I'm confused. People have posted at least 2 different schedules for the
TRAX and I can't find one on the website. Additionally I tried their plan a
trip tab to figure out arriving at the SL Airport (had to look the address
up-serious?) to Provo or Orem stops but it insisted I list a Provo address and
when I did it reported there was no such route. How do I find out what line to
take, where to change lines etc. ?
Have been dreaming of, hoping for, and then waiting for this for almost 25
years. Oh the JOY of just getting on a train at the airport, like so
many other US cities.The car rental companies are going to miss
me......I shall NOT miss them, and their excessive airport taxes.Now, if we can just get a UTA bus from the northern most point of Front
Runner to Logan/Cache Valley---and my joy will be complete!
papi_chulo,By what measure do you claim that UTA is the most
expensive system in the US?NYC charges $2.50 per ride for the subway
& bus.NYC spends in one year enough money to operate the entire
UTA system for probably 10 years and that's just the buses & subways.
I didn't include NYC's commuter rail numbers.NYC is
currently spending nearly $2 Billion just to extend 1 subway line about 1.5
procuradorfiscal,There are no "excess revenues" from the
buses. In 2011 according to the National Transit Database, not UTA, UTA spent
$107,815,451 operating the buses and only collected $20,899,706 in fares.
That's an $86.9 Million deficit in revenues. There isn't any excess
to siphon off to subsidize something else.
Strider,Buses aren't cheaper! Not by a long shot. According to
the data from the National Transit Database for 2011, It cost UTA $5.00 per ride
taken on a bus and the riders covered 19.38% of that via the fare box, leaving
$4.03 for the taxpayers to pick up.It cost UTA $2.27 per ride taken
on a light rail train, and the taxpayers only had to pick up $1.45 per ride
there.They spent $34.8 Million to move 15.3 million rides on light
rail and $107.8 Million to move just over 6 million more rides by bus or 21.6
million rides. It cost 3 times as much money to operate the buses and they
couldn't even move 2 times as many people for that extra cost.
One of the other problems with this line is that, unless you live along the
green line, you have to transfer to another line - and UTA planners have taken
yet another opportunity to prove how inept they are. For example, they have the
Front Runner and Green Line leaving the North Temple station at exactly the same
time all day long - meaning at best a 15 minute wait, but up to a 30 minute
wait, depending on the direction of travel. Well done, UTA!
Re: "A public transit option besides the bus is sorely needed."And, it will still be sorely needed after TRAX opens its airport line.This run is even a bigger joke than the rest of the lines, none of which
will ever garner enough ridership to be profitable.UTA collects
excess revenues from bus and UTA Vanpool riders to subsidize East-bench elites
and their TRAX toy.Sad.
In the last year I have lost count of how many times my daughter has driven up
from Provo to pick up roommates at the airport. Just because your friends CAN
pick you up doesn't mean they want to.
Too bad they'll stifle usage by limiting early and late hours of service.
And how do connection times look at the intermodal hub? If I take frontrunner
what are the odds of a wait for the trax line?
Brave Sir & other haters - if you think nobody will take it, not needed,
blah, blah, blah, I would guesstimate you have never been to the State Fair. A
public transit option besides the bus is sorely needed.
Most expensive public transportation system in the NATION! Gotta love it!
You'd think we had hit the big times and were the thriving metropolis of DC
or NY or LA. Nope, we're the thriving metropolis of SLC where the whole
state of Utah has just over 3 million people and these other BIG cities where
public transportation is cheaper have millions of people...NYC...over 8 million.
Is TRAX convenient? Yes, for some people. Is it cost efficient, I doubt it.
It is 19th Century technology spruced up in bright colors. Have I used it? Yes.
My gripe is that since the funding is seen as "free" money by so many,
they don't consider the cost to the taxpayer as a whole. They have always
chosen the most expensive way to do things. I suggest that instead of trains,
electric articulating buses on dedicated lanes (where the present track are)
would be more efficient, both in construction costs and operating costs.
Inter-urban buses would be more flexible and could use the HOV lanes, negating
the cost of building the rails and associated support systems. Changes in routes
and stations could be made to accommodate future growth and changes. In
addition, they can be re-routed in an emergency, when one breaks down, or is
stopped for whatever reason, another can be dispatched to resume the route. The
citizens support UTA with significant taxes and we do not receive helpful
service. UTA’s monopoly forces people to their schedule, ignoring the
needs of the public.
Excited it's opening (I'll use it).This typo made me
laugh: "Under construction since January 2009, the new $393 TRAX extension
is one of five rail projects UTA has had on its construction agenda in the past
few years."That $393 was the best bang-for-the-buck ever!!
(Yes, I know they meant $393 million... Just funny.)
I'm betting the park-n-ride lots are hating this idea...I am definitely
going this route when I fly. Awesome!
The reason this is dead in the water for me is that I can't rely on public
transit here to run at all hours. My flights often get in at 10PM or later, and
sometimes leave at 7 AM (and even when they don't, changes happen often). I
can't trust my trip home to a system that won't be running if any
delays occur. I guess that keeps the cabs busy at night - I am also guessing
they are going to hurt badly during the day.The airport Trax hours
are:Weekdays 6:12am - 9:45pmSaturdays 7:20am - 10:09pmSundays
8:30am - 6:17pm
5 minutes and $1 of gas from downtown?How about the time your friend
has to drive back, and gas? How about the time your friend prepare to pick you
up? When you think you save 15 minutes of your time, you did not really save
it, you transfer the expense to your friend. Be a smart boy OK?
All I want to know is, does the Airport line run every 15 minutes (20 minutes
weekends) all night? I don't want to arrive back in town on a delayed
flight arriving at 1 a.m. Sunday morning, only to find that the next TRAX train
arrive in four hours. Couldn't find the answer from the article or the
link. I don't care about riding TRAX for a can of food just for the scenery
Now that UTA has finished their Trax projects, maybe they can focus on making
user friendly improvements to their existing transportation. Like a pedestrian
track crossing by the bus drop off point at SL Central making it easier for the
bus riders to access the Frontrunner platform when their bus just makes the
connection. Or the bus schedule nightmare on the west side of town with
it's many 25 minute broken transfers. Or fixing the street parking
sinkhole; mudhole mess at SL central. Or fixing the broken tap-and-ride posts.
Or making the the Davis and Weber county Frontrunner platforms easier to access
than the current one entrance at each end of the block long stations.
Re: "Salt Lake is becoming a big time player and big time players have great
mass transit."You've just stated the real reason liberals
demand we spend ungodly sums on a worthless system that only a tiny cabal of
East Bench liberals will ever use -- foolish, unyielding pride.How
can they hold their heads up with their "progressive" buddies in San
Fran, NY, and Chicago if we don't have a dangerous, expensive, useless mass
transit system?We could save a lot of money by just buying all
liberals a latte and a new pair of Birkenstocks, rather than this horrendouly
expensive, totally unworkable toy train system.
I would tell Brave Robin the same thing that I did my students at a school for
the blind. "Never depend on others for what you can do for yourself."
I explained to them that while their friends had cars while they did not, cars
were a major expense. So when they did receive a ride to a class, etc. they
always offered more than just the cost of gas. I hope Brave Robin is using all
his good manners of reciprocation.I'm happy to see the train
running. Many times when I fly my children have busy schedules and I prefer to
rent a car. What a sign of progression and convenience. I can't think of
anything but positive about it.
Having willing friends to drop you off is one variable. Not wanting to have them
use a lot of gas is another. I've got a flight out on the evening of the
21st - the $2.50 it would cost to take this to the airport is less than the 2
gallons of gas it would take to have my wife drive me from Sandy to the airport
and her to drive back, and means she has to drive 45 minutes less (from south of
Provo to Sandy and back, as opposed to from south of Provo to the airport and
back.) It does not help all of us, but it helps some of us, yes. I do think Mr.
Webb was over-generalizing a bit, however. But probably accidentally.
I think it is great that Utah has the light rail to the airport. Salt lake has
entered the big time and it will be used. Salt Lake is becoming a big time
player and big time players have great mass transit. Back east, people ride to
the airport in droves in cities like Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia and DC. To
have this 'service' in the heart of conservatism speaks well of Utah.
"The program thus far is coming in at approximately $2.3 billion, UTA
said."Couldn't you run a lot more bus trips for that kind
of money? Why is it so important for UTA to be a railroad instead of a bus
company?When they opened the FrontRunner line to Provo, bus
schedules were reduced. Now just in time for this opening they have raised
fares. I am a frequent UTA rider but I'm not a fan of UTA management. In my
opinion the UTA is not operated for the benefit of the riders and
transit-tax-paying citizens of Utah, TrAX: the 'r' is
Re: "I don't think it was intended to hate on anyone."No one's suggesting UTA's elitist dismissal is born of hate. That
would require Jim to actually think about Utahns not living along the UTA track
lines.I have serious doubts he's spend the energy necessary to
do so on anyone he dismisses so easily.
@BS Robin. When I took my Family to Maui we parked off-site at L.A.X Having
"friends" is a variable. BTW, will you always have friends the chaffeur
you to and from Lindberg Field?
@BYU Track StarIf you can't find somebody to take you to the
airport then you need more friends. Does anybody honestly park at the airport
for any reason besides business travel? The only reason I'd even consider
parking at the airport is if the company is paying.
I grew up in Utah but have lived and worked in Asia and the Pacific for the last
decade. I have a daughter starting at the U this fall and it will be nice to
arrive in Salt Lake and take a train home without making her or one of my
brothers drive out to the airport to pick me up.
@BS Robin, If you have nobody to take you to the Airport, absent the
trolley, you have a several options 1.) Parking at the Hourly lot ($28/day)
30-day max or the economy lot at $9/day a 30-day max. 2.) taking an Airport
shuttle Probably about $10 or 3.) a Taxi, I guess about $20-$30. I'm
looking forward to it opening, it is cheap and it goes alot of places often. I
would assume the Taxi drivers who do the Downtown to Airport run aren't too
happy about the trolley coming on-line neither.
He could have meant out of everyone that rides the trax/UTA/fasttrack etc. the
majority will ride that line, or even that for most people who don't use
the public transportation, they will make an exception and ride that line. I
don't think it was intended to hate on anyone.
"The airport line is one that everybody is going to use."Oh
the arrogance of this statement. Well Jim, unless you get a law passed forcing
people to use your boondoggle, count me as one who won't be riding. Why?
Because I can have somebody drive me from downtown to the airport in about 5
minutes for less than $1 worth of gas. That's opposed to taking the train
for 20 minutes at a cost of $2.50.
Re: "'The airport line is one that everybody is going to use, whether
you’re an employee or patrons that ride for travel,' said UTA senior
project manager Jim Webb . . . ."Meaning that anyone not living
along the Wasatch Front is simply not considered in his elitist accounting of
"everyone."Why am I not surprised? We pay, same as everyone
else, but, since, in your mind, we don't exist, we'll never be able to
use the shiny new toy trains we bought you, Jim.