grant, Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, Aug. 7, 1853 . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers [Celsus]who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were “Mormons.”(JoD v. 1 p 346)

  • Stay the Course Salt Lake City, utah
    April 13, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    Corvette
    "google" Proof of Heaven a Neurosurgeons Journey into the Afterlife
    He was agnostic before his near death experience 20/20 did a fascinating story on him you can see as well
    why not comment after looking into this?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 13, 2013 7:19 p.m.

    Science has PROPOSED a number of possible explanations for death experiences or near death experiences,

    and not a single proposal has ever been proved clinically or in a laboratory.

    So science can hypothesize all they want but they have no provable theories and never have,

    if they could they would have by now, and reproduced them over and over and again the exact same experience.

    Science does not know.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 13, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    If a temporary death experience is in someone's head, it doesn't explain how people who have them come into posession of knowledge that they couldn't have possibly known from any other source--such as knowledge of a private conversation between other people in another location. Anyone who has had such an experience knows it isn't in one's head.

    And to those who scoff at these accounts, I'm wondering...does it really make you feel better to try and discredit these stories? Does it make you feel better to try and destroy the faith of others? Wouldn't it be much nicer to listen to the accounts of eye witnesses who are willing to share their wonderful experiences with you and make your life brighter?

    And...there are many doctors and scientists who accept so-called NDEs are real. Some of them have experienced them themselves.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 13, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    @donn

    Several points to ponder:

    1. You do not know what things he was allowed to tell or not tell we just know that ther some he was not allowed to tell, an

    2. that prohibition does not apply to others.

    3. God is not prohibited, God is allowed to tell what he will through his Prophet.

    4. Matthew 16:16-18 (brackets added):

    16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the aChrist, the Son of the living God.

    17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not REVEALED it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock [REVELATION, also playing upon Peter's name] I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    If God is not leading his Church by revelation through his prophet, that church can not prevail.

    Our unchanging God does continue to reveal to us even today.

  • Verdad Orem, UT
    April 12, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    Scientists hold all manner of views on these things. There is no single position held by "Science." Various naturalistic explanations of near-death experiences have been offered; none of them have been found universally (or even very) persuasive. Some NDE accounts are extremely difficult to explain away.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    April 12, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    To Tyler on true faith Thing is how many people actually want to know the truth about what God says and seek it? Wouldn't the honest in heart want to find the truth and choose to live it. God is not a God of confusion, Car can only take gas, Gravity does not change it's law, Why would an all knowing God? NDE's are interesting however they do not represent Church doctrine.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    April 12, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    I've heard it reasoned out that awareness is a meat byproduct, just a neurological response in a living organism. I’ve never heard an attempt to biologically explain how it works, much less why it should. So if the final scene as the curtain comes down is an upper, what does a duly curious scientist make of that?

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    April 12, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Scientists have also told people that the earth is flat, witches cause social disruption, smoking cigarettes relaxes throat muscles, Thalidomide was as safe as asbestos, and on and on, Red.

    Brains in the throes of death are able to produce cogent, beautiful hallucinations, exactly alike? Never.

  • donn layton, UT
    April 12, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    “In regard to gardens, says brother Grant, ‘I have seen good gardens on this earth, but I never saw any to compare with those that were there. I saw flowers of numerous kinds, and some with from fifty to a hundred different colored flowers growing upon one stalk.“

    ” …I was caught up to paradise and heard things so astounding that they cannot be expressed in words[or detail], THINGS no human is allowed to tell.,(2Cor 12:4)..

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    How comforting this column is to those of us who have wept at a graveside. Thank you.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    April 11, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Finally!

    After months of articles on the “evidence” for this scared book or doctrine, or the “proof” of this or that historic event, Dr. Peterson finally addresses the basis for all religions – personal religious experience.

    These are fascinating accounts and reading the religious literature from other traditions suggests that experiences like these are universal. Hindus and Tibetan Buddhist in particular have troves of such accounts going back many centuries.

    It’s really too bad our religious traditions are so ramified and beholden to many mutually exclusive beliefs and doctrines. If more people were willing to come out of their bunkers, perhaps the core commonalities among religions would become more evident.

    But as long as people are brought up to believe that they alone have the “true faith” and everyone else is either wicked or living to some degree in outer darkness – as opposed to a fellow child of God with their own tradition every bit as capable of facilitating a relationship with him - this recognition will not occur and our world will continue to look less like the Kingdom of God and more like the Balkans.