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Published: Thursday, April 4 2013 1:00 p.m. MDT

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Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Redwing:

You wrote;
"Eternal life is far more important than winning some petty, temporal, political arguments."

I agree 100 % with you. However, I say is not important (at least for me) to win or loose an argument. But being able to express yourself and learn from others how you/they perceive God in ourlife.

The problem, from my point of view is that our religious and political lives don't need be inconsistents . Yet we see inconsistencies. I'm reminded of the words by John.
1 john 4:20 "Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen".

When in our self righteouness we condemn other brothers or sisters because they don't live our same life style, or don't believe what we believe. We consider them not good LDS or whatever....it just shows how human and weak we are.

If we are Democrats, Republicans,or whatever, we should be able to put that sectarianism notion aside for the well being of our country.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

It's offensive that they would use their religion label to push politics. Could you imagine the uproar, especially in Utah if LDS Republicans did the same thing. "I'm a Mormon and Republican" or "LDS Republican".

Typical do as I say and not as I do.

jmason
San Diego, CA

I'm active LDS, a temple rec holder, and I am a registered Dem. I accept that being a Democrat and a Mormon occasionally presents problems for a believer, but so does being a Republican and a Mormon (pre-emptive war, tax cuts for the rich, reverence for wealth, lack of charity for immigrants, etc., etc.).

For me, it's not a question of which party aligns with the Gospel, because neither do. I would guess that both the Repub and Dem parties are an offense to God, and far from the Zion ideal. So for me, it's a question of which party is LESS offensive--to me, not to you. It's a choice between two evils. And for me--as a believing Mormon and descendant of Hyrum Smith on one side of my family, and pioneers and church leaders on the other--that party is the Democratic party. But I'm perfectly fine and happy that a majority of the people I sit with, say, in High Priests Group meeting on Sunday have come to a different conclusion. It's okay.

jmason
San Diego, CA

To LDS who challenge me with, "How do you reconcile being a Dem with being a Mormon also"...well, I generally do not answer. I might just as easily flip the question and turn it back on my interlocutor. But what would be the point? Of course, to any who are genuinely interested in dialogue and understanding, I am happy to open up with.

Krista Cook
Marion, IN

As I explain in my blog series entitled, Why Mormons are Conservative Republicans, I do not think it is possible to be a Democrat and a Mormon in this day and age.

I'm a 7th generation Utah Mormon, although I do not currently live in Utah. Also, I hold a Ph.D. in government and taught as a professor, in political science departments, for about ten years. (My health does not currently allow me to work full-time.)

My blog series is a reasoned analysis. There is no partisan, emotional rhetoric in it. Just Google my name and blog title and you will find my series.

jmason
San Diego, CA

Hi, Krista Cook,

There are other people (Hugh Nibley, for example, a well know Democrat), just as qualified as you, who have looked at the question and come up with a different answer. My wife (though she is an artist and not a political scientist or anything like that) was born into a European socialist democracy, and would probably today identify as a socialist (she votes Dem). We sometimes return to her country or origin so she can get healthcare that is available to her there that is not here. She is mostly amused at the penchant of some of her LDS brothers and sisters who tell her it is not possible to be a Dem and good Mormon (She will usually say something like, "Well, I am proof you are wrong," and then smile). I say she is amused, but sometimes--for example, during the 2008 election--it was alarming to her.

Rick2009
MESA, AZ

Maybe its time we dump both parties since they are basically the same now.

jmason
San Diego, CA

In the context of this article and comments, the following Hugh Nibley quote is interesting:

"Nothing is easier than to identify one’s own favorite political...convictions with the gospel.... If my ideas are the true ones...to oppose them is to play the role of Satan. This is simply insisting that our way is God’s way, and therefore the only way. It is the height of impertinence." - Hugh Nibley

Starbug
Alpine, UT

Interesting Krista Cook, there are LDS Democrats in the leadership of the Church. Leadership on all levels including General Authorities, there always have been also. I think that the Lord knows that they are Democrats but still called them to serve in the highest offices of his Church. I guess that you know more about it then they do right?

Just because your blog contains "reasoned analysis" and "no partisan, emotional rhetoric" doesn't mean that you are correct or not mistaken, or that you aren't writing with a specific agenda.

Krista Cook
Marion, IN

It is evident to me that people making comments about my comment have not read my blog series. I've already addressed their points in my blog and won't address them in this forum.

People claim to be of one party or another but when you analyze their ideology it is often different than the label they claim for themselves. This often results from family tradition.

Looking at voting records of Mormon Democrats usually reveals they vote more Republican than most Republicans.

Krista Cook
Marion, IN

I checked my blog and the series has had no hits since I posted on this forum. So, none of you are criticizing my actual ideas.

Since I wrote my blog the Salt Lake Tribune published an article in December 2012 entitled, "Top Mormon church posts dominated by registered Republicans."

Here are some quotes:

Eleven of the 15 apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — including LDS President Thomas S. Monson — are registered Republicans, according to public records obtained by The Salt Lake Tribune.

The other four did not affiliate with any political party when they registered to vote and none of them voted in this year's Democratic primary. All 15 voted this November. . . .The four politically unaffiliated apostles are the governing First Presidency's second counselor, Dieter F. Uchtdorf; and David A. Bednar, Quentin L. Cook and D. Todd Christofferson, of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles...Uchtdorf — who was born in the Czech Republic and only recently became a U.S. citizen — did, however, register as a Republican to vote in the primary this year and then changed his registration back to unaffiliated.

Jeff
Temple City, CA

I hold a PhD in literature and languages, am a registered Democrat, and am an active, believing Mormon.

Principles of the Gospel exist in the party platforms of both major US parties. For those of us who have lived outside the United States for any amount of time, we understand that in the global sense, the US political parties have inconsequential differences between each other, and our adherence to them is more an expression of nuance than any serious philosophical differences. We also understand that principles of the Gospel exist in a vast array of political traditions throughout the world.

I knew an elder on my mission who was from Europe. In a guarded, private conversation, he confessed that he was a member of the Socialist Party in his country, but he could never tell a Utah Republican that because the Utah Republican would have acted in a very un-Christian manner toward him.

Let us, by all means, seek the nuance we're most comfortable with, and preserve our adherence to the Gospel even in the midst of political disagreements. Besides, political diversity is good for the Church, and politically diverse Mormons are good for their respective countries.

Starbug
Alpine, UT

Actually I did look at it, I wouldn't call it a scholarly analysis, at least not compared to others that I've read. There are a lot of statements in there that don't seem to be backed up. It is an opinion piece, it is broken into about ten different categories so it is easy to read. The LDS Church is a worldwide organization. There are members in countries that have a variety of different political systems. You can be an active faithful LDS person and be a Democrat at the same time. The Liberal perspective can be justified with scripture and doctrine as easily as the conservative perspective can be. You can easily find both on line on numerous blogs if you look. Also, to the commenter who said that the Democratic party is built on abortion, not true. Most LDS Dems view on the subject is the same as the LDS Church's. Late term, is only done in emergency situations, the SCOTUS ruled on this years ago. It is only done to save a life and even then it is still the Mother's choice. There are other choices btw, like adoption!

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

PAC, if it seems to you that members of the church are being divided, it isn't the Democrats (or the Republicans, for that matter) who are doing it. It is the choice being made by the individuals themselves. It's called "agency". Now, the reason I choose the party I do is not because it "pushes" this or that thing certain belief groups don't like. It is that I, or you, do not have the right to tell others not of our faith or belief system what they should think is right or wrong. Nor can we say with certainty if certain things are or are not so, what will or will not be necessary in someone else's life, and who does or does not have the last word on what God does or doesn't want besides Him. Until we get a giant helping of humility in not only our leaders, but in the rest of us, there will be these unfortunate divisions. The parties are simply convenient scapegoats.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Krista,

You have obviously gone to great lengths to show that the LDS church leaders are not "democrats".

Does that prove your point?

From a religious standpoint, you may be obsessing with things that don't matter.

Me? I think it is best to leave religion out of politics. And vice versa

sashabill
Morgan Hill, CA

With the majority of the world's Mormons now living outside the United States, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to make a uniform judgment as to where Mormons would (or should) fit into their respective political systems. I have my political and moral perspective (and reasons why I personally do not feel welcome in the Democratic Party). Nonetheless, I would not presume to make across-the-board political judgments for Mormons in Great Britain, India, Germany, Ukraine, the Congo, South Africa, Brazil, Japan, Indonesia, or New Caledonia. Being in the "hip pocket" of one political party in the US will not do us much good when it comes to going forth "boldly, nobly and independent," and witnessing for Christ and the Gospel in the far corners and reaches of the earth

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

I read that list and no one really knows who the General Authorities, their wives, or families, vote for, even if their voter affiliation is known. And, frankly, it is nobody's business. That's what is meant by a secret ballot. One may, if one wishes, share that information. But even declaring support for a candidate doesn't guarantee the actual vote, does it? For all we know, the entire Bush family voted for Ron Paul in '08, or maybe even for President Obama...or Alfred E. Newman! My point is, there is a place in time when an individual's contribution to democracy is truly personal. And none of yours, mine, or anyone's business.

Tahoemormon70
Bountiful, UT

This article has a lot of pomp and circumstance trying to gain support but it lacks credible evidence as to how the democratic party is good for Latter-day Saints and what LDS members can gain by being a part of its empty handed endeavors. When I was on my mission, I found out that my mission president was in fact a demo and my jaw just dropped and shattered into a gazillion pieces. I thought how can somebody who has been entrusted to be an example to missionaries and members subscribe to such liberal views that contradict church principles and doctrines? When he came home and became a stake patriarch, I again thought how can someone who dances with the political and oftentimes religious/spiritual adversary be entrusted to give members one of the most sacred blessings in their lives? He seems to agree in small amounts with conservative views but I wonder how willing to cross the line he remains.

Clifton Brown
Sequim, WA

@Tahoemormon70: keep pondering and wrestling with that question...it might take a few years, but you might eventually have an earth-shattering revelation and realize that a lot of what you "knew" to be true is actually not true at all. You might have an experience or two that makes suddenly makes it all very clear to you how a mission president and patriarch can be a liberal as well. Even if you never come around to accepting his political beliefs, you might at least have a deeper appreciation for why good people can have significantly different points of view.

I know of what I speak here. As a young return missionary, I was about as conservative as they came. But time and experience has changed my perspectives considerably and I now identify as a pretty liberal Democrat - a change that would have shocked me to my core had I known 20 years ago that this is where I would be today.

HBZion
Salt Lake City, UT

I was raised to be a good member of the LDS church and democratic party. My grandparents and parents have shown me the way. I will continue in our independent and thoughtful traditions.

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