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Published: Friday, April 5 2013 5:50 p.m. MDT

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Lifelong Republican
Orem, UT

Tell me again about how important it is for all of us to have guns.

Sad, sad story.

When will we learn?

Sandy, UT

Access to free mental health care might have prevented another mindblowing tragedy.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

Obviously we need more guns.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

There is a lot of things that can be done in a day, but at the end of the day it's what you did that matters. We say the words I love you but Actions speak louder than words.

Ogden, UT

@ Lifelong. Way to take a play out of Obamas playbook. Use a trajedy to demogogue a way of life and yes a freedom and liberty guaranteed by the Constituion and God. This senseless act would have happened with or without a gun. Mine and yes your liberties and rights guaranteed by the Constitution are not for sale or trade not even for one second of safety. Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to defeat the British, He shot them!

Midwest Mom
Soldiers Grove, WI

So ... the only protection from a bad dad with a gun is a baby with his own gun?

Gun enthusiasts would have more credibility if they would admit that there are times and places where guns just don't belong, where guns are hazardous and where guns are the problem.

Woods Cross, UT

Folks, lets not use this tragedy for our personal political agenda.

Most Truthful and Patriotic
Layton, UT

BYR, that's right out of the NRA playbook: "Let's not talk about this right now. You're politicizing it."

When IS the right time to talk about it, NRA? According to the NRA, the answer is "never".
There is gun violence every day in the US, committed by people who should not have had access to guns -- and you want to stop us from talking about every case. Police, DAs, judges, children, infants -- they are all victims of gun violence.

NO ONE is talking about taking away your guns, mohokat.
People DO want solutions to gun violence, and if actions need to be taken to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, felons, illegal purchasers, and others -- that's a GOOD thing.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Some people post only pure, unadulterated nonsense. They just don't get it. How can anyone allow themnselves to become so deluded by the mindless propaganda of the National Rifle Association and others like them?

Show me anyplace -- anyplace -- where God guarantees the right to guns. Then explain exactly what the Constitution's writers meant when they included the words "well regulated" in the Second Amendment.

Some posts are straight out of the NRA Playbook.

As one person posted above, is the only defense against an insane father with a gun a baby with a gun? That idea makes no sense. And neither do the NRA's rantings.

Somewhere in Time, UT

Does anyone know where the mother is? I have no doubt this guy had reached a level of depression that he thought the solution was to take his son with him and go to Heaven. Of course, that is not reasonable and completely wrong, but that's how people think when they are depressed.

Ogden, UT

@ old man . "WELL-REGULATED" as in the Constitutional Meaning, was in common use during Revolutionary Times. It was "the property of something being in proper working order." In other words, "well-regulated" was "calibrated correctly" or "functioning as expected". NOT REGULATING, OVERSEEING or LIMITING THE USE OF something. "Alexander Hamilton in Federalist papers # 29 indicated a well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training". Meaning people not guns!

Rock Springs, WY

Midwest mom when is it appropiate to not have a gun or to have a gun. Is this a day to day thing. The gun did not kill the person. The dad did. What if he had stabbed the baby to death would you be clling for a ban on knives. Bad or sick people do bad things. Until You and everyone that needs to get off their butts, be the parent that is going help over come the failures in the home. Nothing will stop the failures of a sick society. This includes me so I'm not pointing fingers at anyone. No other success can compoinsate for the failure in the home. We don't have the guts to blame bad parents, movies, the moral decline of society, etc. It is soo much easier to just blame the gun.

Mchenry, IL

What does it matter where mom is? Surely you didn't want a double murder before the attempted suicide.

A gun wasn't the only method he could have used to harm his child and himself.

kearns, UT

I have a hard time understanding how you people can exercise your constitutional right to voice your opinion on firearms at a sad time like this. Now is not the time to pound the table about your gun agenda.

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

leave out the negative people. I feel bad for this family and they need to be healed. Rest in peace little one.

sandy, utah

The sad thing is we promote the right to have guns in order to protect our families, but unfortunately a far greater likelihood is the misuse of guns. The statistics of death by guns of our children is horrendous. The use of guns that kill our children via murder, accidental death, or suicide far out weigh the times that guns are used to prevent murder. I adamantly disagree that having more guns will add any measure of protection to our society.

Mount Pleasant, UT

What a sad story - another one where an inocent human being is taken by someone with mental problems whether depression, etc. He would have had to be mentally imbalanced to ever consider killing a tiny baby...my goodness what he is going to face when he meets with the Lord. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Shame on him for brutally taking this precious baby's life.

Fuaamotu, Tonga

To Midwest Mom & others:
Guns are not any more “hazardous” than the broom you push for cleaning your house. The problem lies with the user, not the object. If you go off your rocker, break the broom in half and use the sharp end on your family, it’s not the fault of the broom handle.
Yes, we should “keep guns (and other weapons) out of the hands of the mentally ill, felons, illegal purchasers, and others” but keeping them away from everybody is not the solution. When government passes laws only peaceable people obey, they are simply leaving those people at the mercy of violent predators.
While it is incredibly unfortunate this little life was taken through this evil act, it is the fault of the father, not the weapon. If it were your child, would you hate the gun and excuse the mentally incompetent perpetrator because he felt this was the only “real” solution he could comprehend? I think not.
Place blame where it really belongs. Find realistic solutions so the healing can begin. Don’t give in to knee-jerk reactions that fall to an all-or-nothing mentality.

one old man
Ogden, UT

mo -- yes, Alexander Hamilton did write in Federalist papers # 29 that a well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training". Meaning people not guns!

And, yes, it is the people and not the guns who need to be regulated. So please explain to me how regulating people who may obtain guns through a universal background check and the types of weapons they may buy is regulating GUNS and not people?

Again, you have fallen for the nonsensical raunchy rhetoric of the NRA.

Go Utes, CA

Do you think this 5 month old would have been safe if his father had not owned a gun? Of course not. This father would have simply chosen another method to kill. This is not a gun issue, it is a mental health issue.

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