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Published: Thursday, April 4 2013 1:00 p.m. MDT

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Bridger
Midway, UT

FairchildIV- This issue is not about minor policy disagreements. The LDS faith views elective abortion (which accounts for 87-92% of abortions) as murder and an absolute moral wrong. Gay marriage for the LDS faith denies those caught up in its practice some of the most fundamental reasons why we live on this planet. Homosexuality deeply and eternally injures the practitioner and influences others to fall down the same rabbit hole. The Democrat war on religion (all over the nation religion is being pushed out of public discourse) stifles wholesome morals (yes a single-minded statement, but we're taking about one group's beliefs). Governance by force is again disharmonious to LDS doctrine ("teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves" is laughable to the Liberal mindset of complete regulation and forced tolerance/acceptance).

Again, these are not minor policy disagreements. Liberalism, which has become synonymous with Democrat, is a whole philosophy that does not agree at its core with LDS doctrine or principle.

Web Geek
Lehi, UT

@FairchildIV,
I listed fiscal concerns as well as social. Democrats haven't passed a budget in 4 years and Obamacare is the worst fiscal policy. I don't agree with democrats or republicans on immigration, I support the Utah Compact. But there are some issues that I cannot just turn a blind eye to - namely abortion, gay marriage, and gun control. If democrats really want me to join their party, then they have a long way to go.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

I find it beyond comprehension that the most liked posting contains the following statement.

" ..., honors (albeit quietly) Pol Pot, Mao Tse Tung and other mass murderers as somehow enlightened and worthy of our praise--..."

The ignorance approaches infinity.

bw00ds
Tucson, AZ

@FairchildIV I would issue a challenge to you to tell me how "an active mormon can agree 98% with democrats." If I could agree 98% with Democrats, then I should be a Democrat instead of a registered Republican. And I say "registered" Republican because I do not even agree with the Republicans 98% of the time, so how could I as an active Mormon possibly agree with the Democrats 98% of the time?

I guess here's the (apparent) 2% that I don't agree with the Dems:

*Gay marriage *abortion *controlling people's lives (does this ring a bell?) *taking away moral agency, like found in Obamacare (does this ring a bell?) *hostility to religion *more taxes *more regulations *gun control *name-calling *supporting and allying with dictators *cutting national defense *wanting open borders *welfare in all of its forms *etc. etc. etc.

So please tell me, what exactly is the 98% of the Dems policies that I as an active Mormon agree with?

BTW, I've asked the Utah LDS Dem caucus president to please tell me how their views align with the church's doctrine and how I as a faithful Mormon could join them. He never answered me.

Lonster
Sandy, UT

Perhaps those who say their LDS "values" could never allow them to be Democrats can explain how some of their general authorities past and present belong to that party.

Wonder
Provo, UT

PAC -- you may not be aware of it, but there actually are LDS members who are currently Democrats. And as one, I for one, am tired of know-nothing members who try to impose their political beliefs on me by implying that the Republican Party is some holy, devinely inspired political party. The day the church publishes something that tells me I must become a member of the Republican Party (instead of their current statements that say there is good to be found in both political parties) will be the day I think you are something other than out to lunch.

gee-en
Salt Lake City, UT

William Gronberg,

You did not really specify what exactly you think is ignorant about whom, but reading between the lines I think you are confused why conservatives are upset at liberals for praising such "mass murderer" leaders. If you do some research, you will easily find many in the current administration that have indeed praised such "leaders" as Mao, having praised him in public and written glowing papers on him. Also, there are stories about a Christmas ornament on the white house tree with Mao's likeness...
Exactly who is ignorant about what?

Rick2009
MESA, AZ

I don't vote republican nor do I vote democrat. Both parties leave much to be desired when it comes to gospel principles of following the constitution, being self reliant, less government intervention and electing righteous non communist leaders.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

All this focus on how much other members accept some member's political views is reminiscent of seeking the praise of men.

We aren't judged by our political party, nor should it matter what other members think. The ONLY thing that matters is whether our political views are calculated to build up the Kingdom of God or not. I've learned that the more committed I am in keeping the commandments, the less I care about what people think of my doing so.

Republican
Democrat
Conservative
Liberal
Etc, etc, etc...

None of those mean very much. What's important is our willingness to follow our Lord and our prophets.

Free exercize of religion
Marriage
Family

While not popular, these things are the most fundamental for us to remain a free people yet so many members of the church are being lead away by false doctrines of the world. Why are people lead away? I suspect a great deal is because so many are concerned with how they are viewed. Well, isn't that what these organizations are all about?

Start worrying about whether you're promoting the Lord's commandments, not whether it's accepted to do so!

Ophelia
Bountiful, UT

I'm an active LDS member and also a Democrat. The people I confide in most are also Democrats. We visit together, share ideas, and find comfort knowing we're not alone. However, I must agree, it's lonely and often downright depressing to be held in such low esteem amid Mormon congregations. I do believe, however, that there are more closeted Mormon Democrats than most realize.

Regarding abortion and gay marriage, if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one. The Republican's platform of no abortion even in the cases of incest and rape is unconscionable. And if you don't believe in gay marriage, don't marry someone gay. Simple as that. Do we believe in free agency or not?

viejogeezer
CARLSBAD, CA

Why am I a Democrat? Because of the teachings of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Nephi, Mormon, King Benjamin, Moroni, Jesus, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Spencer Kimball, Bruce Mckonkie, Boyd Packer, Ezra Taft Benson, and James Faust.
Why am I not a Republican? Because Republicans treat people who are black, brown,red, yellow, poor, female or disabled as somwhow less than they are.

wYo8
Rock Springs, WY

They should make dingy harry their honory leader. He can tell them how to lie and say anything to get elected. How to evolve with his principals by which way the political wind is blowing.

CJS
Sykesville, MD

Its awesome that LDS Republicans append an imaginary asterisk every time the LDS Church emphasizes that it does not endorse political parties or candidates. The First Presidency says every election that "Latter-day Saints as citizens are to seek out and then uphold leaders who will act with integrity and are wise, good, and honest. Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political parties." LDS republicans seem to think this is said tongue in cheek and that Ol' Prez Monson elbows Eyring and they have a hearty laugh afterwards.

Mormons are instructed to vote on issues and people. The democratic party is about more than abortion and gay marriage. Republicans are about more than tax cuts and big guns.

TL;DR, I'm a Mormon Democrat and I still hold a temple recommend.

RCS
Orem, UT

My hope is that their efforts can help radically reform the Democrat Party away from such radical positions as supporting abortion including late term and partial birth killing, same sex marriage, expanded government, spending out of control, and so on. Good luck. I'd say that those who voted for Obama can see what that has brought America (or perhaps they still can't see it).

Rick for Truth
Provo, UT

Forget about the contrasting and polarizing issues of morality, sodomy, drugs, guns, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, or blaming conservatives of wanting dirty air or outright destruction of the environment, in the past 40 years, I cannot remember a single Democrat who ever sought, professed, accomplished, or even pursued a single real tax cut. I have a hard time finding a single occurrence of a real spending reduction. 17 Trillion in debt is an Obabanation beyond any belief to assume a fancy button or slogan could ever ever make me consider becoming a Democrat.

There were two plans presented to God in the beginning, Obama's policies and actions mirrors the plan rejected by 1/3 of the hosts of heaven, the Democrat party appears to provide evidence for the hypothesis that some of them may have slipped through into this, the second estate.

morganh
Orem, Utah

The LDS Church is against same-sex marriage, against abortion on demand, teaches their members to be self reliant and fiscally responsible. Our current administration supports same-sex marriage, and abortion on demand. They are not fiscally responsible since the Democratic Senate has not passed a budget in more than 4 years. Obama's version of self reliance is for the government to take care of you. All of this goes against my LDS beliefs, so I won't be switching to the Democratic Party anytime soon.

CJS
Sykesville, MD

"Latter-day Saints as citizens are to seek out and then uphold leaders who will act with integrity and are wise, good, and honest. Principles compatible with the gospel may be found in various political parties."

It's awesome how LDS Republicans assume this is said tongue in cheek, and that they know what the prophets REALLY mean when they say the church is politically neutral.

TL;DR: I became a Mormon Democrat by serving a mission, attending BYU, and when I voted Democrat, they let me keep my temple recommend.

Starbug
Alpine, UT

I think that its a positive thing that LDS Dems are organizing and getting involved in the political process. In fact all LDS people should be glad that other LDS people are contributing. After reading the comments I realized how mis informed many are about LDS Dems. You can be an LDS Dem and you don't have to agree with every issue. In fact most LDS Dems view in abortion is the exact same as the LDS Church's official stance. On SS marriage it is a civil issue, LDS people have the proclamation and that doesn't change, even if ss people can unite under the law. If anything is strengthens our families as it causes us to teach tolerance and non judgement. Those two issues are always brought up when there are so MANY others. B4 you start judging LDS Dems find out how they really think, you might be surprised that you agree on more than you disagree on, I am sure that commenters will go off on what I've said. This disconnect, not finding any common ground is indicative of our current politics, find common ground and make compromises rather than just bicker!

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Do you LDS Democrats want the Party to continue as it is going? Namely, going total secular huminist liberal? Or would you like to influence it to become more moderate like it used to be? I'd like to know before questioning your choice.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

It would be quite interesting to make a parallel between the teachings of the gospel and the political parties. I have done it and I move more and more to the left. To the point of not being able to understand how a sincere Christian can be a Republican.

The Republican party and their obsession with attempting to force us to do what they think is right, instead of letting our free agency govern our lives, looks more and more like the plan of you know who.

Democrats and Republicans are very close in their political and socio-economic agenda. If we wanted real difference we would have more political parties i.e. Communist, Socialist, Social Democrats, Libertarians, etc. etc.

I declare myself a Democrat, not because I consider it the best party. But, because I think of it as the lesser of the two evil.

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