As a local attorney I am always amused by the anti-lawyer sentiment in society.
Everyone hates Lawyers (litigators) - but runs to one as soon as they have a
problem. Yes, we have bad lawyers among us who foster contention and take
claims with little merit. We also have lawyers to take on difficult cases, bill
a fraction of the time they actually spend and fight for poor clients. Many
lawyers do not see the inside of a courtroom, they help buy and sell companies,
work for government agencies, help inventors get patents, or prosecute
criminals.There too many lawyers in some places, too few in other.
There are also too many people majoring in psychology, gender studies and art
history. Your best bet to employment - engineering and computer science. Rather than sitting at home whining, the best among the unemployed law
grads will go out and make their own jobs. Relocate to an area which is
under-served and hang out your shingle. There are plenty of potential clients
who need help but cannot afford $200/hr. Will it be hard? yes. Can you build a
successful practice? yes. Will it happen sitting in Mom's basement
@ unemployed law grad - you have things completely wrong. After 20 years in
the profession I strongly recommend skip Harvard and go to the U or the Y -
great law schools without the 6 figure price.My advice to you
personally - stop whining and MAKE yourself a job. When I was in law school the
economy tanked and there were no summer jobs. A friend and I printed up a flyer
and went around to all of the small firms (5 attorneys or less) and offered to
do legal research and writing for them. Not only did it get us some work, it
peaked the interest of firms we interviewed with. Wow, a young attorney who
gets client development! There are plenty of firms that need help
but are not sure they have enough for something full time. If you work your
tail off, you will start getting work from a few firms. After a while one like
your work and will be convinced they have enough work to make you an associate.
You will also show that you are worthy of your hire.Alternatively,
sit at home and whine while your classmate gets the job.
re: Max 4/11 at 3:01aSo, Al Pacino in the Devil's Advocate was
wrong?We could always use more people to work on Wall St & in
"financial services" ROFL
This isn't good. Some lawyers go into politics.Why did Barack,
and Michelle lose their law license?
Let the loaning institutions suffer it out. It was their decision to get into
the student loan business with this generation. The government has no business
interfering with this problem.The country is in a mess beause of
government intervetion by well meaning politicians.
Reminds me of visiting my sister at Duke Univ about 20 years ago. I met a friend
of hers who was in the medical school trying to balance his studies and family.
I met another friend of hers in law school trying to balance family, and his
They seem to be the ones creating the mess we have to put up with in government.
Hopefully the good ones can help change our country around.
Re: Unemployed Law GradYou mentioned that even at BYU this stuff
happens. That is a sad story. I'm thinking that the legal profession
should do what the medical profession has done. Control the number of doctors
that are graduated each year. That way, medicine has been able to keep the
supply of doctors low and the demand high. With lawyers, one can graduate from
anyone of hundreds of programs throughout the country. Some excellent, some off
the back of a matchbook cover. Maybe make the bar exam so difficult that there
are only a small number of lawyers who can be liscensed to practice each year.
In any case, something has to be done. Our legal system is out of control and
The law school administrators these days are simply a bunch of crooks feeding at
the federal student loan trough. They never would be able to charge such high
$$$$ tuition for a degree that is getting more and more worthless by the day.
The lazy professors who work about 10 hours per week--I challenge you to show me
one who is even on campus for 20 hours per week--ae beneficiaries of the scam.
All this greed and laziness has come to a head and now maybe a few
heads will roll. Anyone who goes to the U or BYU law schools these days is just
wasting their time and throwing their money away. You need to go to Harvard or
Stanford law to even have a chance at making a living as a lawyer now.
America's demise was started by lawyers, or more particularly, by those who
believed they were "too special" for the common sense and wisdom the
very laws they were supposed to defend contained. Dishonest
lawyers: the only group of people, as a profession, that Jesus Christ mentioned
specifically in the scriptures in a chastising manner.Dishonest
lawyers: the poison in America's waters of freedom. Dishonest
lawyers: at the Federal level, they comprise 90% of our dishonest lawmakers in
the House and the Senate.Sue! Sue! Sue! It's the American
way!So.....do I feel bad that a lot of newly graduated law students
can't find a job?Nope.
Start working PRO BONO and help right the wrongs of the past 100 years!All you Lawyers need to get together and start defending anyone under attack
by Obama!Go after the ACLU as well. Once you prove yourself useful
and show you are not going to add to the problem then I'm sure you will
have many job offers.Until Monsanto and other corrupt giant
companies are out of business then you have a lot to do to better the world.Serve first and show you are not part of the problem!Get to
Unemployed lawyers? That's what I call PROGRESS!
We need more lawyers like fish need more bicycles.Lawyers do not
produce a single thing of value. They only redistribute the earnings of
others.Although the legal predators will insist otherwise, a large
part of the cost of health care, durable goods, and virtually any product made
or sold today is there to defend against inevitable lawsuits against any person
or corporations with deep pockets.And, if Hutterite above knows any
good plumbers who work for $9 an hour, I would like to get their names and hire
them.The cure to the glut of lawyers, and the problems of
impressionable youth who entered the field based on too many TV shows
glamorizing the field is to enact "loser pays" and end all the frivolous
lawsuits. That will also end the repulsive practice of settling baseless
lawsuits for big bucks as the lesser evil than going to trial and spending even
more to defend yourself and win.Instead of bright people going to
law school, we should encourage them to go to medical school, although the work
is harder, and the pay is much less.
HS Fan, you mean the way dems keep them employed fighting legal elections
in CA or litigating the 2000 Florida vote count, or hiding fast and furious
evidence, or protecting Obamacare?
The market has spoken. We don't need more lawyers. Major in something else.
We have way too many attorneys in our country right now. In general many
prosecuting attorneys are leaches trying to make a very large living off of the
rest of us. I know of one attorney firm that takes a 40% plus cut off of any
winnings they get. They drive around in nicer cars that what I could ever dream
of owning. I really don't have much sympathy for prosecuting attorneys.
What our country needs are many many many many fewer attorneys and a much more
honest and upright citizenry that doesn't want to sue the life out of
The GOP will put them to work to litigate Obamacare. That will keep them
employed for years!
re:HutteriteHow would you like to spend 100k on law school only to
end up making $9 an hour as an electrician? Yes sir that is the
'progressive future' for most college grads I am sorry to say. Say
goodbye to the good ole days when companies actually recruited at college
campus's. Now the 'only jobs' are Barack's government jobs
.... I guess perhaps they could grab one of the many new IRS jobs and start
suing all the 'non-compliant' Obamacare citizens. The only way young
people will finally 'get it' and understand socialism is a dead end is
if they keep graduating to unemployment and giant student loans.
Attorneys are so prolific they have their own section in the phone directory.
Hopefully some of these newly minted lawyers head to the trades; a good
tinbasher or electrician is a useful human being who will never be out of work.
I bet they all voted and expected something different!
Barack and Joe said we are well on the road to recovery...remember
'recovery summer' back in 2010? Yes most of these law students voted
for Barack so now they get to stand in the unemployment line ... or maybe fill
out a Wallmart application. Better still let Barack find them one of his
'shovel ready' government jobs that are so plentiful. Maybe next
election these young college grads will use their heads to vote rather than just
voting for a 'Joe Cool' empty suit.
JimInSLC - the institution that allowed the loans is our very own government!
They back the student loans and that is why they cannot be defaulted on.
It's a wicked web! Just like the housing crises I hope people have learned
that borrowing for school is just not worth it. You can wander into debt but you
can't wander out. Go to a school you can afford.
Well, there is the military JAG Corps. You won't get rich, but if I'm
not mistaken, they will pay your debt in return for some years of service.
Truth is, if grads from the top law schools in the country are having a hard
time finding work, then there are just too many lawyers in the country. Law (no
pun intended) of supply and demand.
"rural Americans are increasingly without lawyers," I haven't
heard any rural Americans complaining that they don't have more lawyers.I feel sorry for many of these new grads strapped with so much student
loan debt, which by law is inescapable. The institutions that loaned them so
much money should he held to account too.The US needs more
engineers, people that design and build things. More lawyers will only
contribute to the problem of litigation that the US already has.