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Published: Tuesday, April 9 2013 7:43 p.m. MDT

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Melanna
Salt Lake City, Utah

@mg scott
if the filibusterer fails those "bums" maybe the only thing left to protect your constitutional rights as is the case with those that are fighting back against prop 8. Being in the minority for a change can kind of change your prospective can't it?

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@mg scott
So how exactly would the judicial be able to protect the rights of the minority of they could simply be voted out by the majority? Those activist judges maybe end up being your last line of defense if the filibuster fails and once again I suspect you will be singing a much different tune. As Tolstoy already stated above there is a logical reason our system is set up the way it is.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Melanna
Salt Lake City, Utah
@redshirt
did I log into some alternate universe? Did a conservative poster really just ask why the people charged with defending our country really need to buy so much ammo and insist we need to have a national conversation about why they are doing so?

12:35 p.m. April 10, 2013

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Alternate universe -- Yes
..becasue SOME people insist the United States is their worst enemy,
and Communist China is our best friend (i.e., whatever's good for the bottom line, business partner).

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"If all those who want this gun legislation could actually show how this will help stop what the proponents actually say it will do, please step up and show me some evidence."

OK, have you noticed that many of the mass shootings are done with semi-automatic weapons?

Why not Fully Automatic weapons?

Isn't is likely that the reason is that they are not available for sale and have not been for a long long time?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Melanna" homeland security is not the department of defending our nation. That is the Military's job. Why does the DHS need all of those rounds? According to the DHS website, everything outside of border enforcement, they are just a go-between that gets the appropriate information to the right agency. So again, why do they need so much ammunition? If they have 1.6 billion rounds, why is it that the DHS says that they have an ammo shortage?

You have failed to answer the simple question of, what do they need with that much ammo? That is enough for each border patrol agent to have 72,000 rounds.

Again, since DHS's only responsibilities that they have where guns are needed is for immigration and border control, why so much ammo?

If you say they are doing other things, then again, why the redundant intelligence/military agency?

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@redshirt
why don't you tell us you where all for the DHS until Obama came into office.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Yes Red. Another bureaucratic government redundant agency created by the GOP with complete congressional control.

I seldom defend the Dems because I have said numerous times that they are big spenders and lovers of government. But I do point out the GOP is just as likely to do all the same things that you crow about daily on these boards.

Just like Medicare Part D and NCLB. Can you imagine the maelstrom had Obama and the Dems championed those programs?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Why doesn't John McCain just join his buddies like Harry Reid and become a Democrat? Geez - you can finally clearly see all the 'pretend conservatives' as they are finally unmasked. McCain needs to follow his fellow purple republicans like Bob Bennett into retirement. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and other conservatives are the only 'real' GOP members left standing. I would rather lose every election and stand as a true conservative than compromise with Satan and his progressive brethren.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@redshirt
from the DHS website "The department is designed to absorb several federal agencies dealing with domestic defense, including the Coast Guard, the Border Patrol, the Customs Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Secret Service, and the Transportation Security Administration (which was created after September 11 to oversee airline security). Its responsibilities include exploring ways to respond to terror attacks and working to better coordinate intelligence about terrorist threats. The department is also expected to implement much of the National Strategy for Homeland Security." so their only job is to secure our borders and protect us from terrorist attacks across the globe, i cant imagine why they may need ammo for that it must be a conspiracy.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Let me guess....Rush Limbaugh is telling all his dittoheads that the gubment is after their ammo. I can always tell what he's preaching without ever listening to him. Well, maybe not Rush. Maybe Glenn or another one of the conspiracy gang. The government is buying bullets! Who knew that FBI agents, DEA agents, etc. needed ammo!

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

I actually have been really happy with Senator Lee. Obviously he's not perfect, but I like that he is a man of principle (at least in politics, I can't speak for his personal life) and he stands up and fights for those principles. Also, I'm still not sure why we are even having a gun debate. Things are exceptionally safe in most of the country. I also still have philosophical issues with the idea that people can tell me how, when, and where I am allowed to defend myself. If you think you have some sort of right, legal or philosophical, to tell people that you have some severe narcissism issues.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "JoeBlow" who cares who created the mess. The previous administration was lead by a Progressive, he just wasn't as bold of Progressive as what we have now. Does it really matter where the bad idea comes from?

To "Tolstoy" again, why do they need 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition? How many TSA agents are armed?

You keep dancing around the problem, and the issue.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Re: Melanna and Kalindra

Either you two did not read my post or I really was not clear. I'm in favor of the fillabuster because it is done by elected officials who can protect the minority position. I hope it will work in this congress to stop as much of Obama/Reid/Pelosi as possible. I know that when Harry Reid becomes the minority leader he will also use it. That's fine with me. Keep the fillabuster. My point about judges is that only a few, sometimes only one, can make rulings that overturn the democratic process and with judges there is no accountability as there is with elected officials. Therefore if power to overrule the majority exists, if prefer it exist with people who can be accountable.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

I would like Senator Lee to temper his actions and comments against the Obama administration.

I understand it would be difficult to prove but I think their might be some retaliation in the form of program cuts to Utah and Federal facilities here in the state.

The dramatic cut in funding for the Central Utah Project would be one example.

DaveRL
OGDEN, UT

@ worf, well I'm a reloader so I don't have to buy tons of ammo, but in speaking to my local gun shop, yes there has been a run on ammo nation-wide, but it has been by paranoid gun owners and militia types who are creating the shortage.

@ Redshirt I have a long line of law enforcement (federal, state, county) and military in my family so some still active. I hate to bust your bubble but yes Homeland security did buy all that ammo....they did a mass purchase for all Federal law enforcement offices nation-wide. Just simple economics large purchase better price, saving tax payer dollars.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

Just a thought.

I wonder how much time and how many dollars it has cost the State of Utah to send it's numerous "message bills" to the Federal Government?

Would you expect the Federal Government to send a message bill back to Utah?

My opinion is our Senator Lee has been such a thorn in the side of the Federal Government that it is natural to have some push back from the Federal Government.

I wonder how this push back will manifest it self?

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

Senator Lee represents our Constitutional Republic with it's guarantee of individual rights for all US citizens.

Those who comment that he represents a fringe are in fact a fringe themselves representing the philosophy of the big-government/banking monopoly who want to take us back two hundred and 37 years to a time when the we were ruled by a monarchy in Europe.

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