With the swimming and rugby programs under a shadow, there is a lack of
leadership somewhere up the chain, as in the AD's office. Quibbling about
whether or not the university's rugby team was affiliated with the
university is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Just the tip of the iceberg--"ute rugby" needs full investigation like
swimming--similar problems to all the Greeks as few years back. All kinds of
violations. If it smells, there is a reason . . .good luck Mr. Hill with this
massive PR problem. Not good to have all these problems at the flagship
Whew, good thing. Now Ute fans might be able to go back to treating the Rugby
program like it is actually associated with the University of Utah again. Some
of them were actually believing (and declaring on these comment boards) that
Utah Rugby was the equivalent of an intramural frisbee program.By
the way, that WAS a good one.
The bad thing is that all the players suffer for the actions of a few or the 1.
Punish those involved not the whole team.
Good and Bad Examples: We see it all the time, like some kids at some schools
(College & Universities) are getting just a slap in the hand and still play.
What does that show, other kids think it is okay doing stupid things and still
be able to play. So, something got to fix now or more worse things to come. We
don't know the whole story here yet and stay tune till next week.
Call me crazy, but I plan on waiting until I have more information on the issue
before gracing you all with my all-important verdict...
I hope we get some clarity on this situation soon. Utah Rugby has had a proud
tradition and has represented the University of Utah with great athletes and
teams over the years. Lets hope they can get back to that tradition asap.
Sad times for rugby fans of both schools for sure. But even so, this too will
pass and hopefully clear heads will prevail in the end. There's always a
rainbow after the storm so don't despair. I'm sure things will work
out one way or another.Good luck to all involve!
If the drinking had occurred in the Utah football program, Whittingham would
have suspended the one offending player for one game against a D-1AA team, and
then welcomed him back with open arms.Unfortunately, the Rugby team
doesn't generate much revenue, so it's easy to throw the entire team
under the bus because of the inappropriate behavior of one or two players.
A Tale of Two Programs, the best of times and the worst of times...The contrast between BYU Rugby and Utah Rugby couldn't be greater this
week. While BYU fully embraces its Rugby program, to the point of
arranging live streaming of BYU Rugby matches, the Ute are doing everything they
can to disassociate themselves from their Rugby program.One program
looking forward to challenging for another National Championship.One
program being decimated by its own administration and spurned by its own fan
"One of the things that was out there publicly, they were identifying
themselves in some instances as affiliated with the University of Utah,"
Sterling said. "They were prohibited from being affiliated with the school.
That’s part of the suspension."So the University of Utah
claims that Utah Rugby isn't affiliated with the school, yet the school has
authority to discipline, suspend or expel Utah's Rugby program from the
school???Is anybody really buying this?
All other infractions aside, I'm just really disappointed we didn't
get to watch the game with BYU that was supposed to be tonight.
The University of Utah Recreation Department and the U of U's Communication
Director need to read their own Sport Club manual before making official
statements. According to that manual the three degrees of punishment to a club
that violates the rules are: 1) Probation; 2) Suspension; 3) Expulsion. To quote from the Recreation Services memo dated March 23, 2013:"As stated in the Rugby Club Expulsion memo, dated June 18, 2012, terms of
suspension included the following:""Expulsion of the RC from
the Sport Club Program...is effective immediately.""...Campus Recreation Services and the University of Utah are extending
suspension...for a minimum of three additional years, effective
immediately."Not sure why there's talk of 3 years or 5
years. It Is clearly 4 years from 6/18/2012. When such serious actions are
taken, they need to know what they are talking about. Such cavalier attitudes
are having a profound effect on the lives of more than 35 young men who just
want to play rugby. They had nothing to do with whatever took place, yet they
may never get to play rugby again during their college careers.WHICH IS
IT, EXPULSION OR SUSPENSION?
I agree with the comment that if it was only one kid the entire program should
not be expelled. But something tells me if the university is considering
expelling the program, the infraction involves more than one kid. I'm sure
we'll hear soon enough.
@utefan23If it is not sanctioned by the university, and has no
affiliation with the university, then how can the university "suspend"
it? All they would have to say is "we have nothing to do with it so we have
no comment on it". But that is not the case now is it?I'm
really not sure how you guys can think the universities own rugby team, that
they do sanction and obviously govern, is not affiliated with the univeristy,
especially when it is the university that is handing down the punishments.LOL!
To all you Zoobs out there, please remember that Utah Rugby is a club sport! Not
like BYU where it is school sanctioned. Chris Hill and the University has no
obligation or affiliation with this issue.
The pride of U of U sports, having poster children of anti Honor Code
behavior.And then you have the "fans" supporting such
'choice' issues. Priceless.I'm waiting for a nice
P.R. release from the U sports media bunch. If it comes will the rugby team be
an officially recognized sport by association or not? Divorces can be messy.Never a dull moment for 'drama' from the kids 'on the
hill'.I love my WCC conference affiliation with an independent
football twist and of course, my little church school world that goes with it!
Guys, guys this is a huge black eye for the university of utah athletics and the
pac 12. Responsible disciplinary action being taken on a team that's
technically part of the intramural program, for as yet unclear reasons?
It's the only thing they're talking about on ESPN.
Ironhide, I would hate to be your child. First off, BYU has rules against
drinking period. I understand the U infracted upon their probation, but it
seems there was some grey area in regard to the initial sanctions. When one
individual compromises a program, usually the individual is punished and not the
entire club or team. Was this the case with Brandon Davies? If I remember
correct, it was. Punish the kids responsible for the infraction and let the
rugby club live.
Not funny, but ironic that one of the infractions is the rugby team's
desire to closely associate itself with the university, while U fans were
falling over themselves with comments on another article desperately distancing
the club from the university.So, which is it?
Oh my. They broke more school rules after being put on probation for breaking
rules. Uptight? Let kids be kids? They might as well spit in the
administrations face. Yeah, the world needs more entitled, no respect for
authority punks. Please tell me you are not responsible for the rearing of any
young life. Your as bad as the annoying homer Y fans that believe they should
get every break and that any matter not going their way must be some sort of
Amen to that. Let the kids play!
Unless they broke some laws? They broke the U of U ones. That should be enough.
I guarantee if this was BYU students you would be all for punishing them more.
Let kids be kids seriously. Some of you people are too uptight. Unless they
broke some laws, there should be no punishment.