@one old manIt's not the gun it's the person.Guns were pervasive before all these gun laws, and we did not have all these
problems, perhaps it would better to ask why?Progressive trying to
turn our country into secular "progressive" country has not been a good
Most Truthful and Patriotic: I wouldn't know. I am not a member of the NRA,
but you do make a point. They politizie every time they can. Shame on them for
doing it. All I do know is a child is dead, shot by his father. This is tragic
and sad to me, regardless of my political leanings.
The problem with gun control nuts is their short-sightedness.Are we
to believe this crazy man could not or would not have been able to kill a 5
month old without a firearm?Having more and more stricter and
egregious background checks all about taking guns away,all about
control,by disarming the the people.Where do background
checks end? Do we the people want government to be able compile lists of guns
and gun owners?Is not the 2nd amendment the people's check
against government?Do the people not have a right to self defense
even from the government?Already we stories of more and more people
being deprived of their second amendment rights,If you inherit a
gun you become a felon.If check yourself into mental hospital for
medicine correction your guns are taken away.If Your son has picture
taken with gun, or tells teacher they want own a gun, the parents guns are taken
away.During katrina, your guns were taken away, you could not
protect your own property! IF a child draws a picture of gun, makes
gun out of pop tart, or pretend having a gun, they are branded, punished,
The issue seems to have morphed into a gun debate. My take, I seem to recall
the Lafferty brothers doing another senseless crime without a firearm.
It's the person, not the weapon. Oh, cars killed some 30,000+ people last
year, maybe half involved impaired drivers. Need to control alcohol and drugs -
oh, we tried alcohol didn't we? Drugs seem to be gaining the upper hand,
so maybe we focus on the dramatic and unusual because we accept and even promote
the common more "accepted" means by which the foolish and evil wind up
killing others and sometimes themselves. A sad story about a very
sad person whose values and outlook led him to an act that caused a lot of
people a lot of pain. Maybe we should outlaw the precursors of his value system
- literature? Entertainment? Associates? Parents? All of which led him to
kill his son. Maybe it's just his fault and he chose to do this act and
should be held accountable for same.
mo, it's not hard at all for me. As a trained and experienced former law
enforcement officer I carried a gun to work for a long time. But how about
this: You say we have the right of personal security (life);the
right of personal liberty; and,the right of private property.." I agree. But how can you rationalize the way guns deprive so many
people of those three rights?Here's one for you. In 2011, the
FBI's homicide records indicated firearms were used in a total of 8583
murders.ALL OTHER weapons accounted for only half that number - or
4081.In a nation in which firearms are virtually unlimited, in which
almost anyone may obtain one (as it now stands) without any background checks or
required training, isn't continuing with the same madness simply
madness?Universal background checks may help stem some of that
storm. Responsible, properly educated people with good histories will still be
permitted to possess and use them. The irrational fear and paranoia being
spread by the NRA and others is nothing more than insanity. Arguing
that children may be killed in other ways does not lessen any tragedy.
A sad story brought on by a child having been raised in a violent society. Fifty
years ago we never heard of such violent acts against children. Society has
changed for the worse. This is a tradgedy for this family. Remember them in your
prayers. We live in the Last Days. Homeowners lock up your guns. Keep them out
of the hands of mentally ill people like this young man.The NRA has
nothing to do with these acts of violence. Gun safety and responsibles ownership
under the second amdndment is promoted first of all by the NRA.
I feel for the family in this tragedy. The whole emphasis on the tool used to
kill this little one is very misplaced. Far more children are killed by things
other than firearms in this age group, particularly with children being left
alone in bathtubs. The press ignores these reports as that it would frighten
mothers. However guns are considered evil. As others have said this depressed
and most likely drug addicted father would have done a similar act with some
other weapon or tool. FYI, reports from the CDC show that roughly
150 children ages 0-14 die from fire arms annually. Over 3,000 per year die in
car crashes because their parents don't properly restrain their children
Yet where is the public out cry like on this sight to stop the use of cars
because they kill children. More common household items are used in household
murders and suicides than firearms. Knives being the most common tool to kill.
Lets leave the mechanism alone but hope and pray for peace for this
@ old man I forgot your other question. How about and I know this is difficult
for you. "We hold these truths to be self-evident...all men are... endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. That to secure these
rights, governments are instituted among men." "What are
those unalienable rights with which we are endowed? They may be described in
many ways, but English jurist Sir William Blackstone wrote in 1766, ".these
may be reduced to three principal articles:"the right of
personal security (life);the right of personal liberty; and,the
right of private property.." And along came the Bill of RightsDoes that work for you?
Do you think this 5 month old would have been safe if his father had not owned a
gun? Of course not. This father would have simply chosen another method to
kill. This is not a gun issue, it is a mental health issue.
mo -- yes, Alexander Hamilton did write in Federalist papers # 29 that a
well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and
persistent training". Meaning people not guns!And, yes, it is
the people and not the guns who need to be regulated. So please explain to me
how regulating people who may obtain guns through a universal background check
and the types of weapons they may buy is regulating GUNS and not people?Again, you have fallen for the nonsensical raunchy rhetoric of the NRA.
To Midwest Mom & others:Guns are not any more “hazardous”
than the broom you push for cleaning your house. The problem lies with the user,
not the object. If you go off your rocker, break the broom in half and use the
sharp end on your family, it’s not the fault of the broom handle. Yes, we should “keep guns (and other weapons) out of the hands of the
mentally ill, felons, illegal purchasers, and others” but keeping them
away from everybody is not the solution. When government passes laws only
peaceable people obey, they are simply leaving those people at the mercy of
violent predators. While it is incredibly unfortunate this little life was
taken through this evil act, it is the fault of the father, not the weapon. If
it were your child, would you hate the gun and excuse the mentally incompetent
perpetrator because he felt this was the only “real” solution he
could comprehend? I think not.Place blame where it really belongs. Find
realistic solutions so the healing can begin. Don’t give in to knee-jerk
reactions that fall to an all-or-nothing mentality.
What a sad story - another one where an inocent human being is taken by someone
with mental problems whether depression, etc. He would have had to be mentally
imbalanced to ever consider killing a tiny baby...my goodness what he is going
to face when he meets with the Lord. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his
shoes. Shame on him for brutally taking this precious baby's life.
The sad thing is we promote the right to have guns in order to protect our
families, but unfortunately a far greater likelihood is the misuse of guns. The
statistics of death by guns of our children is horrendous. The use of guns that
kill our children via murder, accidental death, or suicide far out weigh the
times that guns are used to prevent murder. I adamantly disagree that having
more guns will add any measure of protection to our society.
leave out the negative people. I feel bad for this family and they need to be
healed. Rest in peace little one.
I have a hard time understanding how you people can exercise your constitutional
right to voice your opinion on firearms at a sad time like this. Now is not the
time to pound the table about your gun agenda.
What does it matter where mom is? Surely you didn't want a double murder
before the attempted suicide. A gun wasn't the only method he
could have used to harm his child and himself.
Midwest mom when is it appropiate to not have a gun or to have a gun. Is this a
day to day thing. The gun did not kill the person. The dad did. What if he had
stabbed the baby to death would you be clling for a ban on knives. Bad or sick
people do bad things. Until You and everyone that needs to get off their butts,
be the parent that is going help over come the failures in the home. Nothing
will stop the failures of a sick society. This includes me so I'm not
pointing fingers at anyone. No other success can compoinsate for the failure in
the home. We don't have the guts to blame bad parents, movies, the moral
decline of society, etc. It is soo much easier to just blame the gun.
@ old man . "WELL-REGULATED" as in the Constitutional Meaning, was in
common use during Revolutionary Times. It was "the property of something
being in proper working order." In other words, "well-regulated" was
"calibrated correctly" or "functioning as expected". NOT
REGULATING, OVERSEEING or LIMITING THE USE OF something. "Alexander Hamilton
in Federalist papers # 29 indicated a well-regulated militia is a state of
preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training". Meaning
people not guns!
Does anyone know where the mother is? I have no doubt this guy had reached a
level of depression that he thought the solution was to take his son with him
and go to Heaven. Of course, that is not reasonable and completely wrong, but
that's how people think when they are depressed.
Some people post only pure, unadulterated nonsense. They just don't get it.
How can anyone allow themnselves to become so deluded by the mindless propaganda
of the National Rifle Association and others like them?Show me
anyplace -- anyplace -- where God guarantees the right to guns. Then explain
exactly what the Constitution's writers meant when they included the words
"well regulated" in the Second Amendment.Some posts are
straight out of the NRA Playbook.As one person posted above, is the
only defense against an insane father with a gun a baby with a gun? That idea
makes no sense. And neither do the NRA's rantings.
BYR, that's right out of the NRA playbook: "Let's not talk
about this right now. You're politicizing it."When IS the
right time to talk about it, NRA? According to the NRA, the answer is
"never". There is gun violence every day in the US, committed by
people who should not have had access to guns -- and you want to stop us from
talking about every case. Police, DAs, judges, children, infants -- they are
all victims of gun violence.NO ONE is talking about taking away your
guns, mohokat. People DO want solutions to gun violence, and if actions
need to be taken to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, felons,
illegal purchasers, and others -- that's a GOOD thing.
Folks, lets not use this tragedy for our personal political agenda.
So ... the only protection from a bad dad with a gun is a baby with his own
gun?Gun enthusiasts would have more credibility if they would admit
that there are times and places where guns just don't belong, where guns
are hazardous and where guns are the problem.
@ Lifelong. Way to take a play out of Obamas playbook. Use a trajedy to
demogogue a way of life and yes a freedom and liberty guaranteed by the
Constituion and God. This senseless act would have happened with or without a
gun. Mine and yes your liberties and rights guaranteed by the Constitution are
not for sale or trade not even for one second of safety. Washington didn't
use his freedom of speech to defeat the British, He shot them!
There is a lot of things that can be done in a day, but at the end of the day
it's what you did that matters. We say the words I love you but Actions
speak louder than words.
Obviously we need more guns.
Access to free mental health care might have prevented another mindblowing
Tell me again about how important it is for all of us to have guns. Sad, sad story. When will we learn?